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The longtime battle pt. 2 Lavos vs BB

If she doesn't have access to infinite timelines, I don't think she can fully kill Lavos.
 
What type of acasuality does Lavos have, if any, in his low 2-C form? Does he have the ability to stop passive precog with someone whom has a Higher Dimensional mind, and perspective, (Up to 8-D precog hax) to see an an infinite realities in under a second, and produce further results based on what was seen?
 
Subjective reality hax that is passive can negate damage. damage "that was" is turned into damage "that was not."
 
Here is how im seeing it pan out. BB sees the future passively. She adapts to his hax, and then attempts to kill him.

BB has a higher Dimensional mind, and perspective. She can see an infinity of futures in under a second, and compute further results from that. She can see every outcome, and every destiny.

Add on top of that hax

She has the ability to Modify herself. Which she modified herself to overcome several laws the MoonCell places on Ai's. With the MoonCell simulating higher dimensions up to 8-D. So, she modified herself to overcome 8-D law manipulation. Then later she modified herself to overcome the concept of time, by placing herself in a concept of "Infinite time." So, her reactive evolution allowed her to adapt to something that has 8-D hax, and become immune, or at least, resistant to it.

can Lavos resist, or is immune to, Fate Manipulation? If not she can alter his fate.

Can Lavos resist Cursed Cutting Crater/CCC? Which is a combonation of attacks like Existence Erasure + Reality destruction + Curse manipulation + Subjective reality + non-physical interaction + Time manipulation (affects the past, present, and future at the same time) + Casuality manipulation + Spatial manipulation + Life and death manipulation + information manipulation + Law manipulation + concept manipulation + Atomic destruction + Fate manipulation + Luck manipulation + Mind manipulation

Point is. CCC/Cursed Cutting crater is a broken asf move lol.

And by swapping out magical laws, and physical laws along with physics manipulation + her Spatial manipulation over distance + creation. She can make it harder for anything physical to harm her.

Broken passive precog + Reactive evoltuion to adapt to 8-D hax + CCC/Cursed Cutting Crater
 
I don't think you can get it in a way that's applicable for hax but not for AP though.
 
On this thread. .. That happened very recently.. That appears to be what people, including knowledgable members accept... She has 8-D hax, and hax resistance, but not the AP..

I also learned that BB has Higher-Dimensional Manipulation (merged with and can control the Moon Cell, which can create 8 dimensional spaces) on her page for Hax, and Hax resistance, but not AP...
 
Note how that isn't exactly a CRT and it's just a vs thread

For dimensionality to even matter in the context of a hax being stronger the dimension would have to work in the way that gets it to matter for AP though. If it was deemed an outlier for her to have 1-C AP I don't think you can scale her hax there because it would scale for the same reason her AP would. Avalon doesn't seem to work as a comparison because it's actually listed on pages as Low 1-C.

Should probably make a dedicated thread for it.
 
Me as a new member to trying out the verse battles. Is just going by what the knowledgables seem to agree on. That is not the only thread of BB having 1-C hax, and resistance. But tbh it confused me too.... with what you pointed out..
 
Higher DImensions aren't always conducive to AP and won't give AP on their own anymore, so you can have that on a page that is below tier 2. Oryx was like that for a while. However, if the dimensions aren't conducive to AP they don't really work for hax either, so this is pretty weird.
 
Oh I was recommending a thread be made, not that I'd do it myself.
 
Gonna have to agree with Wok here. Make a CRT for her to either be 1-C or not bring up the 8D stuffs in VS threads.

AFAIK I heard that Nasuverse doesn't treat Higher Dimensions as something Transcendental to the Lower Ones like how we do but as something which is qualitatively superior. If that is the case then is that Qualitative Superiority quantifiable?
 
1. Characters can have hax that is way above the tier they belong to.

2. I don't know where "qualitatively superior but not transcendental" comes from. The only detailed explanation for higher dimensions in Fate that I know of comes from CCC and to me it sounds pretty transcendental.

3. I think this is still inconclusive.
 
1) Yes but in this case her 8D hax is Law Manip and Higher Dimensional Manip from what I have seen in threads which would make her 1-C in tier considering that she can affect 8D structures with that Hax.

2) Its stated by Monarch iirc in the Yuuki vs Melti thread here https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3154160. Either way if they are transcendental then BB should definetly be 1-C
 
Ok, so we have a bit of a problem with this and I have no idea how it's gonna go. I propose halting this thread until it's resolved because it could have a big impact on the thread itself. I really doubt 1-C tier for BB is possible.

Basically there could be three outcomes:

1. Her Moon Cell abilities like Law manipulation get accepted as 8D.

2. Her abilities stay on the Low 2-C level and she keeps her higher-dimensional manipulation and 8D min.

3. She loses the 8D thing completely.
 
I can close this if people wnat
 
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