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Prime Soul King Profile Additions

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Proposed Soul King Profile Ability Additions

So in light of the recent upgrade for the Soul King to Tier 4-A, it has been pointed out that his profile is solely lacking and in need of being updated. As such, I will go through what abilities the Soul King ought to have, and further give explanation as to why he should have them.

Abilities and Resistances Gained From Feats and Body Parts
The Soul King unarguably would gain all of the following Abilities and Resistances due to the fact that his own body parts are what exhibit these abilities and resistances, and the Prime Soul King was made of these parts.

Abilities

  • Immortality Type 1 - The Soul King has existed for longer than Ichibe Hyosube has and gifted Ichibe with his current rank and title, who possesses the same Immortality on his profile
  • Immortality Type 2 - The Soul King is still extant regardless of his arms, legs, and internal organs all having been forcibly removed; in such a state, he is still strong enough to maintain the balance of all three dimensions, showcasing an ability to live through objectively fatal damage without the need to regenerate to survive ("Well; I suppose that still wasn't enough. The ancestors; including Tsunayashiro; gouged out his heart and internal organs; and dismembered both his legs. Doing so, they destroyed his power; creating a king convenient for themselves." Upon hearing the monk's tale; Shutara Senjumaru, who had remained silent until then, opened her mouth with a smile. But that smile was heavy with traces of insurrection. "Convenient indeed. He continues to remain the lynchpi without ever having a say in the workings of this world, while the real business is carried out by others." ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume 3 pages 209-217)
  • Immortality Type 5 - The Soul King existed in a world that did not have a concept of Life and Death, and was in a state of simple chaos. ("During that age, all of creation was in a state of ambiguity. There was neither life nor death; progression and regression flickered to and fro" ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume 3 pages 209-217)
  • Immortality Type 7 - The Soul King is 'killed' by the Tsunayashiro ancestor, leaving him in a state beyond life ("Afraid of the Rei-o escaping from his seal by himself; he neither wanted the Rei-o to live nor did he want to kill him. Continuing this helix of contradictions, the Right Arm of 'stagnation' and the Left Arm of 'Progress' were torn off." ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume 3 pages 209-217)
  • Immortality Type 8 - Gerard Valkyrie is the Soul King's Heart, and as such he embodies all the abilites that Gerard's 'The Miracle' bestow upon Gerard (Already on Gerard's profile - Cannot die so long as the concept of his 'The Miracle' exists)
  • Conceptual Manipulation(Type 3) - The Soul King created the concepts of life and death ("Perhaps another form of the world would be born, but the essential thing was the clear separation the world of the 'living' from the world of the 'dead'. In order to turn this division into a reality, what was required was the power of a man who transcended everything." [...] Using his powers of the Almighty as the 'keystone', the five of them created the foundation of a new world. Soul Society, the Material World and Hueco Mundo. Life and death were separated. The Soul Cycle ushered in a new era" ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume 3 pages 209-217)
  • Reality Manipulation - The Soul King creates three entire dimensions with his power, overriding the old world's existence with a world that possessed both Life and Death (same quote as above)
  • Death Manipulation - The Soul King created the concepts of life and death (Same as above)
  • Life Manipulation - The Soul King created the concepts of life and death (Same as above)
  • Acausality Type 2 - Mimihagi is the Soul King's right arm, and as such he has access to its abilities due to it governing Stagnation ("Afraid of the Rei-o escaping from his seal by himself; he neither wanted the Rei-o to live nor did he want to kill him. Continuing this helix of contradictions, the Right Arm of 'stagnation' and the Left Arm of 'Progress' were torn off." ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume 3 pages 209-217)
  • Darkness Manipulation - Upon Yhwach's absorption of Mimihagi, he demonstrates the ability to manipulate darkness as seen in his assault upon Seireitei to prevent retaliation whilst he absorbed the Soul King (An extension of Mimihagi's power applied to Yhwach's profile via absorption)
