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Misc Digimon Revisions: The Return

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This is to be a quick revision with some downgrades and upgrades for Digimon.

Grimmon Downgrade
The Digital World is a Hierarchy of Worlds, so depending on the level at which the Digital World is being threatened, the level of feats changes. With characters related to the Four Holy Beast, Seven Great Demon Lords, Royal Knights and the like, it is already considered that we are talking about the Digital World in its 10D nature, or upwards.

With Grimmon we have nothing to show exactly that it is threatening "god territory" or something of that level and in fact this is one of the only Digimon feats that specifically addresses a single Digital World server, then this Digimon should not be 1-C.

Dark Area Speed
As many of you may already know, Dark Area is one of Digimon's Voids. It is a void without time or space, to which beings who have been erased from existence are sent. Dimensional space is consumed by the Dark Area and erased, time does not exist and for beings outside the Dark Area any moment in the Dark Area is like no time outside it.

In general the Dark Area fulfills all the requirements determined on the Timeless Voids Standards page. However, as non-Dark Area characters face Dark Area characters, there is a lot of complaint about that. So I just want a discussion about what to do about it, some suggestions include:

  • 1) Seeing as they follow the Void Guidelines, Infinite Speed stays for them.
  • 2) We change them to [insert evolutionary stage speed here], possibly Infinite
  • 3) Infinite Speed is removed.
I like the second option because it comes to terms with another detail that we will discuss now.

New Digimon Physiology hax
Basically Digimon has a physiology that guarantees many powers, which includes now:

  • Self-Sustenance (Type 1): It has been shown many times that Digimon can exist without having to breathe, especially in Digimon Tamers it is explained that some Digimon may need to breathe not because it is a necessity, but because they believe and so the world interprets that they should be drowned.
  • Law Manipulation: As already explained, in Digimon is a recurring theme that reality can be manipulated by digital beings just as we change the programming of a computer. Basically Digimon can rewrite reality, which includes the laws of reality (It was something much said by Suedo). They already have "Reality Warping" because of blog scans, but the scans also say they have "Law Manipulation", but for some reason we don't put that. I just want to add this so it doesn't look like you had a selectivity with the powers in the same scene as they were revealed.
  • Immortality (Types 1, 3 and 4): It has been said that Digimon are eternal, non-aging and able to regenerate their wireframes which means that they have a certain level of Regenerationn immortality. The latter is due to the fact that they "resurrect" themselves into new Digitamas, something that exists but is not applied in combat.
  • Biological Manipulation Resistance: Digimon are entirely composed solely of Digicore, which is its true essence, and the Wireframe that protects it. They usually have no organs, blood or any other biological component of living things like humans or other animals
And with that there is one more thing I would like to discuss, which is a page about Digimon Physiology. As you may have noticed in Digimon there are many recent revelations that alter all franchise profiles, such as the revelation that Digimon are actually primordial souls, metaphysical beings, etc. And in these revelations often new standard powers for all Digimon are revealed, as recently in Cyber Sleuth when it was revealed that all Digimon can rewrite reality (In fact any Digital being can do this) or in the Digimon Pendulum Artbook that revealed that all the Digimon has, at least, Low-mid Regenerationn.

Right now there's more than 300 pages in Digimon Category, now imagine that whenever a new revelation about Digimon physiology is revealed we have to revise all 301 profiles to put something new, even if it's a tiny thing (Like Regenerationn from the Digimon Pendulum artbook).

I believe that if we make a general Digimon Physiology page and link it to all profiles and after that we just have to revise it because a change to it would already apply to all Digimon profiles, that would save us a lot of time in the future.

ReArised Forms
Call it Realize, Realise, Rearise, Re:Digitize or any other name. As already explained Digimon are primordial souls from before the creation of our universe. They are metaphysical beings who normally do not interact with our world. However sometimes they interact and this can be the result of two things. Either the Physical World goes digital, having all of its physical laws destroyed to make room for the more complex Digital World, or the Digimon are manifested in the Physical World by a real body that just follows their true digital essence.

