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Topaz's Stats Equal Unconventional Tourney: R1M6- The Princess vs The Puppet (CLOSED)

Does, The princess resist Mind manipulation? And does she have any way to deal with the Puppet's passive illusions? Not to mentioned her SOul manipulation
 
Either way, Puppet starts out by making illusions passively, changing the environment. (These illusions affect reality)
 
Puppets, wincon would be just a single touch would trap the Princess in her own mind, not even knowing anything is wrong.
 
Ok I'm fairly versed on both opponents so I can help a bit here.
Either way, Puppet starts out by making illusions passively, changing the environment. (These illusions affect reality)
Unless I'm forgetting something from the books, I'm pretty sure the Puppet doesn't lead with illusions. She has High Tier Remnant, so she can use illusions, but I don't believe she's ever has, unlike other High Tier Remnant users like Willam.
Puppets, wincon would be just a single touch would trap the Princess in her own mind, not even knowing anything is wrong.
That would depend on whether The Puppet thinks that putting her in an illusion would work due to The Princesses Subjective Reality and considering The Adversary is a large, scary, demon woman I think it's very likely that The Puppet is not gonna perceive it working on her.
 
Unless I'm forgetting something from the books, I'm pretty sure the Puppet doesn't lead with illusions. She has High Tier Remnant, so she can use illusions, but I don't believe she's ever has, unlike other High Tier Remnant users like Willam.
Illusions is actually a passive effect, It doesn't function like ""springtraps phantoms"" or anything like that, but rather just happens. It just changes small bits.

That would depend on whether The Puppet thinks that putting her in an illusion would work due to The Princesses Subjective Reality and considering The Adversary is a large, scary, demon woman I think it's very likely that The Puppet is not gonna perceive it working on her.
I don't see why it wouldn't work. To the missing children, William looked like a demon, but it still worked together to trap and kill him. So yeah, I don't think she would ever believe she wouldn't be capable of killing/trapping her.

Also, The illusion I ma talking about her, is trapping the princess in her own mind.
 
Illusions is actually a passive effect, It doesn't function like ""springtraps phantoms"" or anything like that, but rather just happens. It just changes small bits.
Pretty sure the "passive effect" of Illusions is from springtraps phantoms which are implied to be passively created passively be Springtrap's large amount of agony and remnant by the P&A
I don't see why it wouldn't work. To the missing children, William looked like a demon, but it still worked together to trap and kill him. So yeah, I don't think she would ever believe she wouldn't be capable of killing/trapping her.
He wasn't a literal demon however and certainly didn't look like one. The missing children are evidently not that afraid of Willam after being stuffed since they don't hesitate to attack and kill people who they think are him. To a child like Charlotte seeing The Adversary would be terrifying and would make the Princess stronger due to her SR.
 
The Princess' whole schtick is that she becomes the threat you perceive her to be. If you think she’s weak, she remains weak, but the moment you even entertain the idea that she might be powerful, she becomes powerful. If one starts to believe she’s an unstoppable monster, they've already lost, because that belief itself makes her one.

This extends even to stray thoughts.
Just the suspicion that she may have a weapon gave her a weapon she didn't have, the tiniest thought that she was immortal made her completely and irreversibly immortal. Even killing her isn’t simple, as she only stays dead if her opponent fully believes she is dead. If there’s even a shred of doubt, she’s still alive.

This also creates a snowball effect, the longer the fight goes on, the more likely you are to see her as a bigger threat, and in turn, she becomes a bigger threat. Worse, because she can talk to her opponent, she can influence how they think about her. And really the only way to prevent this spiral is to never entertain the idea that she is strong, dangerous, or capable of anything beyond what you initially assume.

This is why in-general her opponent's abilities and such don't really come up much in Princess matches, since it's basically entirely a mental battle.
But this only applies if her opponent qualifies as a "living being." What does living being mean here? Presumably something capable of perception, no? You can't change the Princess based on your perception if you can't perceive anything in the first place. So the Princess' Subjective Reality is null against stuff like mindless machines and such, and the Puppet isn't that, she's a ghost possessing a robot, rather than the robot itself. So the Subjective Reality works fine here, no?

Well... The Narrator doesn't shape the Princess. He is an Echo, "more like a memory than a person," and yet He is sentient, self-aware, and capable of doubt.
The Specter (A ghost) directly even compares herself to Him, "[He's] kind of like me, actually," and the LQ's own narration dismisses His statements as "the ranting of a ghost."
Functionally, the Puppet's the same as the Narrator

So would the Princess have her Subjective Reality here? I dunno.
 
