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Revising Cade Skywalker and Darth Krayt

well, for the cade one- he cant possibly be well above either of them, since A) that would make cade a windu/yoda/sidious lvl combatant, which is not true, and would make krayt, who is stronger than him, even higher. and B) if u wanna stretch it, he became even stronger, while wyyrlock could even fight him on semi even terms, making wyyrlock stronger than or equal to windu and yoda lvl people. so no, not at all. besides for that, its actually really good and well done. like, really good job. imma go read the krayt page now
 
krayt is almost just as bad, tbh. him easily overpowering anakin as a padawan puts him on dooku/maul lvls of power, who are literally just under or semi equal to mace windu. thats not happening. him in the abeloth book series- have not read a single one of those, so i wont even comment. and the next part seems ok. like i said, they are well done, but we gotta facts and scalling straight first tbh. overwise, we would have padawans stronger than dooku, and cade who could fight krayt at his prime being>>>>>>> that same padawan. see what i mean?
 
Lorenzo, im sorry but are you going to give an actual reasoning other than 'theyre not that level because i cant believe that they are'?
 
Krayt casually beat Anakin 1v1 and did in fact fight Kenobi on even grounds as a jedi, just saying 'no i dont believe it' doesnt change that fact
 
Also please do explain how Cade being stronger than 5-Bs makes him 4-B

Because Yoda, Mace, and Sidious are all 4-B, while the people Cade scales to are 5-B
 
because vader is literally the tier under yoda and co per the show. he is listed as at least here as well. what u are saying means that krayt reborn would make him>>>> to vader, which cant possibly be the case, since eu vader is stronger than de luke, gethzerion, and all other force users in the galaxy by the time rotj, which also includes krayt and yoda (old and dying yoda, but yoda nonetheless). he is also stronger murr, a guy who one shot krayt in his armor. so yeah. makes sense now? and btw, just cuz the 'wiki says so', doest make it word of god. i have said this many times, but this verse needs a revision asap.
 
dude, can u not read what i wrote? i know what tiers they are on. and i dont care. this verse needs a revision. vader is factually the tier below, in the show, which is, guess what, magically above what the wiki says, yoda's tier. he is also strongest than any other being in the galaxy excluding sidious. and back at u, btw. his tier is at least 5B. meaning he is>> 5B in tier my dude lol
 
Also Vader isnt stronger than Muur in any way, he outright considered using his talisman to overthrow Sidious because it was stronger than him
 
"he is also strongest than any other being in the galaxy excluding sidious. "

I can name over a dozen people who are canonically immensely more powerful than Vader
 
.... and? he also considered luke, who at the time was much, much weaker than vader, as well as galen marek, who ye again, was much weaker than he was when he chose them to be his help in overthrowing sidious. and yes, he is stronger than muur.
 
proof? based on what? does the statement "second strongest being" mean nothing? how about "stronger than DE luke"? maybe "comparable to gethzerion" could make it work? all, and every single one of them is>>>> muur
 
because of...? i gave facts above. based on the verse. made by people there. if we discredit that, we might as well discredit sidious being the strongest sith ever, or yoda the strongest jedi ever. mace wouldnt be the second strongest in the order, nor would any person with the title "strongest of his era" be more than a normal force user. i have noticed this for awhile now. we completely ignore shit like this, then go and put all our faith into something that is exactly the same lol
 
Bruh

Sidious is far from the strongest sith ever

And Yoda is far from the strongest Jedi
 
Well for one Vitiate exists, Cronal (Who im currently working on making) is a character stated by Luke to be equal in power to Sidious, Kar Vastor (Another im making) is outright stated to be stronger, faster and more powerful than Mace Windu and is stated to be comparable to Cronal, Sidious fears Gethzerio, Mother Talzi is equal to Sidious, Krayt at his peak dwarfs him in power for being able to fight Abeloth, Darth Caedusand Lumiya (Who i am also working on) are equal to Luke when he fought and defeated Sidious

