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Rick Sanchez vs Freddy Krueger

You realize Dreamworld Freddy can easily take away any of Rick's tech the moment it gets brought out, right? And that he has numerous ways to trap Rick and keep him from moving even if he does manage to open up a portal.

Mind reading also means Rick's going to have a hard time coming up with a plan that Freddy won't already see coming. And once Rick's lost both his plan and his tech, there goes every advantage he had in this fight.

"Welcome to my world, bitch."
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
Mind reading also means Rick's going to have a hard time coming up with a plan that Freddy won't already see coming. And once Rick's lost both his plan and his tech, there goes every advantage he had in this fight.
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Mind reading isn't listed as one of Freddy's abilities....
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
You realize Dreamworld Freddy can easily take away any of Rick's tech the moment it gets brought out, right? And that
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Freddy is powered by fear,Rick wouldn't be afraid......
 
1. Read his entire profile. Mind reading is specifically mentioned in his weaknesses as being his main method of understanding his opponent's fears. We also don't have 'Mind Reading' as a specific power on the wiki, so that's most likely why it isn't listed. Simply falls under 'Mind Manipulation,', which Freddy does indeed have. In spades.

2. The argument that 'he wouldn't be afraid', simply due to having never shown fear in other situations completely dissimilar to the scenario of this battle, is a major NLF.

3. Nothing stops Freddy from taking away any of Rick's tech (especially since Freddy's range within the Dream World is 'the entire Dream World'), so even if we go by the above, that just turns this into a melee fight. Which Rick will lose, since A) Freddy can ignore durability, B) Freddy can change his own durability, and C) Freddy has TK, meaning he can easily just ping-pong Rick off every hard surface he can find. (And there will be as many as he wants there to be, since this battle takes place in his world.)
 
Rick's likely capable of lucid dreaming via his dialogue to Moety in S01E02, and how he associates the ability with intelligence, in which he has in spades. Given not only that, but he dealt with this stuff before, he pulls a Nightmare on Elm Street 3 on Freddy.
 
Reason why they beat freddy in movies is Plot-Induced Stupidity Freddy is as God in the dream world and has no limitations on what he can do.
 
Lord ozunu said:
Reason why they beat freddy in movies is Plot-Induced Stupidity Freddy is as God in the dream world and has no limitations on what he can do.
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I haven't seen the movies in a long time. Do we consider that PIS? And besides, No one is arguing Rick would win via the same method.
 
Noahkaismith said:
Lord ozunu said:
Reason why they beat freddy in movies is Plot-Induced Stupidity Freddy is as God in the dream world and has no limitations on what he can do.
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I haven't seen the movies in a long time. Do we consider that PIS? And besides, No one is arguing Rick would win via the same method.
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Well in A Nightmare on Elm Street Nancy defeats Krueger by taking back the energy she has given him and stripping away his power and in part 2 Teenager Jesse Walsh, who inhabits Nancy's old room, and his girlfriend Lisa discover Nancy's old diary—which chronicles the events of the first film. It tells them of the murders of Nancy's friends, and also reveals Krueger's strengths and weaknesses. This helps Jesse and Lisa conquer Freddy in their own struggle with him. Such things are simple PIS
 
I'm voting Freddy, sure Rick has taken Scary Terry (a spoof of freddy) but Freddy is miles beyond that bloke, Freddy in the Dream World could do literally anything he wants he could for example TK Rick into every hard surface he finds (as many as he wants ala RW), or negate his durability, or read his thoughts or even take away Sanchez's arsenal. Ultimately Freddy just has the battlefield advantage which Sanchez cannot beat.
 
Lord ozunu said:
Noahkaismith said:
Lord ozunu said:
Reason why they beat freddy in movies is Plot-Induced Stupidity Freddy is as God in the dream world and has no limitations on what he can do.
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I haven't seen the movies in a long time. Do we consider that PIS? And besides, No one is arguing Rick would win via the same method.
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Well in A Nightmare on Elm Street Nancy defeats Krueger by taking back the energy she has given him and stripping away his power and in part 2 Teenager Jesse Walsh, who inhabits Nancy's old room, and his girlfriend Lisa discover Nancy's old diary—which chronicles the events of the first film. It tells them of the murders of Nancy's friends, and also reveals Krueger's strengths and weaknesses. This helps Jesse and Lisa conquer Freddy in their own struggle with him. Such things are simple PIS
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That first one needs more context, but the second one seems legit. I mean, a human could beat Superman if they had Kryptonite (not really, but you get the idea).
 