That is, usually the Digimon are not interacting with their true forms when they are in the human world. So to make the battles fairer, it is proposed that we will be using the Digimon in both their physical and digital forms depending on which one makes a fight fairer. There is already a note about this on the franchise page, but I think the best place for it would be on the Digimon physiology page that I proposed (I also don't think we discussed this in a CRT before, so I think this is the best time)

And of course, having this notion and that the way humans observe the Digimon is just a limited form of what they actually do, I think it's a good basis for not influencing the speed of the Dark Area natives and using the second option as we will use real or digital forms.

Tl;DR

  • Downgrade Grimmon into High 2-A;
  • Deciding what to do about Dark Area natives speed (Maintain infinite speed, use a speed variation from x up to infinite, or just erase this);
  • Add Law Manipulation, Immortality (Types 1, 3 and 4),Self-Sustenance (Type 1) and Resistance to Biological Manipulation into all Digimon profiles
    • or discuss the creation of a page focused on Digimon Physiology that will replace the hundreds of revisions in all franchise profiles because of a new addition to the nature of Digimon because of a new book or game.
(I allready created a prototype of what could be a Digimon Physiology page).

About the scans, they are already in the Digimon Physiology blog.
 
I agree with this, also a Digimon Physiology page would work.

I'll see what others say about the Dark Area.
 
Also, the link is now fixed. Thanks for letting me know (And thanks for Sixo helping me with the link)
 
The main thing that we really need to discuss is the DA speeds as this will affect a lot of profiles. And isnthe most controversial as everything else is pretty cut and dry.
 
Ah, there is one thing I do want to add to the Revision table. We need to add Karma to the SGDL pages.
 
Of course, let's not assume that in a battle, Digimon will just flat out start law haxing everyone lol.

Also, we still need to discuss the Dark Area stuff. So, I'll wait for some people to start contributing to that.
 
Eh, if I'm being completely honest, giving it even a possibly is giving it too much credit. Of course, lore and the like is important, but you really have to sometimes wonder if you're taking some of it too much to heart and more than it really is. Like, sit down, and think to yourself if it's really consistent for the franchise for DemiDevimon to be infinite in speed for any reason.
 
You realize we could use that same argument for Immeasurables and such right? I mean, you like never see any of the God Tiers move at Immeasurable speeds.
 
Like, how are we taking it too much to heart? The Dark Area perfectly fits our standards.

  • Type 3: "True" Voids: Voids that are stated to be timeless and are explicitly shown to be such. They have many properties that would come with timelessness to the extent that it is undeniable they would qualify for Infinite speed. Examples: The Void Beyond in Final Fantasy XIII-2 and the Dark Area in Digimon.
 
Again, missing the point. Standards be darned as the franchise itself takes far more precedence than our standards. The franchise itself doesn't have these Dark Area Digimon as untouchable speed demons either in lore, gameplay, or in story. God tiers get a pass because duh.

Frankly what I'm saying here should be applied to more franchises.
 
Honestly, I am staying out of this one personally. I'll let the majority decide here. I am not in the mood to argue things like Infinite Speed and such.
 
If Devimon/Piedmon has infinite speed and Angemon/MagnaAngemon can fight Devimon/Piedmon, does that mean that Angemon/MagnaAngemon has infinite speed?

How do you know which Digimon are natural inhabitants of the Dark Area?
 
On the subject of Law Manipulation, basically anything can be Reality Warping and all that we do is put specific things in when something is specified, here are the scans.

"The real world will feel the effects of the Digital World as Digital Shifts continue! It will be a complete merging of the real and the digital! Think of what will be possible when that happens! It's not a question of "what" will be possible! Any and all things will become possible! It will be possible to modify the real world at will! Like overwriting a program in the Digital World! What do you think, Arata ? This is power! You can rewrite programs that would modify the very rules of the world in real time"

To me it seems to be clearly Reality Warping with Law Manipulation properties

I'll talk later about the whole speed thing, I think that this need to end
 
The linking to a single "General Digimon Digimon Abilities" seems like a good idea.

