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The Player (Wizard101) Acausality (Type 4) and Abstract Existence

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Basically The Player (Wizard101) should have Acausality (Type 4)

https://imgur.com/a/dY6W1zy

WoG stated as the Divine Pardox "Cosmic rules don't apply to you. You're outside the regular order of things"

Keep in mind, the divine paradox is created via Bartleby's magic, and put's The Player as a God, standing alongside Grandfather Spider , Grandmother Rave and Bartleby, whom already Acausality (Type 4) for similar reasonings listed here (Existing outside the linear passage of time, and being unbound by the wheel of existence, which itself views time as an illusion)

https://imgur.com/a/Wa0P0PO

https://imgur.com/a/WiXVcoq

https://imgur.com/a/LD8r9OO

TLDR

The Player exists on the same level as the three cosmic beings, whom are unbound by the linear passage of time and "exist" outside of existence, and WoG backs this up by saying cosmic rules don't apply to him and he's outside the regular order of things

Also in the first scan it's stated (Killing the embodiment of storm magic), affected storm magic across reality, which can be added as further justification for his concept manipulation

Edit:

Grandfather Spider and Raven currently have Type 2 Abstract Existence, but I think they should be updated to type 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpkzCdoqipE&feature=youtu.be&t=179

WoG states Spider is shadow and Chaos and Raven is Light and Order

https://imgur.com/a/ivKc6AE

Their bodies are non-physical; made of pure magic

https://imgur.com/a/XajZKT9

Without Spider's Shadow and Chaos, the spiral's existence will be affected

https://youtu.be/cp_NSmrusPs?t=742

Grandmother Raven's light and order forms the spiral's reality and Grandfather Spider's Chaos was used to charge the spiral's essence

And The Storm Titan was called forth to destroy Chaos and Shadow itself, in order to destroy Grandfather Spider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXxGHLGypos&feature=youtu.be&t=162

Morganthe says Shadow Magic forms reality

https://www.wizard101.com/game/shadow-magic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK8...list=PLzll4QfOo2aCBQVUkbymixLmkAuJ9NDn7&t=735

And bending shadow magic will have drastic effects on reality- Affecting it's refinement and rebuilding etc.

A) They aren't physical and made of pure magic

B) The concepts they embody form reality

C) Destroying them will affect reality and lead to the destruction of existence

EVERYTHING ABOVE HAS BEEN FINISHED. NEW STUFF BELOW

So apparently being unbound by time would make the God Tiers have Immeasurable speed

https://imgur.com/a/Wa0P0PO

Mortals view time as linear; Going to the past to the future

https://imgur.com/a/WiXVcoq

Time is however is an illusion, and the great wheel of existence is unbound by the illusion of time

https://imgur.com/a/LD8r9OO

But even beyond that wheel of existence, exist light and order (Grandmother Raven) and shadow and Chaos (Grandfather Spider)

https://youtu.be/BJya94f7oSc?t=3968

A mortal explains this here. "Too our limited percpetions, time is a line, from the past to the future [...] from outside a mortal vantage point (Spider, Raven, Bartleby and The Creator) existence is a flattened circle, a wheel. Raven made the rings of mandella to remind us of this" Meaning she isn't limited by the perception of time
 
Acausality seems fine, though the way it's worded seems like it could possibly be type 5.
 
5 has "existing outside of the causality of a system" as part of the definition. The first statement basically outright says it.

4 is definitely a safer bet though.
 
Seems type 4 is okay, but I'll ask other staff about type 5 before I ask for this to be applied. Edit: I also included an Abstract Existence revision
 
Type 4 seems fine enough for now, at least.

Type 1, sure.
 
Hold up.

Unless if I'm missing something, then going by this: (Existing outside the linear passage of time, and being unbound by the wheel of existence, which itself views time as an illusion), they should have immeasurable speed.
 
Well, speed in the verse is literally impossible to say, hence the stats on the God Tier's pages

WoG believes they don't need to teleport, they just manefiest where they want (But he did say that's his opinion and he doesn't know)

In verse, a character has existed before the concept of time and before existence which implies infinite speed

And by scaling from something infinitely weaker than them, they are 73 quadrillion times FTL. Hence "Unknown. At least MFTL+, likely Infinite" on their page.

As for this.... I'm not sure if that's immeasurable, will have to ask staff.
 
If they exist unbound by time, their movement wouldn't be restricted by it. So yeah, immeasurable speed.

Infinite speed characters are still bound by linear time, as time = 0.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
If they exist unbound by time, their movement wouldn't be restricted by it. So yeah, immeasurable speed.
Infinite speed characters are still bound by linear time, as time = 0.
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I agree
 
Welp, that's one staff in agreeance with Immeasurable speed. I updated the OP for the immeasurable speed stuff.
 
Yeah Immeasurable seems reasonable.
 
When you thought about immeasurable speed in your head but you didn't say anything because you thought it sounded like wank but it ends up being legit. If accepted

Bartleby: At least Immeasurable (blah blah blah beyond time), possibly Omnipresent (Heart connected to the entire universe blah blah. Roots connected to all words ye ye)

Raven, spider, Creator, Player: Immeasurable (Beyond time blah blah blah)

Scales to Creator because he's the supreme being of the verse. Scales to Bartleby because he said he can slap Raven if he was at full power
 
I also think that this seems to make sense.
 
I agree that these are all fine.
 
I will unlock the pages. Tell me here when you are done.
 
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