What is it a Tier 0?

[JmikaelP]

Well, the question in the title.
During the explanation of a plane of existence, one talks about an entity that completely transcends a 1-A structure. In this way, that being becomes a High 1-A. So, it is explained that there is an entity that transcends the previous entity. Then, there are more entities that transcend the previous one.
Would that be a Tier 0?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

What? Transcending a 1-A Structure is a layer into 1-A, but I digress. A High 1-A transcending another High 1-A is a layer into High 1-A, and the same goes for all the other entities.

 

[Arceus0x]

as far as i have understood so far, Transcending 1-A makes you layers into 1-A, however if the character is so beyond 1-A that infinite transcendencies like that would still never reach him, making him inaccessible to those heirarchies, he would be High 1-A. Same goes for tier 0

 

[JmikaelP]

as far as i have understood so far, Transcending 1-A makes you layers into 1-A, however if the character is so beyond 1-A that infinite transcendencies like that would still never reach him, making him inaccessible to those heirarchies, he would be High 1-A. Same goes for tier 0

Then, if there is a character that trascend a 1-A structure seeing it like something fictional, then it can be that characters belong to a 1-A Tier?

 

[Arceus0x]

Then, if there is a character that trascend a 1-A structure seeing it like something fictional, then it can be that characters belong to a 1-A Tier?

If they transcend 1-A the same way 4th a dimensional construct transcends a 3d one then it's still 1-A

 

[JmikaelP]

If they transcend 1-A the same way 4th a dimensional construct transcends a 3d one then it's still 1-A

Can you explain it?

 

[Arceus0x]

Can you explain it?

I already did doe?

 

[JmikaelP]

I already did doe?

I'm sorry, I just don't understand it well. If to the 1-A structure, it is said that there is an entity or dimension that is not only beyond the structure, but also completely transcends it to the point of perceiving it as a mere fictitious idea. So would it be High 1-A?

 

[Arceus0x]

it is said that there is an entity or dimension that is not only beyond the structure, but also completely transcends it to the point of perceiving it as a mere fictitious idea. So would it be High 1-A?

nah that's just a layer into 1-A, not High 1-A. For High 1-A you need to be beyond it to the point where infinite layers of what you just described would never reach you no matter what

 

[JmikaelP]

How? It is not enough to perceive it as something as insignificant as something fictitious to be a High 1-A?

 

[Arceus0x]

How? It is not enough to perceive it as something as insignificant as something fictitious to be a High 1-A?

nope, it's only 1-A+ or so.
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Basically the same way 1-A transcends tiers below it, High 1-A transcends 1-A

 

[JmikaelP]

nope, it's only 1-A+ or so.
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Basically the same way 1-A transcends tiers below it, High 1-A transcends 1-A

Could you give me an example? A description that make that a structure or character belong to a High 1-A tier

 

[Arceus0x]

Could you give me an example? A description that make that a structure or character belong to a High 1-A tier

Let's go from the absolute bottom then.

We have a classic timeline - it's 4-D, a Low 2-C structure. It can also be many timelines or infinite, doesn't matter, it's still 4-D and between Low 2-C and 2-A.

Then we have our first reality-fiction transcendence. From the new perspective the timeline is now fiction. This is Low 1-C - 5D.
Then let's repeat that again, 6-D, and again, 7D and again and again and after an infinite amount of such transcendencies we finally reach High 1-B.
Next we surpass High 1-B. How? Well High 1-B is infinite dimensions and Low 1-A is uncountable infinite. To reach it you need to surpass the entire infinite heirarchy as a whole so basically, adding higher and higher dimensions to High 1-B won't work, you need to surpass it to the point of it being unreachable by simply stacking up infinities. You need a big leap.
Now that we've basically reached Low 1-A, we need to go higher. 1-A is unbound by dimensions as a whole so basically, you need to surpass Low 1-A in a way that is greater than the difference between High 1-B and Low 1-A. No matter how many dimensions there are at this point it will never ever reach 1-A. You need to surpass it in it's entirety to the point where it's unreachable. That is 1-A.
To reach High 1-A what you need is basically the difference between High 1-B and 1-A.
Do that again and you get tier 0..

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Tier 0 is hell.

 

[Arceus0x]

Tier 0 is hell.