  • Non-Corporeal - Upon Yhwach's absorption of Mimihagi, he demonstrates the ability to become a non-corporeal mass of pure energy (An extension of Mimihagi's power applied to Yhwach's profile via absorption)
  • Low-Godly Regenerationn - Gerard Valkyrie is the Soul King's Heart, and as such he embodies all the abilites that Gerard's 'The Miracle' bestow upon Gerard (Already on Gerard's profile - Regenerates via reishi)
  • Reactive Power Level - Gerard Valkyrie is the Soul King's Heart, and as such he embodies all the abilites that Gerard's 'The Miracle' bestow upon Gerard (Already on Gerard's profile - The Miracle empowers Gerard with every bit of damage he takes)
  • Spiritual Awareness - Can see invisible spirits and objects, as any being in Bleach with Reiryoku can
  • Extrasensory Perception - Can sense beings with Reiatsu, as any being in Bleach with Reiryoku can
  • Energy Manipulation(Reishi Manipulation) - Gerard Valkyrie is the Soul King's Heart, and as such he embodies all the abilites that Gerard's 'The Miracle' bestow upon Gerard (Already on Gerard's profile - Can forcibly manipulate the particles that make up spiritual beings and objects such as those in Soul Society)
  • Matter Manipulation - The Soul King destroyed a giant Hollow and turned it into sands of reishi ("But before long, Hollows began devouring humans. And so, the circulation ceased. All those souls came together to form a gigantic Hollow, a Menos. The world became completely still. But you know, it's a strange thing. A new life came into being. As if the world itself naturally rejected it, he destroyed it and turned it into sands of reishi; thus, circulation began once again." ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume 3 pages 209-217)
  • Durability Negation and Damage Reflection - Gerard Valkyrie is the Soul King's Heart, and as such he embodies all the abilites that Gerard's 'The Miracle' bestow upon Gerard (Already on Gerard's profile - If Hoffnung is damaged, the person who damaged it will suffer injuries in return)
  • Statistic Amplification - Gerard Valkyrie is the Soul King's Heart, and as such he embodies all the abilites that Gerard's 'The Miracle' bestow upon Gerard (Already on Gerard's profile - increase his defensive or offensive abilties with Blut)
  • Limited Blood Manipulation - Gerard Valkyrie is the Soul King's Heart, and as such he embodies all the abilites that Gerard's 'The Miracle' bestow upon Gerard (Already on Gerard's profile - Using Blut, Gerard can flood his blood vessels with energy to reinforce them)
  • Biological Manipulation - Pernida Parnkgjas is the Soul King's Left Arm, and as such he embodies all the abilities that Pernida's 'The Compulsory' bestow upon Pernida (Already on Pernida's profile - Using the Compulsory, Pernida's nerves can invade the bodies of others to control their movements)
  • Earth Manipulation - Pernida Parnkgjas is the Soul King's Left Arm, and as such he embodies all the abilities that Pernida's 'The Compulsory' bestow upon Pernida (Already on Pernida's profile - Pernida can control inorganic objects such as the ground and buildings with the Compulsory)
  • Body Control - Pernida Parnkgjas is the Soul King's Left Arm, and as such he embodies all the abilities that Pernida's 'The Compulsory' bestow upon Pernida (Already on Pernida's profile - Pernida can forcibly control bodies with the Compulsory)
  • Duplication - Pernida Parnkgjas is the Soul King's Left Arm, and as such he embodies all the abilities that Pernida's 'The Compulsory' bestow upon Pernida (Already on Pernida's profile - Pernida can clone itself from severed fingers)
  • Reactive Evolution and Power Mimicry - Pernida Parnkgjas is the Soul King's Left Arm, and as such he embodies all the abilities that Pernida's 'The Compulsory' bestow upon Pernida (Already on Pernida's profile - Pernida can evolve by absorbing information through its nerves and mimicking his target powers and abilities)
  • Soul Manipulation - Pernida Parnkgjas is the Soul King's Left Arm, and as such he embodies all the abilities that Pernida's 'The Compulsory' bestow upon Pernida (Already on Pernida's profile - All Quincies can destroy Souls)
  • Non-Physical Interaction - Pernida Parnkgjas is the Soul King's Left Arm, and as such he embodies all the abilities that Pernida's 'The Compulsory' bestow upon Pernida (Already on Pernida's profile - Can harm and interact with intangible spirits and objects)
  • Overwhelming Aura - Akin to Aizen Sosuke's ability to kill with his Reiatsu, the Soul King as a 4-A being of Reiryoku can reasonably utilize his Reiatsu in similar ways
Resistances

