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Sailor Moon vs The White Queen

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Having her dress attack with a billion (if necessary automatically fighting) spacetime erasing weapons.
 
bump, I guess?
 
Ow

Don't thnk Space-Time erasing weapon will work against moon, she took those kind of stuff from Death Phantom

Do WQ resist to Power Null? because Moon's main stuff is literally Negate all opponent's attacks and defense and Erase him.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Having her dress attack with a billion (if necessary automatically fighting) spacetime erasing weapons.
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Uhh...

if they literally erase space-time, why isn't she Low 2-C?

I'd like to hear some elaboration here, I don't know anything about WQ. XD
 
DarkGrath said:
Uhh...

if they literally erase space-time, why isn't she Low 2-C?

I'd like to hear some elaboration here, I don't know anything about WQ. XD
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Because small scale spacetime erasure counts as simple hax.

For more info on her I would recommend reading her profile, though I can point to some of the most important things once I'm at a pc.


The Causality said:
Ow

Don't thnk Space-Time erasing weapon will work against moon, she took those kind of stuff from Death Phantom

Do WQ resist to Power Null? because Moon's main stuff is literally Negate all opponent's attacks and defense and Erase him.
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The weapons also erase matter if that helps... That said, even if the hax is resisted they still do the normal damage of getting hit by a billion weapons.

Her curses have some anti-powernull. What has SM powernull shown to work on and how is it implemented in detail?

And keeping the WQ erased is the diffcult part...
 
DontTalkDT said:
The weapons also erase matter if that helps... That said, even if the hax is resisted they still do the normal damage of getting hit by a billion weapons.

Her curses have some anti-powernull. What has SM powernull shown to work on and how is it implemented in detail?

And keeping the WQ erased is the diffcult part...
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Don't thnik erase matter work to, she resist to that too It depend of the AP i guess, Moon is pretty high into 3-C, where is WQ? about the PNull, the profile say:

Sailor Moon's main power negates the opponent's attacks and energy and passes through defenses and barriers,. She especially Nullified Metalia's Power Absorption, Wiseman's Existence Erasure, Space Time Destruction, BFR and Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, Nemesis's Black Hole abilities, Void Manipulation, Absorption and even his Power Nullification, which is supposed to nullify all forms of power
~ Moon profile​
Can you explain about WQ erased?
 
The White Queen is powerful enough to solo an entire species of Galaxy level people and has a x256 stat boost (to all parameters). If SM isn't at the level of the WQ doing absolutely no damage a billion hits will pile up a lot of damage.

So SM only nullfies things while the things have contact with attacks inbued with her supernatural power?

See the immortality paragraph in her notable A/Ts section.
 
Moon scale to someone which created an Entire Galaxy sized Space-time continuum (the dimension is larger than the galaxy) + Pharaoh 90 who can move this Space-Time to collide and envelopp the Milky Way.

Yes Exactly (it should be noted that as her power is always like an aura, she null things from contact)

I'll check this, on my phone that's pretty hard.
 
So seeing how basically all of the WQ's attack erase spacetime and her being able to destroy galaxies (meaning erase galaxy sized chunck of spacetime), their unboosted forms would be about equal then.

Either way I wanted to point to some particularly interesting parts on the WQ:

  • As already mentioned, very good immortality (See: Immortality)
  • She can change the past (See: Rewriting The Timeline)
  • Her non-supernatural Charisma force even experienced warriors to submit (See: Charisma)
  • Can create lethal curses that she can adapt in order to circumvent powernull and that will automatically hit the opponent (See: Curse Creation)
  • Has access to an information source that knows about everything that ever happened (See: Accessing the World's Knowledge)
  • Can have one of her hairs enter the opponents body. That has uses for Soul Manipulation, but she can also have it directly mess with the brain in a physical fashion (See: Hair Manipulation)
  • Her full power disrupts supernatural powers around her (See: Disrupting Spirtual Powers)
I think those are the most relevant things for now.
 
Mary Ann resists pretty much every ability you can think of... but is power null one of them? I don't remember something like that being mentioned in the novel.
 
Ionliosite said:
Mary Ann resists pretty much every ability you can think of... but is power null one of them? I don't remember something like that being mentioned in the novel.
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Nobody said she resists power null? I mean, her curses have some feats in that regards, but not she herself.

I don't think that contact type powernull alone will win SM the match, though.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Ionliosite said:
Mary Ann resists pretty much every ability you can think of... but is power null one of them? I don't remember something like that being mentioned in the novel.
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Nobody said she resists power null? I mean, her curses have some feats in that regards, but not she herself.
I don't think that contact type powernull alone will win SM the match, though.
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Oh, ok, good to know. And yeah, I also think White Queen has the adventage here.
 
@Don't Talk

Ok, if i've hunderstood correctly for the immortality, even if you kill her, she come back, she can't be killed permanently if you didn't kill her 512 form and her influence in the living world, right?