Luke is far stronger than Yoda, Jaina Solo is equal to Caedus, Depa Billaba was equal to Mace Windu, i'll post more when i find them
 
vitiate was called the strongest yes. dont even disagree on that. then we have plageuis being called the strongest after him, so he is at least equal to him (which we dont talk or list about, for some reason). if we go by the fact that he considers jedi doou a threat, and yoda is stronger than dooku, then we know that vitiate cant be as strong as either mace windu, yoda, or even sidious during the phantom menace. and sith dooku could actually be moved up to 4B given how many of his statements are almost the same as windu's. ( thanks for making cronal, btw. hope to see that. have been waiting for it tbh lol). kar vastor is strongest than mace, so he is 4B, and cronal is stronger than him according to u, so cronal is also 4B. since vader is stronger than both, he should also be 4B alongside starkiller. since anakin is equal to vastor according to windu, rots anakin is also 4B. as per a new hope, vader is even stronger than anakin, so he is yet again 4B, and since old kenobi fought him, old kenobi is also 4B. as for caedus and lumiya- neither gave force based trouble to luke at all. like, absolutly nothing, so they should not, i repeat, should scale to luke, but should scale to kyp durron who has force powers comparable to old man kenobi, which would make him 4B, and since caedus is stronger than that, he stays in 4B. i dont disagree with him being 4B, i disagree with him scaling to luke. and jaina is not equal to caedus. she herself and luke say so. at max, she would be 4B by scaling off of kyp durron as well, but she is not as strong as him at all. ever. and depa bilaba does not scale to mace since the fight was purely light saber based as far as i remember. she would scale above kit fisto and such, but nothing more, i think. and last but not least, exar kun being stronger than any other person in the jedi order excluding luke would also make him 4B, since he is stronger than kyp durron. tell me what u think. sorry for the long essay lol
 
>then we have plageuis being called the strongest after him, so he is at least equal to him (which we dont talk or list about, for some reason)

My dude. That statement is literally only on the back cover of the book, nowhere else. Never in-universe is Plagueis stated to be the strongest Sith.

To counter the rest of that mess simply; Vader is not that strong.
 
Also just a reminder that Starkiller, who outright kills Vader in the Dark Side ending of The Force Unleashed, got utterly destroyed by Sidious like immediately.
 
i love how u say that, but have given absolutly nothing to back that up. btw, im out unless u actually start trying. i dont really care what u guys here in the wiki think, so long as it isnt ridiculous. i can live with people having different opinions, but not when they are shoved down my throat
 
How exactly am i supposed to back up stuff that doesnt exist in the first place?

BTW there is currently a blog in the works explaining why Vader is not 4-B
 
I agree since I was brutally shaken down for a reply on discord
 
I don't really know EU Starwars I was just asked to comment and I think it's fine
 
Sidious is consistently called and shown to be the strongest Sith. There may be people that approach him but I don't think anyone ever tops or equals his strength.
 
@Qawsedf There are people that Sidious is canonically terrified of, who are canonically stated to be equal to or stronger than him, or have feats that far surpass him
 
I don't remember Sidious being afraid of anyone in his DE incarnation and I don't remember any feats (outside of the Force Beings like The Ones of Mortis) having better showings than him.

Also when was Caedus stated to surpass him? From memory Darth Lumiya only compared him to Vader's strength.
 
Cronal is outright stated by Luke to be equal in power to Sidious

Kar Vastor is outright stated to be stronger, faster and more powerful than Mace Windu and is stated to be comparable to Cronal

Sidious fears Gethzerio

Mother Talzi is equal to Sidious

Krayt at his peak dwarfs him in power for being able to fight Abeloth

Darth Caedus and Lumiya are equal to Luke when he fought and defeated Sidious
 
Luke was superior to his previous self who defeated Sidious when he fought Caedus
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Cronal is outright stated by Luke to be equal in power to Sidious
Kar Vastor is outright stated to be stronger, faster and more powerful than Mace Windu and is stated to be comparable to Cronal
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This is what I mean. Mace Windu with an amp is a direct equal to a weaker version of Sidious. So why should they be placed above DE Sidious?

Sidious fears Gethzerion

Mother Talzin is equal to Sidious

Both of those statements happened before Dark Empire though

Krayt at his peak dwarfs him in power for being able to fight Abeloth

Darth Caedus and Lumiya are equal to Luke when he fought and defeated Sidious

Didn't Krayt force drain her? I don't really remember the fight well so I can't comment. But Caedus was pretty easily stomped by Luke and only did well when he was distracted by something to my memory.
 
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