  • Soul Manipulation - Gerard Valkyrie is the Right Arm of the Soul King, and as such he embodies all the abilities that Mimhagi possesses (Already on Gerard's profile - Universal to all Bleach characters, any being with reiatsu can resist soul manipulation)
  • Precognition - Mimihagi is the Right Arm of the Soul King, and as such he embodies all the abilities that Mimhagi possesses (Already on Mimihagi's profile - Resisted Yhwach's The Almighty)
  • Power Nullification - Gerard Valkyrie is the Soul King's Heart, and as such he embodies all the abilites that Gerard's 'The Miracle' bestow upon Gerard (Already on Gerard's profile - Hitsugaya's ice which nullifies the functions and abilities of whatever it freezes was ineffective on him)
  • Causality Manipulation - The Soul King in his weakened form is immune to Orihime Inoue's ability to reject events and causality
Abilities and Resistances Gained From Fullbringers
The Soul King unarguably would gain all of the following Abilities and Resistances due to the fact that Fullbringers each gain their powers from a shard of the Soul King, and the Prime Soul King was made of these shards. (Tokinada asked Ginjo. Ginjo asked back, "Oh? Me, the Rei-o? Claiming the throne isn't some kind of special bargain sale, you know!" "That's not what I mean. Do you know how Fullbringers are born?" "I think I can guess. A fragment of the Rei-o, am I right?" ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume 3 pages 256-276)

Abilities

  • Soul Manipulation - Fullbringers can manipulate the souls of objects
  • Energy Manipulation - Via Kugo Ginjo's Fullbring, Cross of Scaffold, which enables Ginjo to launch energy blades
  • Pocket Reality Manipulation - On Yukio's profile via his Fullbring, Invaders Must Die/Digital Radial Invaders, creates pocket dimensions whose every facet Yukio can manipulate
  • Sealing - Via Yukio's Fullbring, Invaders Must Die/Digital Radial Invaders, can trap persons in pocket dimensions
  • Limited Fast Forward - Via Yukio's Fullbring, Invaders Must Die/Digital Radial Invaders, can fast-forward pocket dimensions
  • Duplication(Virtual Clones Creation) - Via Yukio's Fullbring, Invaders Must Die/Digital Radial Invaders, creation of Virtual selves
  • Limited Gravity Manipulation - Via Yukio's Fullbring, Invaders Must Die/Digital Radial Invaders, can increase Gravity in pocket dimensions
  • Limited Wind Manipulation - Via Yukio's Fullbring, Invaders Must Die/Digital Radial Invaders, can decrease wind speed in pocket dimensions
  • Probability Manipulation - Via Moe Shishigawara's Fullbring, Jackpot Knuckle, can manipulate the probability of landing a lucky, powerful strike
  • Memory Manipulation - Via Shukuro Tsukishima's Fullbring, Book of the End, can insert himself into the past of whomever is affected and create new memories
  • Mind Manipulation - Via Shukuro Tsukishima's Fullbring, Book of the End, can insert himself into the past of whomever is affected and break their minds entirely by overloading them with too much information
  • Time Manipulation(Past Manipulation) -Via Shukuro Tsukishima's Fullbring, Book of the End, can insert himself into the past of whomever is affected and forcibly create new timelines there
  • Time Manipulation(Timer Constraints) - Via Giriko Kutsuzawa's Fullbring, Time Tells No Lies, can set 'timers' that decree specific stipulations which are inviolable, as breaching the timer or condition results in those who violate it being destroyed by the flames of time itself
  • Causality Manipulation -Via Orihime Inoue's Fullbring, Shun Shun Rikka, can reject events entirely and rewind them to a prior form as well as place barriers that reject events
  • Matter Manipulation - Fullbringers can manipulate the 'soul' in all physical matter; every bit of physical matter in Bleach possesses a soul, thereby enabling The Soul King to manipulate all matter within his range
  • Physics Manipulation - Fullbringers at their peak can alter the laws of physics with their soul manipulation ("By controlling Reishi which dwells in matter, a Fullbringer is able to distort and manipulate the matter itself, and at times, even the laws of physics. Moreover, they can invoke their very own abilities through the transfiguration of an object in their possession which they hold a particular attachment to. However, that isn't the case for this individual." CFYOW Vol. 2 Chapter 10 part 2)
No Unique Resistances Gained

Abilities and Resistances Gained From The Almighty
The Soul King is the progenitor of The Almighty, the ability which Yhwach utilizes as his potent, all-powerful ability which dominates and subjugates all other powers. Due to The Soul King possessing immensely superior power to Yhwach with the same ability, The Soul King's Almighty would be superior to Yhwach's, thereby granting The Soul King every ability and resistance related to Yhwach's The Almighty. ("A man who was later named the Rei-o. Using his powers of the Almighty as the 'keystone', the five of them created the foundation of a new world. Soul Society, the Material World and Hueco Mundo. Life and death were separated. The Soul Cycle ushered in a new era." ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume III pages 209-217)

