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Mami vs Doraemon: No head vs 129.3-cm circumference head (1 more vote needed)

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... Please don't kill me for the title

Anyway, I guess it's my turn to jump the Mami bandwagon as well :^)

No head girl: Base form (Mountai)

129.3-cm head robot: Used the Big Light to become large enough to become Mami's equal in AP and dura (Note: He could become Multi-Continent when he grew to only the size of an island, so while big, this Mountai form should be nowhere as big as the Everest)

Doraemon can use these gadgets in this fight

  • Reflecting Mantle: Manipulates waves to deflect all attacks, energy-based or physical, from the user. Can be used to send the attack back to the opponent. Can only reflects attacks coming from 1 direction.
  • Daruma Mallet: Allows the user to detach parts of a living being's body in similar fashion to the game daruma otoshi without damaging the target.
  • Doubling Hammer: A small hammer that divides a person into 2 people by knocking on their head. The copy will have a lighter colour than the original. Knocking the copy's head with the hammer will undo the duplication.
  • Shadow Ball: A ball that produces a bright light when thrown. Anyone's shadow produced from this light becomes 3-dimensional and tangible, and will do any tasks given by the real person. The shadow is completely identical to the real person in personality, so if the real person has a phobia of a certain thing, that same thing will also terrify the shadow who can even abandon the given task out of fear. The shadow is also identical to the real person in physical prowess, although if the shadow is larger than the real person due to the light being produced at a certain angle, the shadow will also be stronger due to its larger size. The shadow disappears after 30 minutes.
  • Air Canno: A gun barrel worn on the arm used to fire a powerful burst of air which can knock out the victim when the user says "bang".
  • Flamethrower: A weapon that can quickly turn an entire building of reinforced concrete and metal into ashes when at standard size.
  • Lightning Cloud: A man-sized cloud that floats in the air and can be pulled with a rope like a balloon. If the rope is pulled with strong force, the cloud projects lightning that can give a person mild burn.
  • Bashou Fa: User can create strong winds that can send a human flying with little effort using this fan. A small flap can create a gust strong enough to send a person flying when at standard size.
  • Shock Stick: A stick that mimics the appearance of the stone spear utilized by prehistoric humans. It is actually made of plastic and therefore lighter than the real stone spear. The handle has a button that when pushed projects electricity enough to make an elephant faint when at standard size.
  • Cupid's Bow and Arrows (M-3): Anyone struck with the arrow falls in love with the shooter, regardless of gender. Removing the arrow from their body undoes the effect.
  • Empathy Orchestra: A band of robots that play music. This music can change the emotions of the user and can even be used to boost morale and courage. Prior to the fight, due to prep Doraemon used this to remove his psychological weaknesses.
  • Air Shoes: Allow the user to walk on air. User can descend or ascend at will.
  • Pocket Forcefield: A sphere that when activated creates an invisible forcefield 2 m in radius around the user. By allowing things with certain characters in their names, user can allow these things to enter the forcefield. This forcefield is bullet-proof and can withstand the full-speed charge of a car without a scratch when at standard size.
  • Ace Cap: Objects thrown by the user of this cap will always land on their target, even if the user throws them in the opposite direction of the target or doesn't even know the target's location.
  • Illusion Shower: Anyone coated in the water coming out of this shower head manipulates refraction of light. The user's actual body becomes invisible to another person's eyes, and refraction of light projects into their eyes the image of the user several meters away from the actual person. Using the shower again undoes the effect.
  • Watercycline: Pills that grant the user's body elemental intangibility. 1 pill turns the body into liquid, while 2 pills turns the body into gas. Both states afford the user intangibility, and the gas state also has pseudo-flight due to being extremely light. The liquid state can be absorbed, while the gas state can be blown apart by strong winds. In both states, lack of care means the user may lose the cohesion of their body. The effect wears off after 1 hour.
  • Electric Automatic Sword: A sword that can predict the opponent's movements and provide counter-attack. The sword acts automatically and guides the user's hand, and therefore the user's concentration is not needed. It can run out of batteries quite quickly, however.
