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Bleach revisions.

KuuIchigo

KuuIchigo

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Quilge Opie

Attack Potency: No changes | Town level (Able to fight and overwhelm Ichigo in fullbring shikai) | Town level, possibly City level (He can't take Ichigo in fullbring bankai in this form and doesn't damage him, he was able to damage Urahara)

Speed: High Hypersonic | At least High Hypersonic (Keeping up with fullbring shikai Ichigo) | At least High Hypersonic (Can fight Ichigo in fullbring bankai for a bit)

Durability: No changes | Town level (Able to tank shikai Ichigo's attack) | Town level, possibly City level (He gets overwhelmed against fullbring bankai Ichigo, but is able to take hits from him hence possibly)

Key: Base | Quincy Vollständig | After absorbing Ayo

Uryü Ishida
Attack Potency: No changes | No changes | Unknow

Durability: Multi-City Block level, possibly Town level (Was able to tank Ulquiorra's attacks) | Multi-City Block level, possibly Town level | Unknow (Fought Almighty Haschwalth offscreen and survived the night. Hachwalth said he was inconvenienced by not having his usual powers but to what extent he was affected is Unknown)

Key: Pre-Timeskip | Post-Timeskip | Thousand Year Blood War Arc

Yhwach
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ with Sub-relativistic Reactions (intercepted Mimihagi at close range )

Key:True Power

Yamamoto
Attack Potency: Country level via power-scaling (Yhwach is the only Quincy strong enough to handle Yamamoto's bankai, Also should not be weaker than Hitsugaya)

Durability: Likely Small Country level+, Country level with sun armor

Key: Bankai

Zaraki
Attack Potency: At least City level (Killed Unohana at the end of their training)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+

Durability: City level (Tanked Unohana's attacks)

New Key: After training with Unohana

Retsu Unohana
Attack Potency: At least City level, possibly higher

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ via power-scaling from Yamamoto

Durability: At least City level, possibly higher

Rukia
Attack Potency: Likely Multi-City Block level | City level via power-scaling to Renji with City level environmental destruction

Speed: At least Hypersonic+ | No changes

Durability: Likely Multi-City Block level | City level

Key: Post Time Skip | Post-Royal Guard Training

Renji
Attack Potency: No changes | City level (Presumably matched Bazz-B offscreen)

Speed: At least Hypersonic+ | No changes

Durability: No changes | City level

Key: Post time Skip | Royal Guard Training

Jüshirō Ukitake
Attack Potency: At least Town level, possibly City level via power-scaling from Shunsui

Speed: At least High Hypersonic, possibly Massively Hypersonic+

Durability: At least Town level, possibly City level via power-scaling from Shunsui

Shinji
Attack Potency: Town level | At least Town level with mask | At least Town level

Durability: Town level | At least Town level with mask | At least Town level

Key: Pre-Timeskip | Hollow Mask Pre-Timeskip | Post-Timeskip

As Nodt
Attack Potency: At least Town level | At least Large Town level via power-scaling from Mask

Key: Base | Quincy Vollstandig

Bazz-B
Attack Potency: City level (Offset Yamamoto's Flames with his own) | At least City level | City level

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ | No changes | No Changes

Durability: At least City level | At least City level | City level

Key: Base | Quincy: Vollständig | Post-Auswähle

Mask De Masculine
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ | Massively Hypersonic+

Key: Base | Quincy: Vollständig

Cang Du
Attack Potency: Town level | Town level

Speed: High Hypersonic | High Hypersonic

Durability: Town level | City level (Tanked an attack from Haschwalth)

Key: Hitsugaya's Bankai | Base

BG9
Attack Potency: Town level | At least Town level with Sui-Feng Bankai

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ | Massively Hypersonic+

Key: Base | with Sui-Feng Bankai

Bambietta Basterbine
Attack Potency: At least Town level | At least Town level | At least City level (Superior to the other Female Sternritter)

Durability: At least Town level | At least Town level | At least City level (Shrugged off a direct hit from Bazz B)

Key: Base with Komamura's Bankai | Base | Quincy: Vollstandig

Candice Catnipp and Meninas McAllo
Durability: City level | At least City level

Key: Base | Quincy: Vollstandig

Giselle Gewelle and Liltotto Lamperd
Attack Potency: Town level | At least Town level

Durability: City level (Shrugged off direct hits from Bazz B) | At least City level

Key: Base | Quincy: Vollstandig

Kisuke Urahara
Attack Potency: At least City level, Unknow with Bankai

Key: Bankai

Ulquiorra Cifer
Attack Potency: At least Town level | At least Town level, City level with Cero Oscuras | City level

Key: Base | Resurrecció | Resurrección: Segunda Etapa

Coyote Starrk
Attack Potency: City level (Able to fight evenly with Shunsui, albiet casually) | At least City level (Took on Love, Rojuro, Ukitake and Shunsui. Was fighting evenly and was able to hurt Shunsui)

Durability: City level (Fought on par with Shunsui, tanked his bushogoma) | At least City level (Tanked multiple attacks from Love and Rojuro. Also tanked attacks from Shunsui)

Key: Base | Resurrecció

Tier Harribel
Durability: Likely City level (Survived attacks from Aizen)

Key: Resurrecció

Gin Ichimaru
Attack Potency: At least City level (Is at least superior to Starrk)

Ichibe
Something I found while digging in some old threads is this for Ichibe's speed (Mach 3995.332).