Abilities

  • Immortality Type 4 - Already on Yhwach's profile (rewrites the future wherein he has died and resurrects himself)
  • Teleportation - Already on Yhwach's profile (rewrites the future to be where he needs to be at any given time)
  • Absorption(All Types) - Already on Yhwach's profile (absorbs several powers, living beings, souls, and also pure energy on a massive scale)
  • Precognition - Already on Yhwach's profile (sees all possible futures)
  • Information Analysis - Already on Yhwach's profile (understands all powers he sees in the future)
  • Fate Manipulation - Already on Yhwach's profile (forcibly chooses any of the futures he sees and can change between them; can also simply undo his own death)
  • Reactive Evolution - Already on Yhwach's profile (becomes resistant to any power or ability he sees with The Almighty)
  • Power Nullification - Already on Yhwach's profile (renders any power or ability he sees with The Almighty useless against him)
  • Regenerationn Negation - Already on Yhwach's profile (Orihime Inoue's causal rejection was unable to undo the damage Yhwach had done to things since they were broken in the future and not the present)
  • Resurrection - Already on Yhwach's profile (Redistributes the power of those given power via The Almighty to bring back dead allies)
  • Life Manipulation - Already on Yhwach's profile (Can redistribute the life force of those who have been given power via The Almighty)
  • Power Bestowal - Already on Yhwach's profile (One of the base uses of The Almighty is to give powers)
  • Telekinesis - Already on Yhwach's profile (Used multiple times to blast people away from himself, also to lift Wandenreich)
  • Transmutation - Already on Yhwach's profile (Reformed the entirety of Reiokyu into an image befitting what he wanted)
  • Summoning - Already on Yhwach's profile (Created a stream of eyeball-creatures from the torrent of the Soul King's power whilst absorbing him)
  • Dimensional Travel - Yhwach travels to the Soul Society by opening a portal from Reiokyu


Resistances

  • Power Nullification - Already on Yhwach's profile (Yhwach regained his ability to speak after it was negated and even half of his power after it was halved by Ichibē. After he regains The Almighty, Yhwach completely nullified the effect of Ichimonji that stripped him of his name and power and reduced his physical capability to a black ant)
  • Coneptual Manipulation(Type 3) - Already on Yhwach's profile (Yhwach regained his ability to speak after it was negated and even half of his power after it was halved by Ichibē. After he regains The Almighty, Yhwach completely nullified the effect of Ichimonji that stripped him of his name and power and reduced his physical capability to a black ant)


Abilities and Resistances Gained From The Almighty's Power Bestowal And Future Sight
This one is where I foresee there may be some blowback, mainly due to the implication, but it's pretty consistent. For one, Yhwach demonstrably has the power of every Sternritter Schrift on his profile; this is as a result of his having been able to create the power out of his own soul via The Almighty's power bestowal ability, imbue it into someone, and then guide it back to him upon their death. Since Yhwach could craft these abilities from his own soul with his weaker The Almighty, The Prime Soul King with a vastly superior The Almighty by powerscaling absolutely can accomplish the same precise thing .

Further, The Prime Soul King's The Almighty was used to see the entirety of the events of Bleach up until his second 'death' at the hands of Yhwach/Ichigo; this is something Yhwach himself claims is likely to have been the case and is also supported by Ichibe Hyosube ("Perhaps it was because he could see the far-flung future.... Maybe he could not escape his fear; or maybe he found some hope in the new world.... I don't really understand... But the Rei-o dared not resist it." [...] "Oh, he most certainly had a will of his own. It might have faded with the passage of time, but I think he was aware of the general situation and thus guided Kurosaki Ichigo here to the Reiokyu. This shows that he possessed his own will. I could feel it. If the bone is the Oken, then a part of his soul is entrusted to this Reiokyu." ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume III pages 209-217). As such.....The Soul King has passive Resistance to literally every single ability in Bleach ever showcased. It might sound a bit extravagant, but Yhwach demonstrably shows via The Almighty that seeing something in the future grants him Resistance to it . The Soul King saw every future, which would include every ability. I think the easiest way to put it would simply be 'Resistance to every Ability he possesses' since the list would be absurd, but I will still list it out as best I can.

