The Creator Vs Tiamat (Tokyo Babel)

Well, Bambu Asked about a match between both so that why i'am here. This is a battle for the strongest 2-B Characters for the 2nd spot. nothing is Equalized, both at Full power (Tiamath Lilith form) and both start at 46 Billion of LY away

Tiamat Lilith is the strongest 2-B in TB tho

ZacharyGrossman273 said:

Tiamat Lilith is the strongest 2-B in TB tho

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This is the one who actually fight tho

@The Causality

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@Schnee Hm? Tiamat Lilith is the form who fight the Creator in this versus, nothing less, nothing more.

Oh, didn't notice the profiles got merged

Me neither

The profile is basically composite now, there is no info on what abilities Tiamat's 2 previous forms have, we just know about Tiamat-Lilith, so i just combined everything.

Anyway sort of confused what makes wizard101 have type 2 concept manipulation, what i have seen is for stuff like being conceptual embodiments and being able to destroy concept embodiments, maybe i am missing something.

All the infos i have about it's that:

It dont look type 2 but maybe we miss something

Looks like type 3 to me.

let's put this aside for now, would you start the matches with arg what T-Lilith can do?

We literally know nothing about the creator and how he is in fights, apart from the fact that he's stronger than the cosmic 3 and he is beyond even their understanding. Best we can really do is assume how he'll fight.

Grandmother Raven's concepts, and Grandfather Spider's concepts, govern and form the entirety of reality. Spider's chaos and shadow was used to form everything evil in existence, and Raven's light and order were used to form everything good; Reality needs to two to exist for everything to be maintained. But of course, they can control their concepts however they wish. Alteration of their concepts can throw all of existence and especially magic as a whole out of balance (There are 8 different forms of magic), in a similar case to how the death of The Storm Titan (Embodiment of storm magic) threw the system of magic across reality out of balance

It was implied us defeating Grandfather Spider, affected Shadow Magic, and messed with universal laws in some way, although it hasn't been revealed how. The Creator was the one who created Raven and Spider

This sounds like Type 3 rather than Type 2 Concept Hax tbh

Concept Manipulation

2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.

"These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists within" "and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts"

Grandmother Raven's light and order shapes all of the good in reality, all it's laws (The Spiral works on the laws of magic rather than the laws of physics) and all it's rules, and the order in which everything should operate. If she were to die, "light would be lost forever and the cycle of existence and how existence should operate will be destroyed". Grandfather Spider's Shadow and Chaos shape all of it's evil: His Shadow Magic is the "grand" form of magic, and has dominan over the others. He was half of what made The Storm Titan, and even his death affected all forms of magic across reality.

Multiple characters have stated that Grandfather Spider's shadow and chaos forms everything in reality. His shadow magic's main purpose is to Manipulate, refine and rebuild reality in which ever way he see's fit. Everything in the universe participates in his shadows. His Chaos was used to charge reality's essence.

"In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown."

The Storm Titan, who is the embodiment of Storm Magic much like how Raven embodies Light and Order, upon his death, had storm magic messed with and altered. With this, the entire system of Magic was affected and thrown out of balance. Us even harming Grandfather Spider messed with Reality in some way (It hasn't been stated how yet).

Honestly seems like Type 3 rather than Type 2 IMO but you can ask Assaltwaffle or Kaltias for input on this

If a concept shapes all of reality (Which Spider's shadow magic and Raven's order does), and everything in said reality acts apart of it, and it's manipulation or affecting it affects everything else, then it is type 2. But I have asked Assalt

Bump

I asked Assalt and Katalis:

They both said if the concept they embdoy can survive/remain indepndent even if the multiverse/the object's the concept's form are destroyed, then it is type 2, if it can't survive the destruction, then it is type 3.

We can scale this from Spider, who embodies shadow and chaos: His conceptual chaos heart was going to blow up the multiverse anyway, but his chaos and shadow would have remained intact even if it was all to be swept away. Scales to Raven's concepts as they are equals, and also her conceptual law forming the laws of magic, and her concept did survive when Storm Magic was destroyed and the entire system of magic was dismantled (Her law isn't the laws of physics, it's the laws of magic), and scales to The Creator since he created them, and can of course destroy them if he wanted.