Jenny Wakeman vs Son Goku

Sirius_The_EM_Troll · May 21, 2016

Both combatants lose to Geo Stelar apparently, neither have any significant hax, and both have fairly exploitable weaknesses (SSJ3 is taxing, and Jenny has a much more vulnerable interior than her exterior.). Seems like a fairly even match.

This is Buu Saga Goku vs Jenny Wakeman, if you can't tell

Speed Equalized

To the death, both characters are willing to use any strategy or trick to win, but otherwise in-character.

Neither have knowledge of the other.

Fight takes place on Cybertron, and there is oxygen there before we get into that argument.

Goku Super Saiyan 3

Sirius_The_EM_Troll · May 21, 2016

I know this is my thread, but I'm gonna give this to Jenny.

Assuming Cell can destroy the SS, Gohan beat him with half his power, give or take, that takes 22.4 Foe, and multiplying that by 2 is 44.8, and Goku as a SSJ2 is around 4x stronger via word of god, making him 179.2 Foe to Jenny's 389.4, so he's less than half as strong as Jenny.

Plus, while Goku is likely the superior Martial Artist, Jenny isn't a total noob at H2H and she's more skilled at using her weapons than Goku is at using Ki, since her weapons show more variety and there's too many to count.

Goku's weakness in using SSJ3 would also immediately come into play, while Jenny would need to be broken apart

And she could always planet bust, but I doubt she would do that early on, since she doesn't know Goku's weakness there.

IMO Jenny wins 7/10, Mid-Diff

Sirius_The_EM_Troll · May 22, 2016

LTB2000 · Jul 20, 2016

Goku wins this with IT kamehameha. If cell, who was stronger than goku and is on the same tier as goku, can have his torso blown up by the IT kamehameha, then goku can do the same thing with anyone in the same tier as him, not to mention Jenny's hand to hand combat is inferior to Goku, who trained his entire life, compared to a 4 year old robot. Also, since it is fight to the death, Goku can use destructo disk to cut her in half, giving him the win easily. Also, Goku is a genius when it comes to use his ki, like when he used 2 ki blasts to distract frieza, or when he used the kamehameha wave to propell himself towards his opponents as a kid.

Cropfist · Jul 20, 2016

Jenny for reasons above. (inb4 another testbot sock).

Promestein · Jul 20, 2016

LTB2000 said:
If cell, who was stronger than goku and is on the same tier as goku, can have his torso blown up by the IT kamehameha, then goku can do the same thing with anyone in the same tier as him

The gap in power between Goku and Cell was MUCH smaller at the time, and not to mention Cell was suppressing his power anyways. And, also, the gap from the top and bottom of Solar System level is MASSIVE. Even a gap as small as this means Goku will have a lot of trouble doing anything.

LTB2000 · Jul 20, 2016

Cropfist said:
Jenny for reasons above along with being able to breath in space, meaning she could nuke the planet to let Goku suffocate (inb4 another testbot sock).

Jenny doesn't know that, read the OP.

Promestein: He can still use destructo disk to give him the win.

BruceTheBatman · Jul 22, 2016

Jenny for reasons above.

BruceTheBatman · Jul 22, 2016

LTB2000 said:
Jenny doesn't know that, read the OP.

Promestein: He can still use destructo disk to give him the win.

Destructo Disk isn't infallible, and Jenny could shoot, dodge or even just catch it.

LTB2000 · Jul 22, 2016

And goku can just use instant transmission and use it right there.

BruceTheBatman · Jul 22, 2016

LTB2000 said:
And goku can just use instant transmission and use it right there.

He's never done that against someone stronger than he is, so it's blind to assume he'd do it now. The same could be said for Solar Flare + Kienzan

LTB2000 · Jul 22, 2016

That doesn't mean it never works. And it's a fight to the death, so he'll have the Kienzan as one of his ideas for the killing blow.

BruceTheBatman · Jul 22, 2016

LTB2000 said:
That doesn't mean it never works. And it's a fight to the death, so he'll have the Kienzan as one of his ideas for the killing blow.

Every fight to the death he's ever been in he's never done that.

LTB2000 · Jul 22, 2016

Ok, Solar flare, IT, and kamehameha can help him with the fight.

