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Selesia vs Hackmon

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Let's try two haxxed High 8-C character

Hackmon vs Selesia inside Vogelchevalier

Speed Equalized

Hackmon (Rei Katsura):

Selesia Upitiria:

Inconclusive: 8 (Dragonmasterxyz, Assaltwaffle, Lancer45Man, DragonEmperor23, Gargoyle One, First Witch, Dragoo Faust, Iapitus The Impaler)

Hackmon (Appmon)
Selesia Mech Rendered
 
What does she start with? Does she have a defense for Hackmon's hacking?
 
From what I remember the few times we've seen her ride Vogelchevalier she has always started with some normal energy blast or sword swings. After a while she'll start using her haxxier abilities such as Ionian Aphoria.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
What does she start with? Does she have a defense for Hackmon's hacking?
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IIRC It took the population of Japan or something to cause any changes to her status last time people tried to information manip her into changing.
 
Well they both have ways of winning, so it really depends on what Hackmon wants to lead with. If he leads with Power Null it gets dicey. Selesia still has decently higher AP, so in a war of brute force she wins. That said if he does Power Null off the bat he has a higher chance of landing a Vanquish Claw and doing critical damage.

But if he tries to examine he information first he is going eat to Energy Bullet Volley, Toufekia Omnipotens, or Astrius Becade and take huge damage. That will probably buy Selesia enough time to use Ionion Aphoria or Pattern of the Contract to seal the deal and give her the win.

I'd say Selesia has this 7/10 times with what I currently know about Hackmon.
 
Hackmon uses his Hacking off the bat in character. In his fight with DeZipmon (A 6-C btw) all he did was hack his attacks in order to make them do completely diferent things.
 
@Monarch

Well she needed approval to change the way she is because of the verse's mechanics, but that's no guarentee that she can resist some outside entity's influence. In fact Altair does it to her to rewrite her sword into a flower.

@DragonMaster

Ah, so it's contact based with tendrils. Then yeah, my vote absolutely goes to Selesia.
 
OK, so that definitely helps, but does it stop her from just blowing him back with her AP advantage? How long does that hacking last?
 
Yes, it does as her attacks (ranged ones) would all be modified to be harmless, her getting up close would leave her basically subject to Vaquish Claw. (Which defeated that 6-C opponent btw)

It's never had a time limit IIRC.
 
So does that attack modification have a limit? He went up to stopping 3 attacks but Selesia has more than. She has 6 special attacks in Vogelchevalier, and all give her a win con. Energy Bullet Volley, Omnipotens, and Becade just do massive damage at range, but Christos Chronos, Ionion Aphoria, and Pattern of the Contract are all instawins.
 
Once again, never a specified limit. He just completely changes the attack at launch to make it do something else.
 
Yeah, I get that part, but it looks like he is typing on keyboards to stop them. Certainly his keyboard skills are going to fail him eventually.
 
Actually, they never have as he is pretty much able to keep with the action real well (As you can see, he can hack without needing to look at the Keyboard). Not to mention that Teleportation Hack he used (that I never noticed before). Not to mention that Hackmon can hack without Rei as well. Hackmon seems to target the attack, but also the lauch of the attack as well.
 
That's pretty potent. I do think the lead of Selesia, which is Energy Bullet Volley, will be too quick to stop. Unlike her other attacks, she doesn't need to say anything to activate it, but rather just raise her arm. Even if he does stop it, he will have gotten hit by several of them and taken significant damage.

And while he is recoiling for the damage after having stopped it he need to either get ready to deal with a physical rush or Omnipotens.

I will admit that if he can prevent plenty of attacks she probably won't even be able to get off Ionion Aphoria, since that chant is decently long. Still, although Hackmon can win this, I think Selesia has an pretty good AP advantage that can snowball into a win if Hackmon isn't careful.
 
Just watched the Video and the hacking part is not instant from the looks of it. Everytime when Rei initiates the hack, two parallel lines seemed to go towards the target in the ground before his attacks are changed. IMO that's contact based and dodgeable from what it seems.
 
At the same time, this guy is fighting a giant mech as well. He's not gonna hesitate to hack the moment it starts moving. Dodging is viable via BFRing himself as well.

Honestly, this is a real close fight. If Selesia makes one wrong move, she gets hacked to death. If Rei and Hackmon make a wrong move, they get wrecked by her pure power.

Selesia's issue is that she's dealing with someone who has one "All in One" ability that is extremely powerful, a teleportation skill, and a move that bypasses durability.

Hackmon has to deal with the AP advantage, but has the means to counter these things and can use his other techniques to dodge or gain an upper hand. He can make so that instead of fire balls, she shoots out like cotton candy or Zoo Animals (or accidently Altair. Wouldn't that be some shit?)

Basically, the first move and first reaction decides this fight. I vote Inconclusive.
 
Lancer45Man said:
Just watched the Video and the hacking part is not instant from the looks of it. Everytime when Rei initiates the hack, two parallel lines seemed to go towards the target in the ground before his attacks are changed. IMO that's contact based and dodgeable from what it seems.
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It's actually as long as she is within the line of those lines as we never see them make contact with DeZipmon. He was just over them.
 
That's a good point. This is such a nail biter that I think inconclusive works.

Unless she shoots out Altair then they both get absolutely bopped
 
So.....if she shoots out Altair...does that count as a Selesia victory since she shot her out? Or is it a Hackmon victory as his hacking summoned her?

Thinking Face Emoji grande
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
A re creators match that isn't altair, 10/10 thread.
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Brace yourself for when that revision hits; she getting some wins under her belt against some big bois.
 
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