I wouldn't say Freddy has no limitations, even in the Dream World.

That said, the Nightmare On Elm Street 3 argument should be addressed. IIRC, the protags of Elm Street 3 had been specifically training to fight in the Dream World, hypnotizing themselves to discover their dream powers. Even in spite of that, Freddy still bodied the vast majority of them. They couldn't even beat him in his own realm; they had to consecrate his remains in the real world.

Unless there are explicit feats of him fighting in such a fashion, it's fairly easy to say that Rick won't fare any better than they did as far as the whole 'fighting Freddy in his own realm' thing goes.
 
And Homer Simpson became a parody of galactus once. That doesen't give him all the feats of galactus.


Scary Terry has way less feats than Krueger.
 
Noahkaismith said:
Lord ozunu said:
Noahkaismith said:
Lord ozunu said:
Reason why they beat freddy in movies is Plot-Induced Stupidity Freddy is as God in the dream world and has no limitations on what he can do.
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I haven't seen the movies in a long time. Do we consider that PIS? And besides, No one is arguing Rick would win via the same method.
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Well in A Nightmare on Elm Street Nancy defeats Krueger by taking back the energy she has given him and stripping away his power and in part 2 Teenager Jesse Walsh, who inhabits Nancy's old room, and his girlfriend Lisa discover Nancy's old diary—which chronicles the events of the first film. It tells them of the murders of Nancy's friends, and also reveals Krueger's strengths and weaknesses. This helps Jesse and Lisa conquer Freddy in their own struggle with him. Such things are simple PIS
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That first one needs more context, but the second one seems legit. I mean, a human could beat Superman if they had Kryptonite (not really, but you get the idea).
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OK still He can not be killed while he is in the dream world. In the dream world he has shown various capabilities which include the ability to regenerate back lost body parts, shapeshifting and telekinetic powers.Also freddy often manipulates the dream world around him, usually in accordance with a person's personality or fears. (For example, he turns Debbie, who hates bugs, into a cockroach and crushes her; injects Taryn, who has a history of abusing drugs, with heroin; smashes Jennifer's face against the TV, when Jennifer wanted to be an actress and appear on TV)

or freddy just create a planet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VteQuQdKL0A

so that Rick does not have anywhere to escape.
 
Freddy is not invincible in the Dream World. That's NLF. All that other stuff seems to be low levels of Reality Warping, nothing Rick can't or hasn't handled before. And I don't see how creating a planet will help beat Rick.
 
The main thing here is that Rick is going to be severely outmatched once Freddy reads his mind and does away with his equipment. Exposed plan + no tech = RIP Rick. Especially when his opponent can neg durability, change his own, and manipulate the entire plane they're fighting in.

Freddy has limitations and quite a few weaknesses, but Rick won't be in the right position to exploit them.
 
Rick doesn't need his equipment in the dream world. To him, this is Scary Terry + Roy with this being his own dream.
 
I already fielded that one. The people in Elm Street 3 who had been specifically training to fight Freddy in his world still couldn't beat him while they were there. They eventually had to rely on a weakness involving the real world, and Rick's not going to have that option here.

Rick, with zero actual experience manipulating powers in the Dream World, is going to get slaughtered if he tries fighting Freddy the way they did.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
I already fielded that one. The people in Elm Street 3 who had been specifically training to fight Freddy in his world still couldn't beat him while they were there. They eventually had to rely on a weakness involving the real world, and Rick's not going to have that option here.
Rick, with zero actual experience manipulating powers in the Dream World, is going to get slaughtered if he tries fighting Freddy the way they did.
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OK, you may have a point. However, I think you're underestimating Rick. He's going to have a far better shot at beating Freddy in the dream world than those guys did. Regardless, I'm changing my vote to Freddy for reasons above.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
Rick beat Scary Terry by hiding and waiting for him to get sleepy. That is never going to work here.

Terry also didn't have transmutation, or any form of durability-negating powers.
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Rick wasn't in his own dream. He was in the dream of a centaur inside Ms. Whatshername inside Mr. Goldenfold's dream.
 
@Noah: Not really underestimating Rick at all. I just don't see him winning under these conditions from what he's shown in his own series.

@Cal: Alright, you've got me there.

Still though, Terry was nowhere in the same league as Freddy, and the latter has shown to be more than capable of dealing with people who can manifest powers in his realm. Freddy's abilities in the Dream World give him plenty of options as far as killing and incapacitating Rick, and his ability to read Rick's mind is going to make it near impossible for Rick to come up with a strategy that can close the gap between them.
 
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