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Hansode Shiranui vs Saiki Kazu

Shiranui opens with Real Eater unless there is a specific reason she doesn't want to modify a power such as her fight with Kumagawa.

She will be able to ignore his defensive abilities, due to Real Eater, and will likely force his combat applicable abilities into something less so. What does he open with?
 
Well ugh, this was quick of you DT.

Just from their profiles Saiki might have quite a bit of an advantage, but Real Eater should be able to deal with them. What does the dude open up with?
 
Saiki Kazu's first move is to blast the opponent with his killing intent to KO them or pin them in place, followed by trying to finish them off with the space compression finger gun or simply piercing them with his claws.

Of course, if you're picking him to start with all the powers he had gained by the end of the fight (instead of the initial two he had, the black wind transformation and the finger gun), he'd start the fight with his 100+ doubles already out and follow from there.
 
I don't think the killing intent will work since she is a minus. If he gets off the space compression, then he wins obviously, but she just needs to get the maw around him and she wins. If she gets a single double, then she can convert it into a different ability. She will probably convert his ability into a non-combat applicable power and then take him out from there

For these reasons, I vote for Shiranui
 
Why would being a Minus grant her resistance to his killing intent? Specifically why would it give her a better resistance than Mai and Illness Magic User, who have resistance to mind altering abilities and were still left practically helpless by it? Also, unless Real Eater has feats for affecting the entirety of a clone/double body network like Saiki Kazu's or an AoE that can get all 100+ copies at the same time, if Saiki Kazu here has all is demonstrated abilities she cannot alter his ability or finish him off, as individual bodies are irrelevant to Saiki.
 
Minus live, and thrive in negativity. Kumagawa is obviously an extreme example, but he just had to say a few words to collapse an entire crowd from a minor exposure to his minus mentality while he was holding back. There are some people who cannot even look at certain minus without having a mental break down. Now, while Shiranui is obviously on the lighter end of minus, a minus would not go down by the mentality of another minus.

She gave people the ability to generate clones, she can take it away. She can grant someone the ability to create completely real speed clones, so placing limits or even turning it into a non-combat applicable power should be more than within her capacity. She could also turn him into a minus, which would generate a major shock and probably incapacitate him alone
 
Saiki Kazu's ability is not minus mentality and can affect people with better mental resistance than fodder characters, rendering them immobile.

Unless her Real Eater has feats of affecting an entire body double network or an AoE that can get 100+, her getting a single duplicate of Saiki Kazu is irrelevant and won't affect the powers of the others, because all of them are Saiki Kazu.
 
I am aware. I was saying that something that bad, wouldn't be much worse than what the mentality of a minus can do. Also, they weren't fodder, they were all high class candidates

They all share the ability of duplication right? So if she takes that away, then none of them should have it. I don't see why number matters at all here, why would it? Technically all she has to do is eat the powers themselves, so a clone would so just as well as the original in that regard
 
Saiki Kazu's killing intent renders Illness Magic User immobile and with his hands full to even keep himself breathing and conscious. Illness Magic User could somewhat control himself when archdemon Tselika casually forced two small armies (a few hundred people, including top tiers characters of the verse) to start killing each other, regardless of loyalty, affection or family bonds.

As I mentioned, does Real Eater have feats for affecting an entire body double network just by attacking a member of it, or an AoE that's big enough to cath 100+ people? If not, why do you assume her modifying the ability of a single duplicate will affect all of them?

This all presuming one of the Saiki Kazu doesn't immediately kill her with the finger gun technique + precog combo.
 
Dude, I have no idea what this means. However, we aren't talking about normal mind hax, we are talking about emotional stuff

Again, why would it matter how many there are when she just has to eat the power?

He could, but does he open with that?
 
Tselika has better hax affecting the mind than Kumagawa, and Saiki Kazu was left more helpless by Saiki Kazu's killing intent than by her power. So unless you can provide a better resistance feat for Shiranui than that, the best claim you can make for Shiranui is that she is paralyzed by the killing intent like Illness Magic User instead of being knocked out or suffocated.

Because you have to present feats of her power affecting an entire body/double/clone network by attacking one single member of it to be able claim it can affect all of them in one swoop. There's no main body that is the source of his powers, Saiki Kazu is none of them, he's the system that created them. Affecting the powers of a single double is going to do that, affect the powers of a single double.

Yes? I already explained that. He opens with killing intent to disable the opponent followed by either finger gun or claws. Precognition means that he knows if Shiranui is going to move or not and how she's going to move, meaning he can choose accordingly; and 100+ Saiki Kazu means it's very likely at least one of them will choose the finger gun technique.
 
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