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Long story short me and a friend where discussing about the AP of this technique because truth be told it just looked like an usual big flashy explossion at first however upon further inspection we noticed that this technique completely oblitared the biggest Deity Gate(Sage Art: Gate of the Great God) that Hashirama placed on Juubito.
Here we can see the Deity gate:
https://imgur.com/a/88WFaj4
Here we see Tobirama using Gojou kibakufuda on Juubito who is standing on top of the Deity gate:
https://imgur.com/a/6qIGauG
And in the aftermath we can see that the Deity gate was completly destroyed:
https://imgur.com/a/UXd4Zhl
Now why is this impressive? Moments before Obito became Juubito we saw that Hashirama used smaller Deity gates to keep the Juubi in place: https://imgur.com/a/AYTmvRS
The juubi then procedeed to blast a Juubi dama on the shinobi aliance and ended up not only hurting itself but was also unable to destroy the smaller Deity gates:
https://imgur.com/a/j1fy5dO
https://imgur.com/a/ZinXfyB
https://imgur.com/a/21NDthv
Im assuming you get where im going here. Kibaku fuda just outblasted a JUUBI DAMA despite having an alleged stronger target.(a bigger Deity gate)
Now at first i thought that this was insane and waay outta of Tobirama's league to perform such a powerfull technique however Hashirama(whom is 6A) blatantly states that Juubito is stronger than him yet he thought that Tobirama using this technique was atleast worth a try. So its not that far fetched that Tobirama can reach that tier with prep(edo tensei). That tier would only apply to this technique as well and not to his durabilty or anything like that(the technique blatantly killed him). Not to mention that these suicide techniques are usually quite strong in the narutoverse e.g Deidara, Danzo, 8th gates guy etc.
Now regarding the speed issue, we had a whole debate about how fast really Tobirama is because just like the Kibakufuda feat his speed feats are pretty insane. Not as if this is gonna change his relatavistic + speed but maybe it could be helpfull to add these feats. It should be noted that it has been vastly debated whether Tobirama actually tagged Juubito or if those paperbombs came out of his body when he blitzed him, however this has been debunked(quite recently) because it was noted that the seals on the paper bombs are different for the Gojou kibaku fuda. So Tobirama did indeed tag Juubito.
For starters he tagged Juubito 5 times on panel with paperbombs AND placed a FTG seal on him aswell(could have been more but 5 tags are what we see on panel). However the thing that people tend to overlook on this scene is that he did all of this and yet neither KCM Minato/ naruto could notice that he planted those paper bombs and FTG tag:
https://imgur.com/a/pyt023K
https://imgur.com/a/m6NLYp9
This is further reinforced when Tobirama had to blatantly tell them afterwards that he placed a seal on Juubito during their first exchange:
https://imgur.com/a/NLoJMaq
Another speed feat was when a Tobirama CLONE blitzes KCM minato and saves him n crew. Keep in mind that not only didn't KCM Minato notice that he was tagged with a TBS, EMS sasuke and KCM Naruto where watching these events unfold and literally none saw that TBS being placed until Juubito pointed it out and it was about to go off(or else they would obviously have told Minato he was tagged and shouldn't port near them). Despite all of this Tobirama still blitzes them and saves them:
https://imgur.com/a/tICodFO
https://imgur.com/a/6W2V1ZN
https://imgur.com/a/VSyh1eP
It should be noted that Shadow clone FTG's are stated to be slower than the original:
https://imgur.com/a/mVFkRJi
I have heard opinions stating that these aren't really travel speed feats and more so reaction speed and combat speed however i'll like to hear your thoughts on this.
Here we can see the Deity gate:
https://imgur.com/a/88WFaj4
Here we see Tobirama using Gojou kibakufuda on Juubito who is standing on top of the Deity gate:
https://imgur.com/a/6qIGauG
And in the aftermath we can see that the Deity gate was completly destroyed:
https://imgur.com/a/UXd4Zhl
Now why is this impressive? Moments before Obito became Juubito we saw that Hashirama used smaller Deity gates to keep the Juubi in place: https://imgur.com/a/AYTmvRS
The juubi then procedeed to blast a Juubi dama on the shinobi aliance and ended up not only hurting itself but was also unable to destroy the smaller Deity gates:
https://imgur.com/a/j1fy5dO
https://imgur.com/a/ZinXfyB
https://imgur.com/a/21NDthv
Im assuming you get where im going here. Kibaku fuda just outblasted a JUUBI DAMA despite having an alleged stronger target.(a bigger Deity gate)
Now at first i thought that this was insane and waay outta of Tobirama's league to perform such a powerfull technique however Hashirama(whom is 6A) blatantly states that Juubito is stronger than him yet he thought that Tobirama using this technique was atleast worth a try. So its not that far fetched that Tobirama can reach that tier with prep(edo tensei). That tier would only apply to this technique as well and not to his durabilty or anything like that(the technique blatantly killed him). Not to mention that these suicide techniques are usually quite strong in the narutoverse e.g Deidara, Danzo, 8th gates guy etc.
Now regarding the speed issue, we had a whole debate about how fast really Tobirama is because just like the Kibakufuda feat his speed feats are pretty insane. Not as if this is gonna change his relatavistic + speed but maybe it could be helpfull to add these feats. It should be noted that it has been vastly debated whether Tobirama actually tagged Juubito or if those paperbombs came out of his body when he blitzed him, however this has been debunked(quite recently) because it was noted that the seals on the paper bombs are different for the Gojou kibaku fuda. So Tobirama did indeed tag Juubito.
For starters he tagged Juubito 5 times on panel with paperbombs AND placed a FTG seal on him aswell(could have been more but 5 tags are what we see on panel). However the thing that people tend to overlook on this scene is that he did all of this and yet neither KCM Minato/ naruto could notice that he planted those paper bombs and FTG tag:
https://imgur.com/a/pyt023K
https://imgur.com/a/m6NLYp9
This is further reinforced when Tobirama had to blatantly tell them afterwards that he placed a seal on Juubito during their first exchange:
https://imgur.com/a/NLoJMaq
Another speed feat was when a Tobirama CLONE blitzes KCM minato and saves him n crew. Keep in mind that not only didn't KCM Minato notice that he was tagged with a TBS, EMS sasuke and KCM Naruto where watching these events unfold and literally none saw that TBS being placed until Juubito pointed it out and it was about to go off(or else they would obviously have told Minato he was tagged and shouldn't port near them). Despite all of this Tobirama still blitzes them and saves them:
https://imgur.com/a/tICodFO
https://imgur.com/a/6W2V1ZN
https://imgur.com/a/VSyh1eP
It should be noted that Shadow clone FTG's are stated to be slower than the original:
https://imgur.com/a/mVFkRJi
I have heard opinions stating that these aren't really travel speed feats and more so reaction speed and combat speed however i'll like to hear your thoughts on this.