Yes. That's why the highest tier 0s are math verses

 

[JmikaelP]

Let's go from the absolute bottom then.

We have a classic timeline - it's 4-D, a Low 2-C structure. It can also be many timelines or infinite, doesn't matter, it's still 4-D and between Low 2-C and 2-A.

Then we have our first reality-fiction transcendence. From the new perspective the timeline is now fiction. This is Low 1-C - 5D.
Then let's repeat that again, 6-D, and again, 7D and again and again and after an infinite amount of such transcendencies we finally reach High 1-B.
Next we surpass High 1-B. How? Well High 1-B is infinite dimensions and Low 1-A is uncountable infinite. To reach it you need to surpass the entire infinite heirarchy as a whole so basically, adding higher and higher dimensions to High 1-B won't work, you need to surpass it to the point of it being unreachable by simply stacking up infinities. You need a big leap.
Now that we've basically reached Low 1-A, we need to go higher. 1-A is unbound by dimensions as a whole so basically, you need to surpass Low 1-A in a way that is greater than the difference between High 1-B and Low 1-A. No matter how many dimensions there are at this point it will never ever reach 1-A. You need to surpass it in it's entirety to the point where it's unreachable. That is 1-A.
To reach High 1-A what you need is basically the difference between High 1-B and 1-A.
Do that again and you get tier 0..

Then, for be a High 1-A. The structure or character must be something like this?
Realm A completely transcends realm B. Well, no matter how big realm B is, even if this realm multiplies infinitely, it would never reach Realm A, because Realm B perceives realm B and everything else in it. below him as a mere fictitious idea or a simple molecule

 

[Arceus0x]

Then, for be a High 1-A. The structure or character must be something like this?
Realm A completely transcends realm B. Well, no matter how big realm B is, even if this realm multiplies infinitely, it would never reach Realm A, because Realm B perceives realm B and everything else in it. below him as a mere fictitious idea or a simple molecule

not multiplying infinitely, transcending over and over and over again like Low 1-A transcends High 1-B.

 

[JmikaelP]

Then, Realm A is a High 1-A, because transcend realm B (1-A), because Realm A is not only beyond Realm B, but also it perceives it like something insignificant?

 

[Sisyphusx]

Firstly know about these terms :
Aleph-naught - infinite cardinal (denoted by 'ω')
Aleph 1 - uncountable infinite cardinal
This goes upto aleph-2/3/4...aleph-ω/ω+1, ω+2...and so on with each succeeding cardinal being equal to the power set of the previous one

Transcending H-1A is just a single transcendence to that layer of existence and thus it is defined as 'a layer into H-1A.'

Seeing something as fiction is a vague term but it still isn't enough to grant an 'inaccessible transcendence' to qualify for above tiers in tier 1 because we as 3D beings also perceive 2D beings as fiction.

If to further elaborate on how a character can reach tier 0 then see it like this, H-1B is infinite dimensional (aleph-naught) and L-1A is uncountable infinite (aleph-1) so you need to transcend H-1B for an uncountable infinite times to get to L-1A, anything lower isn't enough.

Same with L-1A (aleph-1) and 1A (aleph-2 and above), transcending the baseline 1A (aleph-2) for an aleph-ω (ω = infinite cardinal) times gets you to '1A+' [note that the gap between any two levels in 1-A (aleph-2 & aleph-3 for example) actually exceeds the entire system below them]

Now the H-1A tier is 'large cardinals', a common example includes inaccessible cardinal which is beyond anything talked about before and totally unachievable by the standard equations occurring before to get us upto aleph-ω, that is, the character in question needs transcend 1A+ for an inaccessible cardinal of time to reach H-1A...this tier also keeps increasing hierarchy untill we reach tier 0, the difference between H-1A and tier 0 is also inaccessible and is just like the transcendence difference between H-1A & 1A+ and 1A+ & L-1Also, tier 1 pretty much just works on this logical framework of inaccessible transcendence.

That's pretty much it.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well, the question in the title.
During the explanation of a plane of existence, one talks about an entity that completely transcends a 1-A structure. In this way, that being becomes a High 1-A. So, it is explained that there is an entity that transcends the previous entity. Then, there are more entities that transcend the previous one.
Would that be a Tier 0?