  • Talent Cassettes: A collection of cassettes, each containing the data about a specific human talent. When a cassette about a talent is inserted into a person, the body registers that talent, turning the user into a master of that talent. Only 1 cassette can be use at a time. In this fight Doraemon starts with Martial Arts cassette.
  • Memory Stick: Allows user to erase the target's memory of events that happened during a certain time period that the user chooses.
  • Hypnosis Glasses: A pair of glasses that allow the user to hypnotise opponents and even themself through a mirror. If the opponent can't hear the user's command, the glasses don't work.
  • Kikai-ka-ki: Grants the user the abilities of mechanical devices. Prior to the fight it was used to give Doraemon the precognitive ability of the Surukoto Lens.
  • Surukoto Lens: When the user points these lens toward a living being, they will show the visuals of what the target plans to do shortly after.
  • Small Light: A flashlight that shrinks down whatever its light touches. It has been shown in multiple storylines to be capable of shrinking down anything to microscopic size comparable to cells. Effect wears off after 1 hour.
  • Big Light: Doraemon already used this at the beginning to achieve the size with Mountai AP and Dura as stated above.
  • Adaptation Light: A ray gun that emits a light that allows user to survive in harsh environments such as the deep sea, the cold glacier or outer space. It also allows user to breath in environments without oxygen. The effect wears off after 24 hours.
  • Halving Sword: This sword turns whatever coming into contact with its blade into 2 smaller versions that are exactly half the size and power of the original being without damaging it.
  • Sound Solidifier: Any word/ character spoken from the user's mouth becomes tangible and solid and flies toward the opponent at the speed of sound. The solidified characters are not heavy but still can knock-out a normal human when at standard size.
  • Flattening Steam Iro: Anyone and anything coming into contact with this steam iron gets completely flatten but unharmed. Getting sprayed by water undoes the effect. The target simply becomes a life-size poster of themself, unable to move and as light as paper.
  • Judo Black-belt: Wearing this belt makes the user automatically judo-throw anyone that touches them. It also enhances the user's physical strength, as a 4th-grader can throw a car while wearing this belt. User will however have no control of it and can even throw allies if they touch the user.
  • Laughing Flea: A robotic flea that makes anyone it clings to laugh uncontrollably.
  • Dream Gu: Anyone shot with this gun will fall into a short slumber in which they will dream about having their task completed. Upon waking up, under the impression that they have finished the task, they abandon the actual task still unfinished.
  • Shock Gun/ Stun Gu: A gun that stuns/ shocks enemies. It does not work on the undead.
  • Esper Cap: A cap that grants the user the abilities of teleportation, telekinesis and seeing through objects.
  • Time-stop Watch: Allows the user to stop the flow of time completely, with only the user able to move in stopped time. User can also allow certain things to move in stopped time by touching them with the watch. Doraemon's gadgets can work in stopped time. The only way to let time flow is to click the watch again. The watch malfunctioning does not undo the time stop.
  • Material-changing Light: Allows the user to transmute the material of something into something else, while retaining its visual appearance. For example: paper can be turned into glass, cars can be turned into paper. Breaking the device does not undo the effect. It is also only shown to work on non-living beings.
  • Robotic Boxing Arms: A pair of robotic arms that can be attached to the user's shoulders, acting as an extra pair of arms. They automatically protect user from attackers using boxing techniques.
  • Jumbo Gu: A gun that can one shot a tank when at standard size.
  • Invisible Hand: An invisible robotic arm that can be attached to any place of the body, and can extend for 10 m when at standard size.
  • Spring Spray: Anyone sprayed with this gas can bounce off from physical blunt attacks without getting hurt, just like a spring. A human sprayed with this gas can jump from a multiple-storey building and bounce between buildings without getting hurt, although the user will have no control over the direction and cannot stop unless they land on an area soft enough.
  • Glue Gu: A gun that shoots out a strong adhesive that restrains movements of anything shot by it.
If any of the gadgets listed makes this a stomp for Doraemon, I'll restrict it.

