why Haku light speed feats treated as a hyperbole

[Omimi]

in his page

Note: As Haku is a member of the Yuki Clan, his proper name should be Yuki Haku. Apparently, he can travel/teleport at light speed using reflections of his mirrors (according to the databooks), but it is generally accepted as an obvious hyperbole/outlier.

its not just according to the databooks but also according to the manga he is light speed

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Hyperbole is hyperbole

No matter what or how cannon it is

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Still hyperbole

 

[Reppuzan]

The same scans you posted describe it as teleportation. Thus it isn't light speed.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I think there's a grave misunderstanding of what a "Hyperbole" is, I'll post a definition along with an example of a sentence using hyperbole.

Hyperbole = exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

e.g "When I was at school, I realised I was late to class and I ran so fast I thought I was going at supersonic speed!"

What you're talking about is not a hyperbole, since it's from a databook (the equivalent of a stat sheet) stating how fast Haku is whilst using that technique. Would it not be extremely foolish to include hyperbole in a databook? Whose purpose is to show stats which are meant to be taken literally?

I can understand if you want to say "well it's actually wrong because Haku moves exactly at Mach 3 with the technique in this scene" that's all fair game since we mostly rely on what we see. But since Naruto is a manga with non-moving panels we need to rely on statements/onscreen events to be able to analyse feats in this series.

I don't mind this being rejected, but on the grounds of it being a hyperbole? I think not; I will stay with this stance unless given a convincing argument.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

"Would it not be extremely foolish to include hyperbole in a databook? Whose purpose is to show stats which are meant to be taken literally?"

3-A Temari confirmed

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

"Would it not be extremely foolish to include hyperbole in a databook? Whose purpose is to show stats which are meant to be taken literally?"
3-A Temari confirmed

I don't know who Temari is or what series they're from. So I don't really know what your point is either. I'll paraphrase my argument, in case people won't muddle up my point.

When you have a databook which states something specific; is meant to be taken literally for example, "When G.I Joe fires his special cannon, it travels at Hypersonic speed!" you cannot call it a hyperbole, as it's a sentence meant to be taken literally. Could it be wrong? Certainly, but is it a hyperbolic sentence given the context? Certainly not.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Tamari is from naruto, the girl with the fan that fought Tenten and Shikamaru in the chunin exams.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

"Would it not be extremely foolish to include hyperbole in a databook? Whose purpose is to show stats which are meant to be taken literally?"
3-A Temari confirmed

It might just be me, but I always assumed that the databook meant the other definition of "blowing away", as in "that show was so great, it blew me away!". So I always thought the book was saying something like "it's so spectacular and majestic that it blows everyone in the entire universe away!"

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Tamari is from naruto, the girl with the fan that fought Tenten and Shikamaru in the chunin exams.

Ah I see, thanks for telling me. It seems my memory failed me.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

My answer to the thread creator, I think someone misinformed incorrectly deemed that statement to be "hyperbole" in order to discredit it; then it just spread without many people stopping to think "why would a statement (within a databook) meant to be taken literally, be classed as hyperbole?"

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I think it would be better to say him moving that fast is an outlier.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The same databook that says temari can blow away the universe, the same databook that says light fang is light speed, the same databook that says susano can destroy the world or something? Clearly hyperbole.

 

[Dark649]

Another databook said that Kinshiki can split planets.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

^

Yet never actually showing the ability to do so from what i remember, although that would be like multi-continent level which wouldn't be that surprising for naruto characters, he is already rated at like moon level anyway i think.

Edit: Correction, he is only country level.

 

[Dark649]

Yet never actually showing the ability to do so from what i remember

Yes. In the movie he is featless and was easily defeated by Sasuke. In the manga, which is the new canon Momoshiki was only able to destroy a god tree (6-B feat) only after absorbing Kinshiki and that was his only feat.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Nibbler calced the planet split and got Small Planet level out of it. The calc itself seemed good, but you know..