All abilities will just list out the Schrift they come from and a descriptor.

Abilities

  • Durability Negation - Via The Balance which allows him to manipulate the fortune and misfortune that occurs within his sphere of influence, all good fortune experienced by the opponent in causing injury to him will be directed back to them as misfortune of the same magnitude
  • Probability Manipulation - Via The Balance which allows for a 'balancing' of the scales; an opponent's fortune results in The Balance bequeathing them an equal amount of misfortune to balance things out
  • Healing - Via The Deathdealing which allows him to regulate Lethal Doses of anything ingested, including energy; fatal wounds can be undone by reduction of the Lethal Dose
  • Poison Manipulation - Via The Deathdealing which allows him to regulate Lethal Doses of anything ingested, can turn any substance fatal to those within range
  • Death Manipulation - Via The Deathdealing which allows him to regulate Lethal Doses of anything ingested, can turn basic biological processes lethal
  • Explosion Manipulation - Via The Explode which allows him to turn anything his reiatsu touches into an explosive
  • Transmuation - Via The Explode which allows him to turn anything his reiatsu touches into an explosive
  • Durability Negation - Via The Explode which allows him to turn anything his reiatsu touches into an explosive
  • Fear Manipulation - Via The Fear which allows him to instill illogical, irrational base fear into anyone his weapons attack or anyone who views him directly with Tatarforas, its enhanced form
  • Fire Manipulation - Via The Heat which can generate flames
  • Heat Manipulation - Via The Heat which can generate flames
  • Statistics Amplification - Via The Iron which amplifies one's durability vastly above their tier (Cang Du tanked an execution-intended swing from Haschwalth)
  • Sealing - Via The Jail which allows him to create a cage of energy which is unpassable by any non-Quincy and will persist forever, can also be used to seal off dimensional travel
  • Empathic Manipulation - Via The Love which forces anyone struck by the heart-shaped projectiles it fires to fall in love with him and follow their every command
  • Reactive Power Level - Via The Overkill which makes him grow stronger with every single kill
  • Empathic Manipulation - Via The Question which creates doubt-inducement in whomever listens to him
  • Sound Manipulation - Via The Roar which enables him to create enormously powerful soundwaves with their voice
  • Statistics Amplification - Via The Superstar which amplifies his physicals thanks to the cheers of a crowd
  • Regenerationn(Mid-High) - Via The Superstar which allows him to heal thanks to the cheers of a crowd
  • Immortality(Types 3 and 8) - Via The Superstar which allows him to regenerate from fatal wounds and be unkillable so long as a crowd exists to cheer
  • Reality Warping - Via The Visionary which allows him to turn thoughts into reality
  • Elemental Manipulation - Via The Visionary which allows him to create magma as a subset of reality warping
  • Death Manipulation - Via The Visionary which allows him to imagine peoples' death into existence
  • Stealth Mastery - Via The Visionary which allows him to imagine his non-detection
  • Duplication - Via The Visionary which enables him to replicate himself with a thought
  • Transmutation - Via The Visionary which lets him turn any object into another, such as bones into cookies
  • Creation - Via The Visionary which allows him to think other beings into existence such as Guenael Lee
  • Power Bestowal - Via The Visionary which lets him grant those he created abilities such as The Vanishing
  • BFR - Via The Visionary which lets him open a dimensional hole around his opponent to remove them
  • Portal Creation - Via The Visionary and related to BFR, since he can open a portal to BFR his opponent
  • Information Analysis - Via The Visionary which allows him to perfectly imagine the level of strength an opponent possesses
  • Spatial Manipulation - Via The Wind which makes all attacks he perceives as attacks to bend away and miss
  • Durability Negation - Via The X-Axis which uniformly penetrates anything between his weapon and target, bypassing durability
  • Intangibility - Via The X-Axis which puts the user in a permanent state of intangibility; instead of his attack piercing everything, everything simply passes through him
  • Power Mimicry - Via The Yourself which lets him perfectly copy the abilites/powers of his opponent
  • Shapeshifting - Via The Yourself which lets him perfectly copy the appearance, equipment, uniform, knowledge, and memories of his opponent
Resistances

  • Resistant to everything listed in his Abilities profile, and anything in any profile from all of Bleach
 
Most of this I agree with, but do not add Acasuality Type 2 yet. Yhwach's thread is explicitly detailing how it's ridiculously inconsistent for him and Mimihagi (who the PSK would get this from) to have it and that needs to be concluded before the PSK can get it.