1 prep day for both. No knowledge.

Speed equalized.

In character, willing to win.

Fight on a Japan-sized uninhabited island. Starting distance is 1 km.

Standard Victory Conditions minus BFR

Mami - 7 (Kal, Gar, Homu, Rebuble, Velox, Shiro, ALRF)

Doraemon - 0

Inconclusive - 0
 
Doraemon wins via using Daruma Mallet on Mami's head

  • Wall of text incoming ovo*
Reflecting Mantle: Countered by Gun of Aegis as they do the same

Doubling Hammer: Probably not a factor if it requires CQC

Shadow Ball: countered by Mami's own duplication.

Air Cannon: KO is unlikely to work due to the nature of Mami's body and Soul Gem immortality

Flamethrower: Can be reflected or blocked with shields:

Lightning Cloud: Can be dodged/blocked/reflected

Bashou Fan: Can be countered by anchoring herself to the terrain with a ribbon

Shock Stick: Basically in the same ballpark as the Air Cannon (Worth noting that Mami is leagues above Sayaka stamina wise, who can fight for days).

Cupid's Bow/Arrows: Countered by her resistance to mind manip given that Mami resists mindscrew that can also manipulate your emotions

Empathic Orchestra: ^

Air Shoes: Mami can't fly but she has an excellent ranged game, is used to fight flying enemies, and can jump pretty high herself.

Pocket Forcefield: How strong is it? And legit, would Doraemon fit inside it if it's only 2 m of radius?

Ace Cap: Actually extremely dangerous due to Mami's horrible durability, but countered by forcefield/shield/attack reflection.

Ilusion Shower: Mami's sensing counters the natural invisibilty of witches

Martial Arts Cassette: CQC won't be so useful, and even then, Mami fought enemies of the caliber of Homura, Kyoko and Yachiyo, who are all extremely skilled combatant and always won.

Memory Stick: Mind resistance helps i think?

Hypnosis Glasses: Mind resistance again

Surukoto Lens: Big issue, but Mami did managed to beat someone who knew her entire arsenal even better than Mami herself does, so it won't help too much

Adaptation Light: Mami doesn't use stuff like heat, cold or BFR to space

Halving Sword: Not that big of a factor if it requires contact

Sound Solidifier: MHS sound via speed equal ovo. Being serious, it can be reflected/intercepted/blocked

Flattening Steam Iron: Basically the same as the Halving Sword

Judo Black-Belt: Not too useful when they are unlikely to get in CQC to begin with

Laughning Flea: I mean, shoot it down as it approach

Dream Gun: Mami's Status Resistance does not include Sleep, however it shouldn't work unless it affects the Soul Gem which is the thing that remotely contol her body

Shock/Stun Gun: Magical girls are undeads

Esper Cap: Is the teleportation spammable (And even then, Mami has already beaten people with a huge mobility advantage like Kyoko/False Kyoko)? Telekinesis is countered by Mami's own

Material-Changing Light: Does it work from a long distance and can Mami still move even if affected?

Robotic Boxing Arms: Useful for Doraemon's own defense, not too much for offensive purposes

Jumbo Gun: Unless it has some huge AoE, Mami simply dodges (We are talking about someone who is used to fighting people who can one shot her all the time)

Invisible Hand: Basically a extra Robotic Boxing Arm

Spring Spray: Extremely useful against bullets, not so useful against ribbons

Glue Gun: Dodge it. It's a bit of enviromental damage but nothing that Mami can't handle.

Time-Stop Watch: While this thing is basically Mami's kryptonite, prep means that this is actually extremely likely to backfire on Doraemon just like it did with Homura (Fight a clone and gets ribbon trapped).

Worth pointing out that Mami with two minutes of prep made a fool of someone with a decade of experience knowing her, her techniques, how to counter them,and how her powers work. So i'm inclined to say that she is the one who can exploit prep time better.