孫悟空Son_Goku孫悟空 · Jul 22, 2016

I'm going with goku with the reason from ltb2000

Xanix · Jul 24, 2016

Hey LTB... aren't you a bit... biased for Goku?

Anyway, giving this to Jen w/ reasons above.

LTB2000 · Jul 24, 2016

I'm just saying the reasons as to how goku can win. And isn't her weapons her internal parts, so they aren't durable as her skin.

Aparajita · Jul 24, 2016

Solar Flare won't help, Jenny doesn't have traditional eyes and won't be blinded.

IT won't help, Jenny has internal sensors that detect movement.

The_real_cal_howard · Jul 24, 2016

Because she's metal, all around, her inside will be as durable as her outside.

Antoniofer · Jul 24, 2016

I'm going with Jenny: has more stamina, enought strength to throw a spaceship to the sun with easy, has some regen, and those only the ones that I remember; and like people from above said, there are some technics from Goku that doesn't work at all

PostmodernD · Jul 24, 2016

Jenny. She just seems to have better stats. I also agree that some of Gokus better combo properties are rendered moot by Jenny's properties.

LTB2000 · Jul 24, 2016

The real cal howard said:
Because she's metal, all around, her inside will be as durable as her outside.

No, it's stated that her internals are weaker than the outer part of her body.

The_real_cal_howard · Jul 24, 2016

Alright. I didn't know that. Thanks for the information.

BruceTheBatman · Jul 24, 2016

Jenny: 8

Goku: 2

I think this can be added now.

Aparajita · Jul 24, 2016

Pretty sure i voted on this... but Jenny. Idk what happened to all of my posts. For reasons above.

PATRICKLUKE1 · Jul 25, 2016

So is speed equalized in base? Or Goku at his strongest? I was thinking he could use kaioken to give him an instant boost of power and speed. But if speed is equalized no matter what I think Goku would take it with 7/10 diff. He still has instant transmisson which should make dodging weapons no problem and he's immense advantage in h2h would definitely be what edges him.

And having a lot of different weapons doesn't make her better then goku at using ki. I don't get how that is even a point. Goku and the rest of the z fighters cansplit apart, hold there ki still, bend and curve their ki and not to mention Gokus instant transmission gives him all the edge here.

Goku :

Greatly superior H2h combatant

Fighting genius

Instant transmission

Destructo disc

Jenny :

Cannot be sensed

Wide variety of weapons

Similar stats

Addressing the first point with the calcs (Quoting feature doesn't work for me or I'm a super noob so I'll copy and paste)

"Assuming Cell can destroy the SS, Gohan beat him with half his power, give or take, that takes 22.4 Foe, and multiplying that by 2 is 44.8, and Goku as a SSJ2 is around 4x stronger via word of god, making him 179.2 Foe to Jenny's 389.4, so he's less than half as strong as Jenny."

This doesn't work because it's made clear in the babidi arc that Goku>cell games gohan. Yes ssj2 is 4x stronger then ssj1 but I don't see where you get goku is 4x from gohan or whatever it is you meant. I might be confused.

See here http://www.***********.net/dragon-ball/459/8.

BruceTheBatman · Jul 25, 2016

PATRICKLUKE1 said:
"Assuming Cell can destroy the SS, Gohan beat him with half his power, give or take, that takes 22.4 Foe, and multiplying that by 2 is 44.8, and Goku as a SSJ2 is around 4x stronger via word of god, making him 179.2 Foe to Jenny's 389.4, so he's less than half as strong as Jenny."

This doesn't work because it's made clear in the babidi arc that Goku>cell games gohan. Yes ssj2 is 4x stronger then ssj1 but I don't see where you get goku is 4x from gohan or whatever it is you meant. I might be confused.

See here http://www.***********.net/dragon-ball/459/8.

I believe he meant SSJ3 Goku. SSJ2 Goku should roughly be about 1.25x stronger, IMO. Same league, one is simply higher.

That said tho, your reasoning is ok, but Goku is not going to IT the entire fight as it requires concentration.

It's also worth noting that Jenny is far stronger, far more durable, and would likely just dodge the destructo disk.

