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Possible Noblesse Revision

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So i know eventually someone will come and bring up this issue so i am just gonna have it addressed now.

All the mid,top and god tiers are scaled basd on this feat performed by rael and regis which was calc at small country level

Rael and regis feat


Now this feat might have some issues the size of the island the feat took place seems inconsistent. When rael, grui and gaitan first arrived there it didnt seem that big.

Rael island
Rael island 1


Noblesse island 2


No visible mountains here


However there is evidence for it being big as well.

Noblesse island
Noblesse island 1


Noblesse island 3


There are mountains visable in the background so it doesn't seem as small as first protrayed.

So there is conflicting evidence for both here the question is which one do we accept? Or do we just labell the feat as inconsistent. If we go for inconsistent i propose downgrading all top tiers to large mountain level not sure where to place mid tiers as the only significant feat they have is this feat which we are disputing, the top tiers however have multiple mountain level feats.

Low top tier characters did these feats

Noblesse mountain 1
Noblesse mountain 2


Roctis feat 1


For raizel and the god tier they should be island level for being far above the top tiers and from this feat which happened as a result of muzaka and raizel clashing.

Raizel island feat


Anyway this is if the rael and regis feat is deemed inconsistent.
 
Oh boy… Noblesse and it's horribly inconsistent drawings… Well I personally think the small country level is acceptable since there were mountains shown in the background several times throughout the fight, and it also seems more consistent since 1 high tier can easily make a barrier that protects the entire Bermuda Triangle area, and Rai and Erga were easily breaking the combined barrier of three of said high tiers iirc
 
Blahblah9755 said:
Oh boy… Noblesse and it's horribly inconsistent drawings…
Well I personally think the small country level is acceptable since there were mountains shown in the background several times throughout the fight, and it also seems more consistent since 1 high tier can easily make a barrier that protects the entire Bermuda Triangle area, and Rai and Erga were easily breaking the combined barrier of three of said high tiers iirc
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The inconsistences are very annoying as for the barrier you are referring to ludis right when did he make a barrier protecting lukedonia dont remember that but i do remember he is responsible for protecting lukedonia. Rai and erga did destroy the barrier protecting lukedonia though but dont remember if it was ludis who made it.
 
Oh I guess I may have been misremembering, or misinterpreting something, I was thinking Ludis was responsible for the barrier protecting Lukedonia, since when he created the barrier around Rai and Erga's fight the barrier around Lukedonia seemed to disappear (sorry if I've misremembered this)
 
Blahblah9755 said:
Oh I guess I may have been misremembering, or misinterpreting something, I was thinking Ludis was responsible for the barrier protecting Lukedonia, since when he created the barrier around Rai and Erga's fight the barrier around Lukedonia seemed to disappear (sorry if I've misremembered this)
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Hmm the barrier over lukedonia only dissappeared for a second and that was as a result of the fight between raizel and erga. Dont remember it being stated ludis makes the barrier though nor who makes it in general.
 
Okay, as usual that's my and my horrid memory's bad, then

I still think it's best to keep them at small country level, as it's pretty clear that this was supposed to be comparable in size to the planet.

But if we don't I think there was a decent sized explosion in the Rael vs Frankenstein fight. And Rai, Erga and other top tiers should probably at least get something like "likely small country level" for destroying that barrier.
 
Hmm, well, I don't think the current scaling or feats is bad. There was indeed a good explosion in the Rael vs Franky fight so the feats that come after match up to that.

The problem is that the Noblesse author doesn't include a lot of detail in his drawings from a distance. He prefers to perfect the characters in the foreground instead. You can see this in the other manwha that he has somewhat abandoned as well, which goes by the name of Aura or something.

I really think that the only feat that was pretty bad was the huge explosion with curved land in the background. In the explosion you posted, you can clearly see space in the far left hand corner so he was definitely drawing the curvature of the planet.
 
Alakabamm said:
Hmm, well, I don't think the current scaling or feats is bad. There was indeed a good explosion in the Rael vs Franky fight so the feats that come after match up to that.
The problem is that the Noblesse author doesn't include a lot of detail in his drawings from a distance. He prefers to perfect the characters in the foreground instead. You can see this in the other manwha that he has somewhat abandoned as well, which goes by the name of Aura or something.

I really think that the only feat that was pretty bad was the huge explosion with curved land in the background. In the explosion you posted, you can clearly see space in the far left hand corner so he was definitely drawing the curvature of the planet.
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That explains alot, his drawings are very inconsistent but as you pointed out the author did draw the curvature of the planet so it was intended to be a large explosion and mountains were shown on the island so i also think the current scaling is ok, i also agree the only inconsistent explosion was raizel using his blood phoenix. I just made this thread so when someone comes along and wants to downgrade we wont have to deal with it as it was already addressed.
 
Also since we are already on the topic of revision could when you have time look at rk5 i have them at island but they did hurt gaitan who is large island level but it was a combined effort though individually i remember tao piering gaitan with his whip and takeo's bullets hurting him a little, also the low tiers need to be checked to see if their scaling is correct. I am sure about mary's and krantz tiering but everyone else afterwards i am not so sure it might have been a bit too speculative. Before the whole rael and regis feat the only thing we have seen being destroyed are buildings but clearly they should be above building level.
 
We don't really have good feats for low tiers though, they all get curbstomped hard by better characters before Rael shows up, really.

RK5 is fine since they got a portion of Franky's power.
 
What should we do then leave it as is? Sealed frankie did a small building level feat and that is where i scaled upwards and base krantz already was stronger and then he got 2x stronger after absorbing shark. After looking at the small building level gap on our tiering system i see it is 50x so krantz would still be small building level and everyone up to rael and unsealed frankie should be small building level then as i doubt anyone got 50x stronger than sealed frankie. As for rael without grandie he should be building level as he is stronger than that cerberus dude that shook a building with one punch.
 
Rael without Grandie dominated Regis though, didn't he? He should be above building I would think.
 
He did but then what feats put regis at building level? Can't remember any, i remember dr aris chopped off the top of a building but that isn't a building level feat.
 
If we're discussing lower tiers, didn't Takeo possess bullets that were either able to damage cells or the nervous system (can't remember which one, though the latter seems more likely), even if they didn't pierce the skin, would that be considered partial durability negation?
 
Blahblah9755 said:
If we're discussing lower tiers, didn't Takeo possess bullets that were either able to damage cells or the nervous system (can't remember which one, though the latter seems more likely), even if they didn't pierce the skin, would that be considered partial durability negation?
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Did he? i dont remember but seems very unlikely as against stronger opponents his bullets only serve to distract them so m-21 can attack them. Also this revision has made me realize how massive a boost soul weapons are i mean they went from building level to small country level with just half of one.
 
Regis beat Shark twice, once without D and once with D (he even beat him while somewhat wounded). He was beaten by Krantz afterwards but he has improved since then and definitely before the Rael fight.
 
Alakabamm said:
Regis beat Shark twice, once without D and once with D (he even beat him while somewhat wounded). He was beaten by Krantz afterwards but he has improved since then and definitely before the Rael fight.
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Yea regis did beat shark but i dont think shark could take sealed frankenstein without d and we dont have any idea how powerful d makes them so we can't assume they get 50x stronger with it. I still dont see anyone getting above building level until soul weapons are used. That guy from cerebus that shock an entire building is the only solid proof i can remember of building level feats though at best rael would still be large building level can't see anything above that.
 
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