Im also supscious of the PSK having type 3 conceptual manipulation. The quotes from the LN dont say anything about Life and Death not actually existing as a concept yet, but that they weren't seperated by the PSK yet when making the 3 worlds.
 
if the allmighty gives its user resistance to any power seen in the future,and prime soulking has seen the events of Bleach story, why do we not include resistance to Shinigami/Hollow powers on this list?

like AZ resistance,for example (from Rukia's and toshiro's bankai)

or resistance to EE (Yama's bankai)

upd : nevermind, ive missed the last paragraph completely
 
He should also have space-time manipulation due to creating the dangai, law manipulation for overiding the rules of the old world and making his own, low-multiversal range (actually a lot of people need this).

I personally agree with the suggested abilities, not sure about the others though.
 
So, i brought this a long time ago, but i dont remember what the response was. Basically, Ichibei (not sure if SK did as well) existed before the concepts of life and death did. Does that mean he lacks a concept of death? Or does him getting killed disprove this?
 
The real cal howard said:
You lost me at Almighty.
"("A man who was later named the Rei-o. Using his powers of the Almighty as the 'keystone', the five of them created the foundation of a new world. Soul Society, the Material World and Hueco Mundo. Life and death were separated. The Soul Cycle ushered in a new era." ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume III pages 209-217)"

""Perhaps it was because he could see the far-flung future.... Maybe he could not escape his fear; or maybe he found some hope in the new world.... I don't really understand... But the Rei-o dared not resist it." [...] "Oh, he most certainly had a will of his own. It might have faded with the passage of time, but I think he was aware of the general situation and thus guided Kurosaki Ichigo here to the Reiokyu. This shows that he possessed his own will. I could feel it. If the bone is the Oken, then a part of his soul is entrusted to this Reiokyu." ~Can't Fear Your Own World Volume III pages 209-217"

Manga 1.

Manga 2.
 
W0NDER3X said:
So, i brought this a long time ago, but i dont remember what the response was. Basically, Ichibei (not sure if SK did as well) existed before the concepts of life and death did. Does that mean he lacks a concept of death? Or does him getting killed disprove this?
Both Rei-O and Ichibei's were alive in some shape or form after death. (Yhwach is currently an undead-soul in the sealed, therefore the Rei-O was too.) Ichibei can revive himself even if his soul body is destroyed.
 
The real cal howard said:
I'm against SK's almighty working anything like Yhwach's because if so, he'd never have gotten weakened or absorbed in the first place.
Cal

"Perhaps it was because he could see the far-flung future.... Maybe he could not escape his fear; or maybe he found some hope in the new world.... I don't really understand... But the Rei-o dared not resist it." - Ichibei here is talking about the Rei-o a.k.a. Soul King been sealed.

He choose not to do anything when he got sealed and butcher by the Shinigami. It was the Soul King's choice not to fight back after he created the worlds at the request of the royal members.
 
If he could just choose a reality where everything worked out in the end, he would've done that. And also, Soul King was weakened. Almighty should've lolnoped the idea of him being weakened at all. All SK's Almighty says is that he can see the future with it, not that it can do half the BS Yhwach's can.


...I need to stop getting ninja'd
 
W0NDER3X said:
So, i brought this a long time ago, but i dont remember what the response was. Basically, Ichibei (not sure if SK did as well) existed before the concepts of life and death did. Does that mean he lacks a concept of death? Or does him getting killed disprove this?
But thats the problem. Where is it explcility said or implied that the concepts didnt exist yet?

All the LN tells us is that the Soul King seperated life from death when making the 3 worlds. Thats telling me that the life and death concepts did indeed existed, but they were mushed together in some fused state where they couldnt be applied to the universe before it was split up.
 
Not gonna lie I like that analogy (Strange did it better) but if it worked like that, Soul King would've been straight up immune to everything. You can't exactly lower an immunity (shut up Askin).
 
The real cal howard said:
If he could just choose a reality where everything worked out in the end, he would've done that. And also, Soul King was weakened. Almighty should've lolnoped the idea of him being weakened at all. All SK's Almighty says is that he can see the future with it, not that it can do half the BS Yhwach's can.

...I need to stop getting ninja'd
Why would the Soul King have done any of that? He choose to be sealed as he dare not resist their choice of sealing him away.

