Ultimate level Digimon Speed Justifications

[Dragonmasterxyz]

That whole Madara fiasco has made me want to make sure everything is as it should be with the verses I support. I'd rather us not be called out for having "double standards".

So currently Ultimate level Digimon are Relativistic due to this feat by LadyDevimon in Digimon Adventure.

There is an issues with this.

• Its basis is an attack that is stated to be light speed. This would be okay if this was the reference book that said it was light speed (we have a rule explaining why the databooks take priority most of the time), but it was instead stated by random text from a video game. Unless there is an in series justification of these descriptions they should not be used.

Now normally this would immediately call for a downgrade, however, there are still things that support Relativistic Ultimate Digimon. This is mostly dealing with the fact that there are Relativistic feats performed by normal humans.

• Here we have a calc from a feat Takumi Aiba performing a Relativistic feat. As such this can be used to replace the LadyDevimon feat.
• For those calling outlier, I should remind you that many Digimon have feats involving being light speed.
• Here we have a FTL feat from the Champion level Agunimo.
• Here we have a direct statement from Cross-Dimensional researchers who place Rapidmon, a fellow Ultimate level Digimon at near the speed of light.

A Cyborg Digimon, evolved from Galgomon. It holds the alias of "Keen Hound", and it reliably brings down the opponent with movements near the speed of light. Also, it freely uses its gigantic ears as radar, can act even in the dark, and is also able to detect the existence of distant enemies. The silhouette of its body makes you think of a shaved poodle.
	~ Rapidmon Official Databook​

• We have Sunflowmon who is stated to use direct sunlight.

A Plant Digimon which has an appearance like the sunflower. If it bathes in the sun's light it becomes very energetic, and even its offensive power rises. On days when the weather is good it will also flap the leaves on its back to fly around. Its Special Moves are firing rays of sunlight from all of its petals (Sunshine Beam), and slapping the opponent in the face with a smile on its face (Smiley Slap). Furthermore, that smile is feared for its eeriness. Also, it can wave its tail-like stalk, firing off its thorns (Cactus Tail).
	~ [https://wikimon.net/Sunflowmo Sunflowmon Official Databook}​

• Bolgmon/MetalKabuterimon releases Positron Lasers.

A Digimon that possesses power over Thunder which bears the might of one of the legendary Ten Warriors. It has a cautious and prudent personality because it was discovered in a defense system created in reference to the Scarab treasure chamber in the deepest part of a pyramid. During battle, it patiently serves as a shield for its comrades using its sturdy armor and endures the opponent's attacks, but if it reaches its critical point it will go on an intense offensive with all of its gunports until even the opponent's form is reduced to nothing. Because its heavy weight lowers its mobility, it is basically the one in charge of logistical support. However, in close-range battles it obliterates the opponent with its various armaments. Its Special Moves are collecting and then firing all of its energy from both of its arms (Ultimate Thunder), and firing an extremely high-speed positron laser from its head-turret (Field Destroyer).
	~ MetalKabuterimon (Official Databook)​

• Champion/Armor level Rinkmon is directly stated to be 98% the speed of light.

An Armor-level Mutant Digimon that evolved through the power of the "Digimental of Friendship". It is a Cyborg Digimon created from the sample data of an experiment that accelerated elementary particles to the speed of light with an accelerator. It is said that it was born from the fusion of that sample data, a Digimon raised for experimental use, and the Digimental. As a very keen Digimon, it is able to accelerate to 98 percent of the speed of light, so there are no Digimon who can rival Rinkmon with their speed. However, because its power is weak in contrast to its outstanding speed, its fighting and hand-to-hand combat have a weak side to them. Its Special Move, "Spinning Cutter" rapidly spins its body using its prided speed, and tears up the enemy with the cutters on both of its arms.
	~ Rinkmon (Official Databook)​

• Jewelbeemon is noted to attack at the speed of light.

