Unicron vs Kharn the Betrayer

[Sir_Ovens]

Ancient warriors of Chaos.

Unicro

vs

Kharn the Betrayer

5-C version of Unicron. Speed Equalized if necessary. (But since both are FTL I feel there's no need for that) Win via Death.





Who wins and why?

 

[Cropfist]

Kharn via hax nullification.

 

[Iustitia_Prime]

What are the limits to the Collar of Khorne?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

What are the limits to the Collar of Khorne?

Whatever this guy can protect him from, but only if he deems it unsportsmanlike.

 

[Iustitia_Prime]

That seems like a wildcard. I mean Unicron even in this weak form under normal circumstances should be able to pluck away the weaponry of a warrior. But if that's deemed unsportsmanlike by a galaxy-level supergod I guess it's a draw. Unicron is a Mars-sized dreadnought that eats moons and small planets. He had a moon blow up inside him without a scratch. But this space marine supposedly has moon-level attacking and durability. I feel like if Unicron couldn't use spatial/matter manipulation or just physically squash this guy under his thumb then he'd just keep his distance and/or formulate a better plan.

 

[Aparajita]

Khorne will negate any ranged firepower, any energy, magic, atomic, etc of any kind.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Khorne will negate any ranged firepower

I don't think he negates ranged firepower unless it's used to avoid an up close fight.

 

[Iustitia_Prime]

So what if Unicron used his power to disarm Kharne of his inventory forcing a direct physical match? Or would that still be unsportsmanlike?

Idk, without magic what can he do to Unicron? Unicron's had a moon blow up in his mouth, can rip planets apart by hand and crosses the stars under his own power. He can also learn anything about someone or something with his computers from about a lightyear away.

Could this I assume human-sized space marine seriously shrug off blows from a planet-sized robot? Could he hit harder than an exploding moon?

I don't really know how to approach this fight because with these magical blessings it comes off like a no-limits fallacy and so what's the point? But if they're not a factor and he physically can't contend with a giant bigger than a moon then it's spite in Unicron's favor.

 

[FateAlbane]

Hard to say, Unicron has flight going for him and that could be an advantage, but Kharn has that durability negating-soul sucking (EDIT: though Soul Sucking might be a moot point against the sort of being Unicron is) Gorechild... Indeed hard to say, but right now I'm leaning more for Kharn.

 

[Aparajita]

Khorne will negate any ranged firepower

I don't think he negates ranged firepower unless it's used to avoid an up close fight.

It does, Kharn has walked through Baneblade fire to butcher Guardsmen.

 

[Aparajita]

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I don't know, Kharn is pretty comparable now to pre-ascension Angron and Pre-Ascension Horus (because Horus never ascended) was able to "strike with enough force to shatter planets" with his fight with the Emperor.

Horus is above Angron, but not by thousands of times iirc.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I don't know, Kharn is pretty comparable now to pre-ascension Angron and Pre-Ascension Horus (because Horus never ascended) was able to "strike with enough force to shatter planets" with his fight with the Emperor.

Horus is above Angron, but not by thousands of times iirc.

I would argue Champion of Chaos Kharn could quite possibly be above Pre-Ascension Angron by a sizeable amount. Kharn is said to have taken on powerful Daemons in the Eye of Terror, and has casually butchered a few Greater Daemons in realspace. The only base Primarch to fight a Greater Daemon in realspace was Sanguinius, and he only won half his confrontations with it. Though it's not totally set in stone.

Unrelated, but I will say though that Warmaster Abaddon should be well above any base Primarch, casually murdering a perfect clone of Horus (obviously without the blessings of Chaos) in a single blow.

 

[Iustitia_Prime]

I literally know nothing about this franchise so the scaling or feat-stacking goes over my head. With Unicron everything is pretty much based on his observable feats and abilities.

I'll say draw for now but I'm leaning towards Unicron.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Bumpy.