Im coming in to confirm that yes- the Princess does indeed have her SR here mainly because thats generally how she operates- and the Puppet is uh.....interesting to say the least
but we can say the Puppet is just a ghost possessing a robot, so should be capable of perception, and thus, the Princess would be able to use SR
 
Okaay so why exactly would the puppet percieve her as stronger than itself or immune to some of its abilities?
 
Okaay so why exactly would the puppet percieve her as stronger than itself or immune to some of its abilities?
The Adversary is a giant (She towers over the Hero, who's already huge in his own right) muscular demon lady who oozes confidence and strength ("Is that another challenger? Finally. It's been ages since I've had a good fight." and "I'm going to have fun breaking you into little pieces.") and whose passive Subjective Reality will turn the FNAF2 location into a cramped and oppressive space, with the only way out being through her.
 
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The Adversary is a giant (She towers over the Hero, who's already huge in his own right) muscular demon lady who oozes confidence and strength ("Is that another challenger? Finally. It's been ages since I've had a good fight." and "I'm going to have fun breaking you into little pieces.") and whose passive Subjective Reality will turn the FNAF2 location into a cramped and oppressive space, with the only way out being through her.
I don’t know if simply being tall would necessarily make the puppet think it's stronger than itself. I mean it's a magical ghost possessing a robot which brought kids back to life by binding souls to high tech robots. I'm not sure if at that point simply being kidna big and confident would be "scary" enough to make you appear strong.

Especially given Puppets opening moves are hallucinations and if those work the puppet might actually start seeing it as weaker, more similar to the player which it usually dismembers
 
Funnily enough, we don't even know if it's William that creates, the Phantoms Of Michael hallucinating.

He wasn't a literal demon however and certainly didn't look like one. The missing children are evidently not that afraid of Willam after being stuffed since they don't hesitate to attack and kill people who they think are him. To a child like Charlotte seeing The Adversary would be terrifying and would make the Princess stronger due to her SR.
The Yellow rabbit is the manifestation, of how the Missing children perceived WIlliam.

I don’t know if simply being tall would necessarily make the puppet think it's stronger than itself. I mean it's a magical ghost possessing a robot which brought kids back to life by binding souls to high tech robots. I'm not sure if at that point simply being kidna big and confident would be "scary" enough to make you appear strong.

Especially given Puppets opening moves are hallucinations and if those work the puppet might actually start seeing it as weaker, more similar to the player which it usually dismembers
Pretty much agree with this.
 
I don’t know if simply being tall would necessarily make the puppet think it's stronger than itself. I mean it's a magical ghost possessing a robot which brought kids back to life by binding souls to high tech robots. I'm not sure if at that point simply being kidna big and confident would be "scary" enough to make you appear strong.
To be fair, on the other side of things Charlotte is a very young child and The Adversary is unlike anything she would have seen before. There's also the fact the Puppet isn't much of a fighter, only having dealt with normal humans before. Seeing The Adversary, who is bigger and stronger looking than most animatronics, actively challenge her to combat would likely be enough to make her think The Adversary is stronger than her.
Funnily enough, we don't even know if it's William that creates, the Phantoms Of Michael hallucinating.
Then illusions ain't passive since the P&A is saying that William just being there is what causes them to show up.
The Yellow rabbit is the manifestation, of how the Missing children perceived WIlliam.
The Yellow Rabit is a manifestation of the agony caused by the missing children's incident, not how the Missing children perceived WIlliam.
 
I mean, the Puppet is still a kid, don't think her getting scared by the Adversary is too far-fetched. Especially since the Adversary's mere presence is going to warp her "home" and whose "near total ignorance to pain" will have her smiling everytime the Puppet goes for an attack. Even the CH1 Harsh Princess (Basically a less intimidating version of the Adversary) could intimidate the Opportunist, who went in with the idea that killing her would be really easy, to the point that she ended up stomping him.
Especially given Puppets opening moves are hallucinations and if those work the puppet might actually start seeing it as weaker, more similar to the player which it usually dismembers
The hallucinations we've seen the Puppet do really aren't all that useful though, she just sorta put an image of herself on the camera before jumping the security guard.
 
Hm, it's looking like a Princess victory, unless the Puppet can pull something out-
 
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