It wouldn't be High 1-A in the first place without more. The gap between Aleph-1 and Aleph-2 is immeasurably higher than the gap between Aleph-1 and Aleph-0 where Aleph-0 is a true infinity of numbers.

High 1-A isn't about transcending 1-A, it's a Large Cardinal. High 1-A means that even an infinite amount of ever increasing infinite ordinals would never reach that set. Tier 0 is the same situation, it's an unreachable set to unreachable sets.

 

[Fixxed]

For simply this, if it transcend the high 1A in the same nature as the transcending of 1A to high 1A or high 1B to 1A, it would be 0. If it not it just higher layer of high 1A

 

[JmikaelP]

It wouldn't be High 1-A in the first place without more. The gap between Aleph-1 and Aleph-2 is immeasurably higher than the gap between Aleph-1 and Aleph-0 where Aleph-0 is a true infinity of numbers.

High 1-A isn't about transcending 1-A, it's a Large Cardinal. High 1-A means that even an infinite amount of ever increasing infinite ordinals would never reach that set. Tier 0 is the same situation, it's an unreachable set to unreachable sets.

Then, How? There is many characters that are High 1-A, because they transcend a expific realm. For example, Lovecrafts gods.

 

[Qawsedf234]

. For example, Lovecrafts gods.

Lovecraft is like, the worst example to use:

• Every singular universe is High 1-B due to have infinite geometric dimensions
• Before the first gate an infinite number of universes are contained within the super-cosmos
• The First Gate is beyond dimensions and transcends the concept of time
• There are a limitless amount of Dreams within the Dreamlands with dreams imbedded into dream that stretches' forever beyond the First Gate
• The Ultimate Gate is above the Dreamlands to the point where they can never reach it
• The Ultimate Gods all resides past the Ultimate Gate

They aren't High 1-A because they exist beyond a 1-A layer. They're High 1-A because the Dreamland is 1-A+ and can never reach the Ultimate Gate despite it being composed of an infinite degree of ever bigger dreams.

 

[KingNanaya]

Lovecraft is like, the worst example to use:

• Every singular universe is High 1-B due to have infinite geometric dimensions
• Before the first gate an infinite number of universes are contained within the super-cosmos
• The First Gate is beyond dimensions and transcends the concept of time
• There are a limitless amount of Dreams within the Dreamlands with dreams imbedded into dream that stretches' forever beyond the First Gate
• The Ultimate Gate is above the Dreamlands to the point where they can never reach it
• The Ultimate Gods all resides past the Ultimate Gate

They aren't High 1-A because they exist beyond a 1-A layer. They're High 1-A because the Dreamland is 1-A+ and can never reach the Ultimate Gate despite it being composed of an infinite degree of ever bigger dreams.

I think I get why people hate tier 1 now

 

[JmikaelP]

Lovecraft is like, the worst example to use:

• Every singular universe is High 1-B due to have infinite geometric dimensions
• Before the first gate an infinite number of universes are contained within the super-cosmos
• The First Gate is beyond dimensions and transcends the concept of time
• There are a limitless amount of Dreams within the Dreamlands with dreams imbedded into dream that stretches' forever beyond the First Gate
• The Ultimate Gate is above the Dreamlands to the point where they can never reach it
• The Ultimate Gods all resides past the Ultimate Gate

They aren't High 1-A because they exist beyond a 1-A layer. They're High 1-A because the Dreamland is 1-A+ and can never reach the Ultimate Gate despite it being composed of an infinite degree of ever bigger dreams.

So, to be High 1-A, it must transcend a 1-A+ structure?

 

[Qawsedf234]

So, to be High 1-A, it must transcend a 1-A+ structure?

Yeah.

 

[JmikaelP]

Yeah.

And for be Tier 0? The character or structure must trascend a High 1-A or a High 1-A+?
Also, a 1-A+ structure is a structure that are beyond that a 1-A, right? Like a another realm that trascend 1-A, but that it is within?

 

[Qawsedf234]

And for be Tier 0? The character or structure must trascend a High 1-A or a High 1-A+?

High 1-A includes everything from baseline to a Large Cardinal Omega. For Tier 0 you would need to transcend what amounts to be High 1-A+.

Also, a 1-A+ structure is a structure that are beyond that a 1-A, right?

No. 1-A is any number of Cardnial Sets. 1-A+ is Aleph-Omega or an infinite series of larger cardinal sets.