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The Batman Who Laughs vs. Mister Fantastic

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Mister Fantastic

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I learned that the difference between living and dying is managing fear. Not being so afraid of losing the things you love that you hold them too tight. I used to believe in universal contraction. Entropy and the end of all things. Well, I changed my mind. I'm letting go. Because now I believe in expansion. I believe we endure. Don't you see? Everything lives.
~ Mister Fantastic​
Powers and Stats

Tier: High 7-A, up to 2-A with preparation time

Name: Reed Richards, Mr. Fantastic

Origin: Marvel Comics

Gender: Male

Age: Middle aged, likely in his 40s or 50s

Classification: Human Mutate, Leader of the Fantastic Four, Member of the Illuminati

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Elasticity, Resistance to Electricity Manipulation, Can mathematically predict his opponents' movements in advance

Attack Potency: Small Island level (Can fight against those that can harm him), up to Multiverse level+ with preparation time (Created a weapon which nullifies Cosmic Cubes. Built an Anti-Galactus Mech. Created a weapon that can kill Celestials. Has his own Ultimate Nullifier.)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic combat and reaction speed (Reacted to meteors, meaning he can dodge Mach 251.1529544 attacks from 1 meter away)

Lifting Strength: Unknow when buffed

Striking Strength: Small Island Class

Durability:
Small Island level (Tanked the antimatter-explosion of his spacesuit)

Stamina: Significantly above human level

Range: 4.8 km maximum stretching distance, several hundred meters for most attacks

Standard Equipment: His uniform (made of unstable molecules that stretches along with him, has an on-board computer with translator, remote controls for FF equipment and a digital interface, the suit also makes them resistant to some transmutation powers), in possession of the Power Gem but would never use it

Intelligence: Supergenius. He has created machines and devices far beyond anything else on earth, including time machines, FTL spaceships, dimensional portals, robots with power above Herald level, planetbusting weapons, multiversal computers, reality warping devices, discovered teleportation devices, discovered scientific principles far in advance of the rest of the world and even advanced alien races, devices that can harm cosmic beings, successfully convinced alien races to spare the life of Galactus when he was dying, fluent in multiple languages including alien languages, has a Ph.D. in practically every field imaginable (some of which he invented), master of psychology, often considered to be the smartest person on the Marvel Earth, with the possible exception of the High Evolutionary.

Weaknesses: Will undergo pain and injury if his body is stretched more than 3 miles, vulnerable to extreme heat and cold, sometimes has trouble understanding magic, vulnerable to energy blasts and weapons

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

  • Elasticity: Reed can move his body through small openings, buff himself up to gain superhuman strength, and even imitate the appearance of another person or an inanimate object. He can also change his shape in mid-combat to react against the enemy's attacks or even counter them (i.e. turning into spikes). He can also change his size and volume at will to grow into massive proportions quickly, gaining a proportionate amount of strength in the process.
  • Ricochet: Reed can curl himself into a ball and ricochet off hard surfaces into opponents at high speed. Reed can precisely calculate the angle in order to hit the enemy for certain.
  • Suffocate: Reed can wrap his body around opponents, trapping and suffocating them.
  • Slingshot: Reed can use his body like a giant rubber band, flinging himself, his allies, or his enemies at high speed in any direction.
  • Reflect: Reed's body can stretch to absorb physical projectiles like bullets, then reflect them back at the attacker.
  • Super Breath: By expanding his lungs, Reed can inhale a massive amount of air and blow it out with great force.
The Batman Who Laughs

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Powers and Stats

Tier: 9-A. 5-A with weaponry. Possibly 2-A with preparation

Name: Bruce Wayne, Batman, The Batman Who Laughs

Origin: DC Comics

Gender: Male

Age: Unknown

Classification: Dark Knight, Denizen of the Dark Multiverse

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Weapon Mastery, Genius Intelligence, Preparation, Master Hand-to-Hand Combatant, Preparation, Reality Warping with Dark Metal Cards (The cards he distributed are able to fulfill the holder's desires, converting large sections of Gotham City into nightmarish forms of the preferred domains of Batman's greatest rogues), Mind Manipulation, Morality Manipulation, Death Manipulation, and Status Effect Inducement with Joker Venom. Resistance to Sleep Manipulation. Can breathe underwater.

Attack Potency: Small Building level (Traded blows with the main universe Batma and is biologically identical to him). Large Planet level with weaponry (Knocked out Wonder Woman with an Eight Metal gu). Possibly Multiverse level+ with preparation (Possesses a guide on how to destroy the multiverse along with Multiversity, implied to have killed the Spectre off-panel)

Speed: At least Hypersonic (comparable to Batman)

Lifting Strength: Unknow

Striking Strength:
Small Building Class

Durability:
Small Building level (Took hits from both Batman and the Joker.)

Stamina: Superhuman

Range: Standard melee range normally, higher with gadgets

Standard Equipment: Dark Metal Cards, Joker venom, Eigth Metal gun, dual machine guns, Black Kryptonie, Batmobile, Dark Robins

Intelligence: As the Batman of Earth -22, The Batman Who Laughs' intellect is only matched by his fiendish cunning and pragmatic ruthlessness. Now completely unhinged and free of any moral fiber to dictate his choices, he was able to single-handedly wage war on the entire world, wiping out the entire Justice League with ease and is even implied to have killed cosmic entities like The Spectre in his rampage. As the most trusted lieutenant of Barbatos, he is privy to all of the evil god's plans, successfully playing the Justice League of Earth-0 for fools and causing them to do everything he needed to fulfill his goal of destroying the multiverse until they obtained the Tenth Metal. Aside from his terrifying intellect and stratagem, he retains his status as one of the finest hand-to-hand combatants on Earth, easily overwhelming his Prime Earth counterpart until the latter received help from his own version of the Joker.

Weaknesses: Due to Earth -22's citizens vibrating at an opposite frequency to Nth Metal, his body is badly damaged upon contact with it.
I'm not sure if this a stomp. But I wanna try it anyways.

Both have 20 days of prep, Speed Equalized.

Who wins?

The Bruce Wayne Who Laughs: 0

Reed Richards: 0
 
Mr Fantastic with a decisive win.

Prep time effects for Mr Fantastic and This Batman should cancel out each other so this turns back to base Mr Fantastic vs base Btaman, which base Mr Fantastic wins.
 
Yeah, not only going with the Fantastic Four for reasons above, but also for having the Ultimate Nullifier alone puts at a tier of 2-A that's way above what we've seen Batman do (Since his 2-A is mostly implied, unlike Richards straight up Multivere+ buster)
 
Tfw fantastic is smarter than Doom, apparently, but doesn't have prep feats of being tier 1s

Fantastic FRA, as is.
 
Also, this is 8 to 0 for Mr. Fantastic. Grace begins then it can be added
 
Normally I don't agree with the outcome of this debate sooner or later I will be doing a rematch or redux of this.
 
Considering this took almost an year to complete, good luck trying to get votes ig
 
Yeah, but until then this should be added. It is a valid conclusion for one side, and the pages aren't changed significantly. Comic characters rarely get matches anyway. No point in robbing them of little glories they hardly get.
 
Zark2099 said:
Yeah, but until then this should be added. It is a valid conclusion for one side, and the pages aren't changed significantly. Comic characters rarely get matches anyway. No point in robbing them of little glories they hardly get.
No need for you to repeat it again. It's gonna take a while.
 
Blue Atheist Bendy man w/ a walkie-talkie for a 2-A weapon FRA
 
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