Yhwach And Aizen Speed Upgrade.

[TheReal7Cris]

Because he didn't need to.

Hi, excluding the individual fight with ichigo, if we skip a bit further to after yhwach fight with aizen we can see Ichigo and Renji attempting to land a sneak attack on yhwach here , yes yhwach foresaw that Ichigo would try to sneak attack him but we can see it looks like Ichigo was mid swing and then later in the following panels we see him flung back a bit, regardless of the fact that yhwach was capable of foreseeing that event he still would’ve had to move fast enough to react to it, no?

 

[MrVenomYTX]

I’m pretty sure Ichigo having his bankai and Horn broken depowered him quite a bit so I don’t think Yhwach swinging at him before he could turn around is a valid feat to say he scales to a full powered Hos Bankai Ichigo

The whole reason the HOS was broken is because Ichigo was too slow lol

 

[MrVenomYTX]

He said it himself he’d stop underestimating Ichigo and lowering his guard

 

[KillerNerd007]

Ichigo, Aizen and Yhwach’s Speed Comparison

On the main wiki Ichigo is currently 122x FTL and Yhwach and Aizen are much lower but I disagree using the following manga panels

In chapter 678 Yhwach used the almighty here
between(these panels)to break Ichigo’s True Bankai quick enough that Ichigo couldn’t perceive him doing it and he was able to grab the physical blade and bring it back to himself without Ichigo being able to perceive that either so Yhwach should be faster or atleast equal to his speed. (in these panels here) we can see yhwach casually blitzing ichigo aswell.

In chapter 683 when Renji decided to attack Yhwach then Yhwach decides to crush Renji
here however, Aizen manages to move in place to stand before Renji meaning he can react to Yhwach whereas Ichigo gets perception blitzed (said panels)

This concludes that Aizen and Yhwach should at minimum be equal to Ichigo in speed if not possibly faster.

Agree: @TheReal7Cris
@Lloydblitzed

Disagree: @Deceived3596 @Arc7Kuroi @Damage3245
@UchihaSlayer96
Inconclusive:

Disagree.

In the panel, its actually stated by Yhwach to use the Almighty. Even before that chapter as well, Ichigo can cross a greater distance and prevent Yhwach from getting the sword, when in just Horn of Salvation.

As for the next part, since its an illusion, we wouldn't know exactly what went down for Aizen, but considering Aizen lost an arm, this doesn't show he is superior to Ichigo in any capacity.

At most, they can keep up with Ichigo, but Ichigo is the faster one of the two, and Yhwach blitzes with Almighty because of how it works.

 

[MrVenomYTX]

Disagree.

In the panel, its actually stated by Yhwach to use the Almighty. Even before that chapter as well, Ichigo can cross a greater distance and prevent Yhwach from getting the sword, when in just Horn of Salvation.

As for the next part, since its an illusion, we wouldn't know exactly what went down for Aizen, but considering Aizen lost an arm, this doesn't show he is superior to Ichigo in any capacity.

At most, they can keep up with Ichigo, but Ichigo is the faster one of the two, and Yhwach blitzes with Almighty because of how it works.

“Yhwach blitzes him with the almighty because that’s how it works” that’s extremely vague and you’re basically confirming my point
You haven’t shown any scans either which invalidates your argument

And I’ve literally linked what happened in the panels in my other replies where Aizen used KS to pretend to be Ichigo and Aizen using KS to swap Renji and Ichigo still dosen’t change the fact Aizen can react to Yhwach meanwhile Ichigo cannot react
Even if you disagree with Aizen being relative to Yhwach in speed
Yhwach is still faster than Ichigo

 

[KillerNerd007]

“Yhwach blitzes him with the almighty because that’s how it works” that’s extremely vague and you’re basically confirming my point
You haven’t shown any scans either which invalidates your argument

And I’ve literally linked what happened in the panels in my other replies where Aizen used KS to pretend to be Ichigo and Aizen using KS to swap Renji and Ichigo still dosen’t change the fact Aizen can react to Yhwach meanwhile Ichigo cannot react
Even if you disagree with Aizen being relative to Yhwach in speed
Yhwach is still faster than Ichigo

Don't feel like posting scans rn tbh. But what I was referencing was how Yhwach can just switch the future and then he teleports to different locations as a result.

If anything, Aizen getting his arm blown off by Yhwach proves he doesn't scale to Yhwach in speed.

 

[TheReal7Cris]

Don't feel like posting scans rn tbh. But what I was referencing was how Yhwach can just switch the future and then he teleports to different locations as a result.

If anything, Aizen getting his arm blown off by Yhwach proves he doesn't scale to Yhwach in speed.

agreed on the aizen part, he was barely catching up

 

[Deceived3596]

Are you saying that when Yhwach sliced Ichigo in the back, sending him flying, that was also him using The Almighty, and not him being too fast for Ichigo to react?

Nah, I'm not really claiming that. I'm saying that any instance of Yhwach supposedly blitzing a full power Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo is done through The Almighty during that fight.

I agree he's physically comparable in speed to a weakened Ichigo, but a weakened Ichigo isn't necessarily as fast as the value his full power self is scaled to.

 

[KillerNerd007]

agreed on the aizen part, he was barely catching up

I always had Aizen on relative terms because he was sealed and is scalable proportionate to Ichigo and Yhwach, but literally if this is the argument, then nah.

 

[MrVenomYTX]

Don't feel like posting scans rn tbh. But what I was referencing was how Yhwach can just switch the future and then he teleports to different locations as a result.

If anything, Aizen getting his arm blown off by Yhwach proves he doesn't scale to Yhwach in speed.

Did you read the scans I literally just sent?
It shows Aizen was using KS on Yhwach to make himself look like Ichigo he sacrificed his arm so Ichigo could sneak up behind to get the kill
Have you actually read the manga?
Also watch the first video hellscream sent we literally see Yhwach use the almighty to get behind Ichibei and perception blitz with his speed also we literally saw Aizen react to Yhwach here

 

[Deceived3596]

I don't see this thread going anywhere, especially when three different staff members disagree with the thread, and I heavily doubt any new convincing arguments will be proposed in support of the OP. The thread should probably be closed because of this, but that decision is under the discretion of the moderators, not me.

 

[TheReal7Cris]

I don't see this thread going anywhere, especially when three different staff members disagree with the thread, and I heavily doubt any new convincing arguments will be proposed in support of the OP. The thread should probably be closed because of this, but that decision is under the discretion of the moderators, not me.

agreed. this is just going in circles at this point, can someone get a mod to close this?

 

[Nierre]

Since this has been rejected by every staff member who's commented here, I'll close this thread.