Changing the past don't help this time, Moon is resistant to time paradox stuff

For the rest Moon pretty resist to everything

From what i see, Moon can't permanently kill WQ (depend if her resurrection is overtime), WQ has good stuff but Moon resist and heal to almost all of them. Even in the case that Moon PNull WQ, she still can't kill her i guess
 
You have to get past her regen, kill her 512 times, erase her influence that spreads through both the human and the supernatural world and have to kill her and the supernatural being called "Wisdom" at the same time.

SM only has acausality listed in her last key, if I didn't miss anything. So her 3-C key doesn't have it if I'm not mistaken?

Similarly she only seems to have curse resistance from her crisis power key onwards, which is after the Holy Power form that is 3-C. (And then one could argue about whether the WQ could adapt her curses to get past that.)

Which resistance does she have against a hair entering her body to physically damage her brain?

And how much is she resistant to Social Influencing (non-supernatural Charisma)?
 
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The White Queen possesses a powerful level of charisma that passively compels people to bow down and worship her when she's around without her actually doing anything. Even summoners, who freely call in and control actual gods and legendary monsters, consider the White Queen the supreme being of their world, with many actually praying to and worshipping her. Only humans like Kyousuke and others who possess incredible wills can stand against her, and even they have to be on their guard constantly so as to not give in to her. As for Materials, Regulation and Divine-class Material utterly refuse to even try to oppose her in battle, with only other Unexplored-classes being able to fight her. Her charisma is not supernatural, it appears to come directly from her beauty and level of power.
For short: Most professional supernatural soldiers would be unable to resist it.
 
It's not a supernatural power, so mind resistance against supernatural mind manipulation would not do anything.
 
DontTalkDT said:
It's not a supernatural power, so mind resistance against supernatural mind manipulation would not do anything.
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Dunno about this case, it's like said that flame created by human way can affect someone who can resist fire manipulation from magic
 
Think about it like this: The charisma is essentially not making the mind of the opponent do something it wouldn't normally do.

It is just making the opponent love and respect her in essentially the same way that a normal beautiful and charismatic woman may gain someones love and respect. Just that in the Queen's case this is like a thousand time stronger than it would be for a real person.

If mind resistance prevents this then the mind resistance would also stop the user from deeply liking or respecting or loving someone. It would cripple the users emotions so that they can not accidentaly like the wrong person.

Mind resistance just usually doesn't do that.
 
DontTalkDT said:
You have to get past her regen, kill her 512 times, erase her influence that spreads through both the human and the supernatural world and have to kill her and the supernatural being called "Wisdom" at the same time.
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/\ As interesting as it could make things to say otherwise, I doubt SM is putting WQ down past all this before she nukes her the one time she needs to.
 
In that case WQ takes this Via Higher Survivability plus everything brought up before.
 
WQ will probably find a way to put down moon, before getting killed (Moon could not kill WQ), she will win Overtime with her versatility ect...
 
Though outside of Social Influencing, what else can beat her Tyoe 8?
 
Schnee One said:
Though outside of Social Influencing, what else can beat her Tyoe 8?
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She can probably use Law Manipulations if she has some occasion, beat moon overtime without things which can really be super effective! against her is pretty hard as she can Null or potential heal herself (without talking about her limitless dura thanks to the SC)

the hair stuff could probably work if it isn't Nulled by Moon's aura.
 
I'm voting Mary Ann via being able to kill Moon before she's able to put her down for good.
 
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@DT doesn't White Queen Resist to Sealing? it's not in characters for moon but if necessary she is able to seal people, her ability is able to banish people from existence with the seal of the Silver Crystal, if she doesn't resist, Moon has probably a win con
 
The Causality said:
@DT doesn't White Queen Resist to Sealing? it's not in characters for moon but if necessary she is able to seal people, her ability is able to banish people from existence with the seal of the Silver Crystal, if she doesn't resist, Moon has probably a win co
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Depends on what exactly that seal does / how it works. She can easily break out of mind seals, barrier related seals can just be destroyed and spatial seals would be circumvented by her just ripping space apart to get a way out.

Also, isn't sealing a different key? Only her last key seems to have sealing.

Edit: Speaking of different key, I believe chaning the past is an immediate winning move for the WQ, as SM is currently only acausal in her last key.
 
From the description, the seal is supposed to banish you from existence, so i don't know but it's probably a kind of spatial sealing. Moon has different sealing in different key, Neo Queen Serenity have multiple sealing abilities, this sealing come from the first arc of sailor moon, 3-C Moon can use it.
 
Unless my ctrl+f is fooling me she doesn't have it listed, though. So you might wanna do a CRT on the sealing.

That said, as already mentioned, spatial sealing can be circumvented with her spacetime stuff.
 
You're correct, i should probably make a CRT about this one

I doubt about that, i don't think that a Space Time stuff can counter something that seal your whole existence away
 
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