Why do the Final Fantasy cast scale to the God monsters with stats from different games?

[Amexim]

Bahamut, for some reason, scales to both Bartz and Squall. Don't they exist in different Universes? Explain.

 

[The_Everlasting]

The keys are merged because the stats are otherwise identical.

 

[Amexim]

So, for example, every single Leviathan from all the listed FF verses has a Multi-Continent feat in them? Or are they all the same person like Gilgamesh is usually...? Why scale Bartz's Bahamut and Squalls if they're not the exact same entity (not saying their names or roles in their verse are different, but that clearly doesn't mean their feats are the same.)

 

[Aeyu]

What I'm confused about is why FFV, FFIII and similar characters don't scale to those they beat. FF5's cast is rated as 3-C and yet they can beat a being who is 2-C or more, same with FF3's who are 3-A and can beat a 2-C.

 

[Theglassman12]

I think it's for the same reasons as to why FF12 cast don't scale to the final boss.

 

[Aeyu]

FFV's cast are empowered by the Crystals that pushed the Void (An at least 2-C realm) back though. No idea why they shouldn't scale. Their ability to beat Neo Exdeath came from the Crystals that opposed the Void, not to mention the Dawn Warriors being able to negate the Void as well.

FFIII's cast are empowered by the Crystals and also the World of Light to push back the Darkness that has become so powerful, and thus act as the avatars of the Great Soul's will to keep things in harmony. They should also scale to 2-C.

(Edit: I haven't checked the FF3's cast profiles in a while. I remember when they were only 3-A)

 

[The_Everlasting]

"FF5's cast is rated as 3-C and yet they can beat a being who is 2-C or more, same with FF3's who are 3-A and can beat a 2-C."

The FFV party fighting Neo Exdeath is an outlier.

The FFIII party is 2-C.

 

[Aeyu]

How is it an outlier? They were empowered by the Crystals, which is further shown when the Crystals reform at the end of the game, allowing them to return to their world from the Void.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Being empowered by the Crystals is what made them 5-A to begin with.

Unless 2-C base Exdeath and then 2-C transformed Gilgamesh.

 

[Aeyu]

You could argue that the Dawn Warriors passed on their spirits to the main party, or that they were utilizing the full essence of the Crystals at the end. Either way, this corroborates what I was saying:

 

[The_Everlasting]

Isn't the "world" being created here in FFV specifically just two planets?

 

[Aeyu]

Well, there is empty space between those planets, and the Void is distinct from space, in that it is accessed from an interdimensional rift. Technically, you could say the worlds of light and darkness are just two planets too, because you don't really see anything else except space. Regardless, the fact that they can fight and push back a 2-C realm and the embodiment of power still corroborates them scaling IMO.

I also don't understand why Enuo doesn't scale to Neo Exdeath. Not only is he a far more difficult boss with much more power, he also exists in another interdimensional rift and seemingly can manipulate the Void NE can, even being able to use NE's attack which "Breaks the laws of the universe," Grand Cross.

 

[The_Everlasting]

That's not really what I'm getting from the scans.

What I'm getting is if the Void destroys the worlds the Crystals will just recreate it.

But this doesn't change that the worlds are still just planets.

 

[Aeyu]

I still think that regardless, they pushed back the embodiment of a 2-C realm's power. You could say that that means the "world," they're talking about means universe if only because in the beginning, all there was was the Void, and the Void has been shown many times to not refer just to space, which is further corroborated in that the meteors could travel through space, but it took a rift in that dimension to get to the Void.

 

[Amexim]

I am mad that i have to dig around for actual feats on the pages. Initially, I thought that the feats or showings for characters fighting bahamut's and leviathans all scaled to something that is rated X without feats to support such a rating on a case by case basis. But instead, I am wrong, and lots of the Monsters have feats supporting each one.


I feel like the verse page should be, like, updated to clarify or point to a list of feats by each Incarnation of Bahamut/Leviathen etc. Or, make it so that the pages link to the feats instead.

 

[Aeyu]

Well, everything is seemingly scaled from Dissidia, which I kind-of find baffling, as Chaos and Cosmos are shown to be stronger than characters who are FAR above them in power.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Aeyu

No, not everything is scaled from Dissidia.

Chaos and Cosmos are scaled from the former battling and defeating Shinryu, who can battle the end-game Final Fantasy V party in the final dungeon of the game.

@Amexim

I don't see the point in repeating the same feats over and over when the incarnations clearly scale to specific characters who have specific feats.

 

[Aeyu]

Well, if they are above Neo-Exdeath and such (as shown in that game by the fact that they are commanding them), then wouldn't they qualify for much higher tiers? What do you think about the end-game tiers for the FFV characters and what I've listed above? Shinryu may have been very strong, but he's nothing compared to Neo-Exdeath, Neo-Shinryu, or Enuo in the context of that game (the former two I think should scale to Neo-Exdeath due to being far stronger bosses than he is, as well as possessing similar qualities (existing in the Void) The Sealed Weapons may have killed Enuo's body, true, but within the Rift he is shown to have become vastly stronger, possesses NE's attack which breaks the physical laws of the universe, and seems to embody the Void just like his predecessor:

 

[Amexim]

I meant there should be something to clarify that specifically in the verse or that the links are linking to characters that link to other characters. Like Cloud's page, who links to Bahamut, which doesn't seem to have the feat. I think.