"That's right. Others; with special powers, including myself; appeared, but it is fair to say that the Rei-o stood out; his powers very close to omnipotence and omniscience."-CFYOW -Ichibei

Ichibei stated the Rei-O stood beyond their capabilities, so is not like he didn't had a choice, Rei-O simply- "Perhaps it was because he could see the far-flung future.... Maybe he could not escape his fear; or maybe he found some hope in the new world.... I don't really understand... But the Rei-o dared not resist it." -
 
'''"Maybe he could not escape his fear"''' kinda implies he might not have had a choice
 
@Kukui

The fact there was no death, people literally couldn't die until he changed it so people could die therefore introducing Death an unfamiliar concept in the old world.
 
It does matter though, it doesn't matter if the others were not equal, it means that he was unable to avoid the outcome so his almighty clearly doesn't work the same way as Yhwach's
 
@cal

I'm simply going by what we are explicitly told. He has The Almighty as an ability and willfully let all events come to pass for a reason unknown to even Ichibe, a man Yhwach feared for his wisdom.

We are trying to second guess a deity's logic here and appeal to reality, at base, if we deny the facts as they are in this case from my POV
 
Paul Frank said:
It does matter though, it doesn't matter if the others were not equal, it means that he was unable to avoid the outcome so his almighty clearly doesn't work the same way as Yhwach's
how did you get this out of a 3 word sentence lol? your argument falls apart since it's agreed upon Yhwach got fate manipulation by absorbing the SK. Unless you'd like to argue he always had it ofc.
 
Paul Frank said:
"Maybe he could not escape his fear" kinda implies he might not have had a choice
That's vague. Fear of what? It wans't power because Ichibei said he stood out from their own abilities, so ...a better world? that no one would accept him? that everyone would had live in fear of him? that his existence would end destroying everything in existence if he had kept removing hollows from the cycle of reincarnation which cause the worlds to become still? that humanity will never know true peace?

This are also available options to choose.

  • or maybe he found some hope in the new world....
  • I don't really understand...
^ But in reality the monk didn't know.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
@Kukui
The fact there was no death, people literally couldn't die until he changed it so people could die therefore introducing Death an unfamiliar concept in the old world.
That doesnt mean the concept didnt exist, it just means it wasnt applied onto the world yet due to its state. Read what I said again.

The light novel never says life and death were non-existent concepts, it just states that the Soul King separated life and death when creating the 3 worlds. That implies the concepts do exist, but in a twisted fused state where neither one can be applied to the world as its not life or death yet.
 
@sigurd

Or he just doesn't have it at all

He picks from an existing future he doesn't change the future itself
 
> Yhwach doesn't have fate manipulation


> Yhwach straight up explains that the Almighty is the ability to rewrite the future and to change fate


Someone clearly hasn't read Bleach. Funny argument tho
 
The Prince of Counters said:
> Yhwach doesn't have fate manipulation

> Yhwach straight up explains that the Almighty is the ability to rewrite the future and to change fate


Someone clearly hasn't read Bleach. Funny argument tho
I just noticed that @Paul Frank is entering every Bleach CRT to agree with everyone who's against upgrades and agreeing with the downgrades. He's also lacking on the knowledge department for the series.
 
Enough of the "only enters this to do x" stuff.

Sorry, but im getting really tired of this crap coming up just because of people disagreeing. Its annoying.
 
>tfw I read all of bleach and had Yhwach as my discord picture until like last week

And don't act like I'm some bleach hater or Naruto fan or something

I disagree with any CRT that uses faulty reasoning or that I disagree with

just so happens that Naruto and bleach are always like that
 
"During that age, all of creation was in a state of ambiguity. There was neither life nor death; progression and regression flickered to and fro. Swaying and swaying slowly; this waning and waxing world waited for a hundred million years to cool down. Eventually, Hollows became a part of the circulation of souls."

He made life and death. The world before was even described by Yhwach as one that did not have death, thus why he wanted to bring that world back.
 
Welp that part of the quote at least brings something.

Still, there being no life or death doesnt mean the concepts themselves didnt exist. Like I said, they were separated from each other by the Soul King when creating the 3 worlds, not created by him. In fact, something even more interesting comes up from that quote now that im looing at it.

"Progession and regression flickered to and fro. Swaying and swaying slowly." If progression and regression were happening constantly, wouldnt this be the reason why no one could live or die? Not that life and death literally wasnt present in the world?
 
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