Aize and Ichigo
Also, should Aizen's and Ichigo's transcendent form and their form (True Shikai and Chair Aizen) speed be scaled to Ichibe's? Also would like opinions on this one too.

Others
Yushiro and Nemu placed at Unknown AP and Durability.

Ushoda Hachige durability MCB normally, at least town with barrier.

Swapping Kensei, Rojuro Otorobashi, Love Aikawa and PePe stats around.
 
About Quilge, so we not gonna scales him to Candice(sorry my bad, not from giselle)and urahara? since he can hurt urahara? also As I say Unohana bankai can be scales from Kenpachi, since she can temporarily keep up with him, and I not sure about Aizen speed scaled to Ichibe, although ichigo Melded Hollow Form should, in fact by feat he should be faster that Ichibe(heck I belive he should be Sub-Relativistic, But I will wait until he get better feat)

The rest I currently still thinking about it.
 
Seems fine: Off topic the odb has rated ichigo mhs since the SS arc based on this calc (could someone fix the link plz) and i was wondering should we do the same?
 
Well if his pre timeskip stats mhs, then we must discuss whether or not to upgrade a ton of Relevant person's that scales to him...
 
@Jim. When did Quilge hurt Urahara? And about the speed, I'm still thinking. He can be scaled since Yhwach sent him to fight Ichigo, but only because he thought Ichigo couldn't escape from Quilge's jail. So I don't know if he is relevant or used as a fodder. But then we would have to scale Ginjo and Ichigo too.
 
Hmm. Could you link the whole fight? It's late here and I'm on my phone so it's kinda hard to do stuff. Getting ready to sleep too. I will have to get back to you when I wake up.
 
I don't think that is enough to be upgraded. Anyway, it seems it's only going to be the two of us. I'm going to go sleep and check back later.
 
Sora'sOther said:
Seems fine: Off topic the odb has rated ichigo mhs since the SS arc based on this calc (could someone fix the link plz) and i was wondering should we do the same?
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I doubt this would ever be accepted here as it involves scaling Ichigo to post-time skip characters, which althought he was still stronger than in the SS arc, the verse had drastic speed increases in the final arc, making it inconsistent with pre-time skip feats if we were to scale it. Also its been a while since i checked the calc, but i believe it was largely contingent on the distance between the seritie and the soul palace, which we have a much much higher value for than the OBD which is why we have Yhwach rated so much higher than them. So all in all the calc isn't consistent with what has been accepted on the wiki so wouldn't be accepted.
 
I double checked the edits on Aizens profile a few days ago. His current form is already scaled to ichibei (I know because there was only one mhs+ feat before the change to Giselles calc, that being ichibeis) So that's fine. He should scale, anyway.

Another question would be Whether Dangai ichigo and monster Aizen should scale to ichibeis speed. (Just noticed this was in the OP, facepalm. But I do think they likely scale.) Unfortunately I don't have the time to sit through and read all the comments in detail but I agree with the OP's suggestions
 
As for Quilige I don't really know, maybe rating him small city level?

As for Grimmjow and Unohana, i believe that they are both MHS+. Unohana is the second oldest captain and should easily be more powerful than the bambi fodder. She was also able to fight against Kenpachi for a short amount of time once he awakened his true power without the eye patch, when he had easily cut Gerard's arm off in base with the eye patch on. Grimmjow was able to land a suprise attack on Askin, who is easily MHS+ who is litterally dozens of times faster than mach 29 so would be improbable if he wasn't at least in the same ball park.

The transendant forms should be significantly superior to Ichibe in all aspects and should dwarf him in speed. They easily scale to him. True shikai Ichigo however is more difficult to guage as we haven't really seen his speed in comparrison to Yhwach's since he's been more or less toying with him. However considering that Ichigo will have to defeat Yhwach by the end of the series, i'd hold off on the upgrade and wait for the likely sub-realvistic rating he would likely get by defeating Yhwach.
 
I suggested Quilge to be town level and not higher because he is only able to fight and damage fullbring shikai Ichigo who is town level. He isn't able to fight against fullbring bankai Ichigo and gets overwhelmed but he was able to take a few attacks, hence possibly city level durabilty.

True Shikai Ichigo to be scaled to Ichibe's speed was because Ichigo is most likely going to get sub-rei in a different form. So either he scales or he will stay at the one he is at now.