A jewel beetle-like Insect Digimon which emits a rainbow-colored radiance. Its prism-like armor, which changes color with the viewing angle, is not only sturdy but also has the effect of dazzling the enemy's eyes. As a grappling expert, it prefers beautiful battles. Its Special Move is swinging the spear it holds in its right hand at the speed of light, generating a shock wave (Spike Buster).
	~ JewelBeemon (Official Databook)​

• Lobomo and his Ultimate form Garummon/KendoGarurumon is noted multiple times in canon to be light speed and notably uses light and lasers as he his the Warrior of Light itself.

This fast beast warrior of light speed slices up evil, racing with the speed of the gods!

Even a lightspeed warrior has meal time at its own pace!

I'm hoping this at least proves that Ultimate level Digimon being at least Relativistic is consistent.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, this is pretty self-evident and valid. It's not just one vague statement, but like a dozen and all in your face.

 

[Kepekley23]

The difference between this and Light Fang is immense. It blatantly mention high-charged lasers, particles, accelerators and sunlight. It even gives a specific percentage.

It's in no way comparable to "impossible to dodge speed of light"

 

[Kaltias]

Can we please leave Light Fang out of this

 

[Kepekley23]

This thread was created because of Light Fang. It is meant to compare these two. I don't see why it should be "left out".

But I do agree that the whole ordeal has spiraled out of control.

 

[Kaltias]

I know, but there isn't only that

Why we would scale Ultimates from Takumi for example? Like I don't think that it's wrong it just seems kinda random

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Can we please leave Light Fang out of this

I created this because of Light Fang in order to make sure the feats we scaled from were legit. (I do want us to stay consistent)

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I know, but there isn't only that
Why we would scale Ultimates from Takumi for example? Like I don't think that it's wrong it just seems kinda random

Well this is mostly because Ultimates in game can still keep pace with Takumi and his team. There is also the fact that this is a feat from a mostly normal human (minus the whole "being turned into data" part) and that Ultimates (some would argue Rookies) would easily be much faster than him. It's more of a collective feat thing.

 

[Schnee_One]

Can I just mention that Dragon doing this to one of his favorite verses just so we can be consistent proves he's ******* awesome?

Pardon my French.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I should note that this only would affect Ultimates. Megas scale to Rapidmon's evolution MegaGargomon.

Rookies and Champions have their own MHS+ feats they scale to as well.

 

[Kaltias]

@Dragon

Yes, I meant that I prefer if people simply analyze those for what they are as comparison with LF is pointless.

That said, scaling from Takumi should be fine given that they need to be somewhere in the Relativistic range to consistently dodge light attacks.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

bumping this as there is a feat that Executor plans on calcing.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Bump

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I really regret making that thread.

Anyway, considering there is a feat, and several in your face statements of lightspeed and near lightspeed, I'm fine with this.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@Dragonmasterxyz

What's the feat?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Peckmon (a Champion level) dodging Sunflowmon's Sunshine Beam.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Well depending on the range it would likely be Relativistic maybe +, backing up the rating even more.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yup. It was decently close iirc. But we will see.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So here we have the feat calc'd at FTL. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...on:_Peckmon_dodges_Sunflowmon's_Sunshine_Beam

Now the issue here is scaling. I am positive Ultimates should scale to this in at least Reaction/Combat Speed, but with this and Takumi's feat (Along with Champion levels who should be superior to Takumi movement wise) one can argue Champions can scale to this reaction wise, however, I don't really agree with that as this feat is a feat from a well trained Peckmon sooo yeah. Maybe Rel reactions for Champions via Takumi's feat?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Honestly, how we treat and scale Takumi's feat is important here. Champions are iffy. Ultimates should be fine scaling to this stuff tho.

 

[Executor_N0]

With Peckmon now we have another FTL feat of a high level Adult (Counting with Agnimon), I think we could scale this to the Perfects and Ultimates. About Adults, I do not know if it would be right to scale to Takumi. Well, Takumi has accomplished that feat with regard to Tankmon battle, so it's possible that Digimon in this adult fight would be comparatively fast. So I think it would be possible.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I think Relativistic reactions should be fine for Adults/Champions. We have to remember that the 3 calced feats are from Champion/Adult class Digimon. Although this Tankmon was given that special canon by the human government, so only that Tankmon would have Lightspeed attack speed.