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

The same databook that says temari can blow away the universe, the same databook that says light fang is light speed, the same databook that says susano can destroy the world or something? Clearly hyperbole.

If you had read my previous posts I don't think you would have classed the following as hyperbolic, but rather incorrect. What you said about Temari can be interpreted in the way Darkanine had described, light-fang is in the same boat with this technique (so my points for it not being hyperbolic has already been explained) and Susano being able to destroy the world would just be incorrect/anomalous (as it's never shown to do so in the manga; stronger characters haven't been able to do so) rather than being hyperbolic.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I think someone posted in another thread that the Susanoo stuff was mistranslated.

 

[Omimi]

"Would it not be extremely foolish to include hyperbole in a databook? Whose purpose is to show stats which are meant to be taken literally?"
3-A Temari confirmed

the image i posted was from manga

it was not from databook

 

[Joseph619]

The same databook that says temari can blow away the universe, the same databook that says light fang is light speed, the same databook that says susano can destroy the world or something? Clearly hyperbole.

Also Itachi with yata mirror is invincible. Tier 1 Itachi confirmed

 

[Reppuzan]

@Onimi

It's still:

1) An outlier for the series.

2) Teleportation, which cannot be scaled to combat speed unless he attacks while teleporting.

3) It can be tracked by the Sharingan, and no one is lightspeed by that point in the series.

 

[Omimi]

mirror's reflection statement came from manga
so pls dont bring databook here

coz i am not even talking about databook


We see the water to be still, and then haku going back inside, then the water moving.

Please forgive me if I sound rude

 

[Reppuzan]

It's still an absurd outlier considering the fact the characters considered kunai thrown by average ninja dangerous and that Lee's speed was impressive.

Plus, Japanese media LOVES to toss out the word lightspeed just to make something sound faster even though it's actually far below that.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

2) Teleportation, which cannot be scaled to combat speed unless he attacks while teleporting.
Well, Haku also says "I move so quickly", if this was your typical teleportation technique ala instant-transmission then wouldn't Haku say he goes from place to place instantly rather than just quickly? Also, moving with the use of reflections should be by default lightspeed. As reflections occur at lightspeed.

This whole reflection stuff is starting to remind me of Silver Chariot vs Hanged Man when I think about it. To be more specific, how Hanged Man functions.

 

[Joseph619]

Austrian-Man-Meat dude if you have read Naruto you should know that part 1 characters are not even massively hypersonic in speed, even characters like Zabuza and Kakashi have poor speed feats (who're much stronger than Haku). Check Gwynbleiddd' recent blogs on Naruto to see feats. Haku being lightspeed is a bigger outlier than Roshi busting moon.

 

[Omimi]

this feats come from 1st arc of naruto manga

so why it would be an outlier i mean it's mean that naruto characters are just fast

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Even if Haku was accepted moving at lightspeed naruto grabbing him and sasuke tracking him are massive outliers. Also in the war they used a teleportation Jug that moved the Rikage and Tsunade to the battlefield at light speed the Rikage needed his rashin armor and Tsunade needed to use her regen so they wouldnt be ripped apart. If Haku was moving that fast then shouldn't he be ripped apart as he doesn't possess the durability of the Rikage or the regen of Tsunade

 

[Joseph619]

this feats come from 1st arc of naruto manga
so why it would be an outlier i mean it's mean that naruto characters are just fast

Read the Outlier page, it will help your confusion

 

[Dark649]

Joseph is right, in the fourth great ninja war, Edo-Zabusa and likely every other ninja can normally blitz and one-shot Haku. So saying that he can blitz Kaguya, Madara and etc. via mirrors is a big outlier.

 

[RadicalMrR]

I dont get it this just seems like teleportation, hax not speed, if people cut him off mid teleport than its an outlier for them.