So i'll give this one to Mami thanks to efficient counters to Doraemon's powers, combat skills, and ribbon trap clone to counter time stop.
 
Kaltias said:
Doraemon wins via using Daruma Mallet on Mami's head
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Vote counted for Doraemon ovo

Anyway:

Pocket Force-field's radius is 2 m when at NORMAL size. I did note Doraemon is equal to Mami AP and dura wise in this fight because Giant form, and this force-field >>> Doraemon's natural dura anyway

Material Changing Light works regardless of distance as long as it touches the target, since it's literally light. It can always transmute Mami's ribbons and guns too

I mean if it's too one-sided for Mami, I can always add more gadgets for Doraemon to make it more interesting
 
So the forcefield is enlarged accordingly? That could be a issue, although it may be possible to nullify it via ribbon trap (Seriously, the thing nullified even the reality warping of Nightmare Hitomi)

But is light lightspeed with equalizatio Arguably her magic resistance can help given that it's the reason why witches can't simply reality warp magical girls away (they can do that to normal people). But mostly I meant if changing her material also works as petrification or something like that.

I mean I don't think that it's one-sided, it simply seems that she has a better chance
 
Perhaps I worded poorly regarding the force-field. I mean Doraemon's NATURAL/ no gadget AP and Dura are equal to Mami's AP because Giant form, but the force-field is naturally higher than Doraemon's dura which in this match is equal to Mami's AP, meaning it can withstand Mami's attacks as well as his own attacks sent back to him. Electric Automatic Sword, Surukoto Lens and Robotic Boxing Arms can defend Doraemon against those things as well.

When I made this match I considered giving Doraemon Existence Erasure, Fear Manipulation, Intangibility, High-Mid regen, Molecular Immobilisation, Petrification, Reality Warping, Sealing, Laughing/ Itching/ Depression Inducement, Time Reverse and a literal Stando. Should I add it to make it more interesting? ovo
 
Well, the ribbons that would be restraining him are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mami's AP. My argument was more that when they have nullified most of the powers that PMMM has to offer, I wouldn't be surprised if binding the forcefield caused it to be nullified as well (like, binding a warped building caused it to be de-reality warped)

Ribbon trap gg ovo Nah she would be wrecked.
 
They do a lot of stuff like shields, dupes, and they have High 7-A dura via tanking a shot from False Mami who is >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mami (For reference, False Sayaka is 7-B to Sayaka's 7-C). Also they power null people when binding them.

Arguably the only thing that she can deal with is Reality Warping and the various emotion stuff, if her resistance is > those. Maybe regen because ribbon traps can be used to incapacitate Stando powah is overkill
 
Only a stand user can defeat another stand user

That said, here's the list of additional hax I mentioned:

Moar hax

  • Dictator Switch: User can completely erase a person's existence by pressing the switch while calling that person's name. Said person will not only physically disappear, but also be erased from histories and memories, with absolutely no records and remembered by no one, even family members, with the sole exception of the switch's user. It has only been seen used on living beings. The switch cannot be used by someone else on its owner, and only the owner can undo the existence erasure. The switch also grants the user some degree of Immunity to Paradox, as Nobita was unaffected by having his parents completely erased from time.
  • Fear-Creation Machine: A machine with 2 boards. Anyone with their name written on the right board will have a fear of whatever written on the left board.
  • Watercycline: Pills that grant the user's body elemental intangibility. 1 pill turns the body into liquid, while 2 pills turns the body into gas. Both states afford the user intangibility, and the gas state also has pseudo-flight due to being extremely light. The liquid state can be absorbed, while the gas state can be blown apart by strong winds. In both states, lack of care means the user may lose the cohesion of their body. The effect wears off after 1 hour.
  • Stop Camera: Anything snapped by this camera will have their movements and thought process completely halted, a form of Molecular Immobilization. Using the camera on the same thing twice undoes the effect.
  • Head of the Gorgo: A robotic head that can petrify any living being touched by the light it emits. The petrification can be undone by pulling the snake on top of the head.
  • Abekonbe: Anything touched by this arrow will have its properties becoming the complete opposite. e.g. a refrigerator will be hot instead of cold, a shaving razor will produce more hair instead of cutting it, a balloon will be heavy instead of light, etc. Touching the affected object with the other arrow end undoes the effect.
  • Object-Hypnotising Megaphone: Through this megaphone user can "hypnotise" nonliving beings, and can change their properties as well as bystanders' perspective of them. e.g. a vacuum cleaner can function like a car and is a car from a bystander's perspective. User can change an object's properties to those of not only another object but also an animal. e.g. a book can fly like a bird.
  • 2-D Camera: Anything that gets snapped by this camera turns into a photo, effectively trapping it. This camera works on both living and non-living beings. Pouring hot water on the photo will undo the effect.
  • Sleep Pillow: A person in close proximity with this pillow will fall asleep. The length of the sleep can be adjusted using buttons on the pillow.
  • Depression Antenna: Anyone with this antenna attached to their head loses all confidence.
  • Evolution-Devolution Radiation Source: This gadget brings the target to its previous or later stages of evolution. User can devolve or evolve a living being with this gadget. If used on technological devices, this gadget simply turns said device into an earlier or later model.
  • Human Remote Control: Allows the user to accelerate, stop, or reverse the actions of anyone the user points the remote to. However, a mirror can reflect the effect back to the user.
  • Protector Spirit: An invisible robot with the ability to read its master's mind. Once released, it will follow to protect and do anything the master wants before vanishing after 24 hours. This robot, however, can be too effective, as it will try to make what the master thinks about come true, without the master's order or permission. This is literally a Stando ovo.
And I realized you said Mami may resist the Material-Changing Light because Magic Resistance but it's a product of science ovo
 
Doubt that she can deal with those except the Depression/Fear one which is covered by her mind resistance. Although if the Stando isn't intangible Mami can deal with it
 
I think that she can still handle it, especially considering that she always fights invisible enemies so while the Stando turns it into a 2 vs 1 for a while, she isn't new to that (Ask False Mami and False Kyoko). The empathic stuff is dealt with thanks to her resistance
 
I meant all the new hax, not just the stando and empathic stuff.

Also it's funny you mentioned 2v1 when Doraemon can use the Doubling Hammer AND Shadow Ball AFTER pulling out illusion stuff. So he has not just the stando but also his clones who also have illusions, making a big group. Regardless, vote counted unless you wanna reconsider since I mentioned that I included all new hax
 
Well, if he doesn't have prior knowledge, he can't use EE as he doesn't know her name.

The most dangerous stuff are the two cameras and the Human Remote Control,

However, given that she has prep she is probably going to do what she did with Homura and fight using ribbon clones (each one of those is as strong as the original). Or she can use them as a distraction while using the infamous ribbon trap.

So yeah, still giving it to her

This thread will never get other replies, you jumped on the bandwagon too late ovo
 
This is gonna be like Ryuko vs Chaos isn't it ;_;

And I'm sad I'm like the only guy who can think of competitive Doraemon matches so I can't actually vote but just give opinions ;_;
 
Dude come on, I wrote a wall of text to back my position, at least give more reasoning than "weapon and hax variety"
 
Ooops... I forgot something that can debunk Kal's debunk of Doraemon's most dangerous hax (imo)

Kaltias said:
Well, if he doesn't have prior knowledge, he can't use EE as he doesn't know her name.
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Turns out knowing the target's name isn't even required. All you need is pressing the button while thinking of the target.
 
I mean, it's still one ability out of a ton, so it isn't really likely to be used at the start, and Mami can probably trick him into erasing a ribbon clone due to prep (or straight up power null beforehand)

Also, if it works on living beings only, magical girls are still pretty much walking corpses.

Debunkception ovo.
 
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