But all of this can be waited until Aizen has return from his holidays and is able to check all of this.
 
Volundox said:
As for Quilige I don't really know, maybe rating him small city level?
As for Grimmjow and Unohana, i believe that they are both MHS+. Unohana is the second oldest captain and should easily be more powerful than the bambi fodder. She was also able to fight against Kenpachi for a short amount of time once he awakened his true power without the eye patch, when he had easily cut Gerard's arm off in base with the eye patch on. Grimmjow was able to land a suprise attack on Askin, who is easily MHS+ who is litterally dozens of times faster than mach 29 so would be improbable if he wasn't at least in the same ball park.
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This, and the fact that she is the first generation of captain that once beat the Sternritters 1000 years ago is enough proof that she should be at least as fast if nor superior than bambi fodders.
 
Ooo. I just remembered that no one calced the feat where Hitsugaya stopped one part of the city from falling in bankai mode.
 
Yeah... I asked it to be checked in the new calculation thread. If it is an upgrade for Hitsugaya, I'll also add it in here too.
 
Rating Quilge at town level is complete nonsense considering that would mean he's a fodder to the female Sternritter and it's heavily implied he's one of the stronger members. Also, it's implied that it was he who beat the hell out of Tier so he's at least a city-leveler.
 
Actually, all of them except maybe Bamibietta and Candice should be downgraded to 7-C. I'll update the post.
 
Tivanenk said:
Rating Quilge at town level is complete nonsense considering that would mean he's a fodder to the female Sternritter and it's heavily implied he's one of the stronger members. Also, it's implied that it was he who beat the hell out of Tier so he's at least a city-leveler.
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tier harribel? it's Yhwach who do that?
 
Shit. They damaged a Zaraki who is small country level... I guess a weakened one should be the 7-C right? I don't know. I'll just say 7-C.
 
No. We'll do it when all of this approved. Because post skip Zaraki is 7-C while Hirako is 7-B. I doubt that Zaraki is weaker than Hirako. So he should be able to scale.
 
Found more thing to discuss:

-Zaraki Kenpachi

Durability: At least Town level (Survived an attack from Komamura's Shikai and Tosen's attack with little injuries, was also able to deflect a Cero from Nnoitra with his bare hand) | At least Town level, likely higher | Small Country level+, likely higher | Country level

Key: Pre-Skip | Post-Skip | Shikai | Bankai

His shikai not give him any durability boost, just AP.


-Candice Catnipp

Attack Potency: City level (Was able to incapacitate a weakened Kenpachi Zaraki) | At least City level (Galvano Javelin possesses enough power to cancel out a Getsuga Tenshō from Ichigo)

Key: Base | Quincy: Vollständig

Her base should be Town level, but her Vollständig should we little bit scales her from ichigo True Zanpakuto?
 
I have already said it countless times and i will say it again..... there is no reason for Hirako to be City level.
 
Jim, I would appreciate it if you can find any faulty stats or scaling and post it here. We might as well change them all. I updated the thread. I know we should wait until Bleach ends, but that may not even be soon.
 
@Kkapoios. Okay. Could you also list anything that you don't agree? I might as well make this a Bleach revision thread.
 
Ikr. Just goes to show that if we don't check out the HST's profiles, they have inaccurate stats everwhere. I want them to be as accurate as possible.

Unless you guys think we should just wait for Bleach to finish before doing any of this? I don't mind either way.
 
Just curious, is kenpachi At least 7-C is from fullbring arc? or before he get power up from get beaten over and over again from unohana?

KuuIchigo said:
Unless you guys think we should just wait for Bleach to finish before doing any of this? I don't mind either way.
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No, Just try to do it now and let see if we can clean their stats.
 
Let's see

Hirako should be Town level via powerscaling from the other vizards.He didn't really damage Aizen and casually defeating an one armed Grimmjow isn't enough to put him at City level.

Uryu's stats need a lot of fixing.His usuall stats (before the war) weren't impressive at all.

Why are Orihime's shields rated as Town level?

The top 3 espada are rated City level for a technique they have never shown.

Royd Lloyd didn't remotely match Yamamoto in any way.Their fight was just talking a cople of fail attemps from Royd's part to do any harm to Yama and finally Yama one shoting him.

The royal guard members being rated as Island level without any good justification.

Yoruichi and her brother are rated as City level+ for damaging Askin a character with no real durability just a weird form of immortality/Regenerationn.
 
1. Agreed.

2. Okay. I'll check this when I wake up.

3. They were able to withstand Nnoitra attacks.

4. Hmm. They should be able to use it.

5. I have to re-read the fight.

6. I guess they can be scaled to Yamamto's 7-B? I don't think they should be much weaker. I think they were scaled to Zaraki's small country level, but was downgraded to island level.

7. Yes. They should be at unknown.
 
What about Orihime? Shouldn't she be upgraded to at least MHS+ country level for blocking Yhwach's attacks?
 
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