Antoniofer · Jul 25, 2016

Even if Jenny is struck by the Kienzan, that wouldn't kill her, and she can regen after that, so the Kienzan can't do much in this fight

LTB2000 · Jul 25, 2016

Goku can always do a Cooler returns and keep blasting her while she attempts to regenerate.

LTB2000 · Jul 25, 2016

@Bruce: He was able to use it plenty of times against kid buu, beerus and copy vegeta, I'm pretty sure he can easily concentrate during a fight.

The_real_cal_howard · Jul 25, 2016

I realized I didn't vote yet. Jenny due to better stats and has a counter to Goku's abilities.

Cropfist · Jul 25, 2016

That is now 7 votes for Jenny.

PATRICKLUKE1 · Jul 26, 2016

BruceTheBatman said:
PATRICKLUKE1 said:

"Assuming Cell can destroy the SS, Gohan beat him with half his power, give or take, that takes 22.4 Foe, and multiplying that by 2 is 44.8, and Goku as a SSJ2 is around 4x stronger via word of god, making him 179.2 Foe to Jenny's 389.4, so he's less than half as strong as Jenny."

This doesn't work because it's made clear in the babidi arc that Goku>cell games gohan. Yes ssj2 is 4x stronger then ssj1 but I don't see where you get goku is 4x from gohan or whatever it is you meant. I might be confused.

See here http://www.***********.net/dragon-ball/459/8.

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I believe he meant SSJ3 Goku. SSJ2 Goku should roughly be about 1.25x stronger, IMO. Same league, one is simply higher.
That said tho, your reasoning is ok, but Goku is not going to IT the entire fight as it requires concentration.

It's also worth noting that Jenny is far stronger, far more durable, and would likely just dodge the destructo disk.

The reason I'm giving it to Goku is since there is equal speed she shouldn't be able to react to IT. And as somebody above said keep blasting until she can't regenerate.

But if her Regenerationn isn't at least better then cells IT kamehameha should end the fight. And cell could regen from just a nucleus IIRC. She might be a heavier hitter but Goku has the combos.

PATRICKLUKE1 · Jul 26, 2016

Antoniofer said:
Even if Jenny is struck by the Kienzan, that wouldn't kill her, and she can regen after that, so the Kienzan can't do much in this fight

It's not neccesarily to end the fight but since it's supposed to cut through anything it should be able to get him closer to her weak points which are her insides

fandom_1069006J · Sep 20, 2016

fandom_1069006J · Sep 20, 2016

I have no idea where you got the idea that Jenny is more durable and powerful than Goku. First lets discuss Gokus durability. Broly destroyed a planet with a very casual attack, then he fired arleast 11 attacks that looked exactly the same. For those who think broly was holding back, then let me remind you that Broly has been tramatized from Goku's cry impulsively leading Broly to hate Goku. This means that Gokus durability is atleast 11 planets, or a little more than a SS. so even if we take out the King kai training that Goku did, Gokus durability would still be 22 planets in super saiyan 2 and 88 in super saiyan 3. Now lets talk about his True potential. Goku was about on par with Cell in the Cell saga. Cell was able to destroy a solar system. This means Goku can destroy about a solar system. If we take out the King Kai training Goku did, then that would mean Goku can destroy 2 SS in super saiyan 2, and 8 SS in super saiyan 3. This would make Goku more than powerful enough to destroy Jenny, and notice that I took out the 7 YEARS Goku trained. if I wouldve put the 7 seven years then Goku woud probably be in a Galactic or multi-Galactic level. Do not base what you guys think of Goku from his cover page because Goku is much more powerful than that.

The_real_cal_howard · Sep 20, 2016

Don't bump threads that are already concluded for one. Two, that's not how any of this works. None of that math has anything to do with our tiering system. Taking 11 planet busting attacks doesn't make you 11 times planet level. Even if it did, that's not even Dwarf Star level. Let alone Solar System. You completely disregarded the sun, which is a large part of SS busting (not to mention the space between, or that all of these characters you named are wayyy beyond planet), and you just stacked random multipliers on things, despite the fact that we don't use SS multipliers. Finally, the gap of Solar System is over a trillion.

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