Im not sure about the Grimmon Downgrades, because its able to hold its own against endgame Koh and Sayo. The chrono core was also able to overpower a Royal Knight and a Great Angel and take control of them.
 
We can go on and Make the Digimon Physiology file.

ChaosGallantmon and Ophanimon form those games aren't the Corrupted Royal Knight and Three Great Angel variations.
 
If everyone is fine with the page then I will just update the project with more information and publish it.

About speed, my opinion on this is kind of simple. First you can't be sure what the real speed of Digimon in the Digital World is. Remember that the measurements we make using Digital World scenes or Digimon profiles are mostly small ways of understanding a Digimon (The Digital World has more dimensions of space and time than the Real World) that simply work in the RW and not in the DW.

I do not think that Pico Devimon is infinitely faster than any Digimon, but his original nature as a being of darkness that in Digimon is the nothings, void without time or space from a conceptual world of metaphysical nature, outside of the "beyond space-time" feats, these are one of the few feats that is only that high because of what the Digital World is and really can only be used inside of that mindset, outside of this I think that the infinite speed for them is a no.

So I think putting a division for "conventional" speed in the ReArise forms and Infinite in their true form makes more sense, since it's something that can only be discussed within the Digital World and we have no physical parameters for those forms that can really be measured in it, except for the Tier 2 and Tier 1 feats.

But of course, I see a problem with that as it would be the only case where a non-God Tier Digimon gets some status, other than Hax, due to its nature from some world (In this case the Dark Area), which is something that doesn't seem to be done unless it is with characters who definitely work with it like Tier 2 or higher.

I honestly thought the reason they still had infinite speed was that I remembered that there was a rule saying that characters native of a True Void can maintain their infinite speed as long as it's not scales to characters that they don't share the same physiology, or have no other feats to use as a base
 
Based on what you said, I say just axe Infinite Speed to be safe (Of course Infinite Speed via Metaphysical forms is an option). Although, would they keep a resistance to Time Manipulation?
 
Resistance to time manipulation is a nice compromise, but I can't stress enough that we shouldn't overthink everything. Some things are more simple than we're letting on.

This is mostly directed to Ex, not Dragon. And this isn't an insult or even criticism. Just a bit of advice friend to friend.
 
There is no point in making a new thread. I am bumping this thread as it seems the Dark Area discussion can continue. Going by our current standards, nothing in truth contradicts Infinite Speed Dark Area natives.

-They are natives to an accepted timeless void.

-They consistently traverse their world as well.

By all means, they should be allowed to be infinite speed assuming our standards stay the same. I want more input.
 
I still think it would work better if they only had infinite speed if they're actually born in the Dark Area. If I have a Guilmon and he digivolves into BlackGrowlmon, he shouldn't have infinite speed when he's never set foot in the Dark Area.
 
We already take that into account Henry. Why do you think Jimi KEN's Devimon never had Infinite Speed?

This only goes on species profiles, not Tamer files.
 
Why would we bother with these specifics. The BlackGrowlmon stats are for those who live in the Dark Area. It's more than possible for a BlackGrowlmon to simply move to the Dark Area and live there.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Why would we bother with these specifics. The BlackGrowlmon stats are for those who live in the Dark Area. It's more than possible for a BlackGrowlmon to simply move to the Dark Area and live there.
Because there are just as many digimon who will digivolve into Dark Area natives and never set foot in the Dark Area (in their entire lives) as there are digimon who are born in the Dark Area.
 
That really doesn't matter. A Dark Area native is a Dark Area native regardless. There is no difference in the abilities or physiology of a BlackGrowlmon who was born in the Dark Area than one who never set foot in it. They are still nonexistent entities who are capable of living in the Dark Area and moving there as per their species.
 
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