 

[LordAizenSama]

What you're talking about is not a hyperbole, since it's from a databook (the equivalent of a stat sheet) stating how fast Haku is whilst using that technique. Would it not be extremely foolish to include hyperbole in a databook? Whose purpose is to show stats which are meant to be taken literally?

You've obviously never seen a naruto databook before (Cough cough Temari blows away the universe) and are just arguing from belief that databooks are infallible.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

To be fair wasn't Haku, like, extremely weakened when he was tagged? The mirror jutsu uses up an incredible amount of chakra and as Haku was toying with them, he was weakening too, to the point where hes so weakened he can be tagged (Haku himself even explains this). Not only that, but Sasuke was also getting used to his weakening movements via sharingan So while i understand it, I dont see how its an outlier when Haku would only be LS at his best. If hes weakened or tired he can be tagged by slower characters. It could just mean he can only be LS for a limited time and that his speed can heavily decrease when low on energy.

I dont mind it being discarded, i just thought it was weird we say its an outlier when taking this info into account.

Also, naruto tagging him? I dont remember that.

EDIT: Nvm on Naruto not tagging him, I remember now

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

"Arguing from the belief that databooks are infalliable"

Incorrect, if you read any of my points I state multiple times "Could it be wrong? Certainly, but is it a hyperbolic sentence given the context? Certainly not." So to say I believe these databooks to be infallible is a misstatement.

I'll repeat for about the fifth time, you can throw away these feats for any other reason aside from it being hyperbolic. Because it simply isn't hyperbolic at all; to say it is would disregard the definition and purpose of a hyperbole. Which is to exaggerate a statement which isn't meant to be taken literally.

Regarding Temari blowing away the universe, if you provide context to that statement. I assure you it's something not meant to be taken literally.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

@Joseph wat?

Kakashi wasnt stronger than Haku he even admitted it. And I dont believe Zabuza was to.

 

[Joseph619]

Austrian-Man-Meat Have you actually read Naruto? I mean you want context yet you disregard the opinion of people who have read the manga and know about the issues with databook. Gwynbleiddd and Mightyregulator are the naruto experts here, ask them if it's hyperbole or not.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Austrian-Man-Meat Have you actually read Naruto? I mean you want context yet you disregard the opinion of people who have read the manga and know about the issues with databook. Gwynbleiddd and Mightyregulator are the naruto experts here, ask them if it's hyperbole or not.

Have you actually read Naruto? Because if you did I'm certain you would provide an actual argument rather than "Well... Ask these two knowledgeable users!!" Also, I don't need a knowledgeable members opinion on whether or not the statement of "this technique is x speed" is hyperbolic to know that sentence given the context, clearly isn't.

 

[Joseph619]

I already told you man, you can check all calcs there's not a single feat above hypersonic in part 1 Naruto. The best you can say Haku can teleport using mirrors, but lightspeed is a no go. What more context do you need? There's this note on Haku's page

Note: As Haku is a member of the Yuki Clan, his proper name should be Yuki Haku. Apparently, he can travel/teleport at light speed using reflections of his mirrors (according to the databooks), but it is generally accepted as an obvious hyperbole/outlier.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I'll paraphrase, just to make very very sure I get my point across.

When you read a databook, analyse what a character says or look at word-of-god and see such statements like "X is Y fast" it is meant to be taken literally; therefore doesn't fall under the rubric of hyperbole. Unless the author, databook or character says it in such a fashion where it isn't meant to be taken literally (instances are so rare, I can't think of any at the moment.) In that case, yes it is hyperbolic.

However, just because I view such statements to be taken literally. Does that mean I view these statements to be infallible? Absolutely not. If you provide evidence which disproves "X is Y fast" I will be a-ok with it. As statements both in reality and fiction, can be taken as literal yet be incorrect. If you want an example, check any scientific study which was disproven.

 

[Ryukama]

Guidebooks can definitely make hyperboles. Or else Metal Bat has infinite power. Though I don't know enough about Naruto to say whether or not this is.