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So, two more novels have been translated, and there's two minor upgrades.

1) Weak Regulation-class Materials are rated as "at least Wall level", since they were compared to a car accident and can easily defeat groups of pseudo-powered suits that can crush armored cars. In Vol 2, Chapter 2 we have the weakest Material possible, a Cost 1 Original Series, destroying the footing (a section of the bridge) under the two summoners fighting so that they fall.

A moment later, the battle began.

However, it did not start with the yellow and green goo clashing at the midpoint between each other.

The Original Green that Benikomichi Fuuki had become mercilessly smashed the giant bridge.

Kyousuke and Librarian-chan immediately sank down.

Gravity was pulling them.

Their footing crumbled, but as a summoner, Shiroyama Kyousuke immediately saw what they were after.


The bridge's dimensions are not given, but it supports a lot of people crossing at the same time, and the two summoners were fifteen meters apart at the time. From the same chapter.

As a great number of people crossed the bridge, he heard a sound within the parade of so many lights. He heard it as clearly as a pebble thrown into a cave.

[...]

He did not have time to answer. He looked back and saw a short boy standing about fifteen meters away.

Later in Chapter 4 a stronger Material (But still in the range of a weak Regulation-class) smashes through several bridges (Which has an illustration, the one in the Regulation-class page right now).

The Spear that Pursues Fresh Blood (bih ― ei ― dp ― tq). Cost: 9. Sound Range: Low. A flying spear over five meters long moved in the span of a breath.

With a deafening noise, the Material stabbed through the bridge Hayato was trying to land on. The bridge broke in two and Hayato nearly lost his balance in midair after preparing his legs like springs. And Kyousuke's Material did not stop there. It smashed through bridge after bridge.


So I think that the first key of Regulation-class Materials should be changed from "at least Wall level" to "Small Building level".

2) We have Divine-class Materials stated to be too fast for humans to react, as they exceed human kinetic vision, in Volume 3 Chapter 3. Kyousuke manages to predict its first movement (Basically aimdodging) since he's pretty good at doing that kind of thing but he states that it won't work again.

"Stalling for time earns you nothing."

"True, this doesn't solve the fundamental problem. And this cheap trick won't work again. My kinetic vision can't keep up with a Divine-class's movements. And more importantly, all Materials are filled with combative instincts, so it'll probably charge at me itself."

Yes.

If this strategy was effective, the theory of these battles would be very different. The summoners would stand out front to receive all the attacks while the Material bombarded their enemy from safety.

But that was not how things worked.

The Material moved out front and the summoner stayed back. There was a good reason for that.


The chapter's fact section reinforces this:

The protective circle can be used to stop Material attacks (although there are exceptions such as the White Queen). But based on the Material's mobility, the summoner can only react once or twice at the most, so it is not a good long-term strategy.

So "Subsonic" Divine-class Materials, which would fit a Divine-cass Material like the Yamata-no-Orochi being the equivalent of an Object like the Baby Magnum in the crossover (Now to wait for an AP feat or statement to back City level in canon).
 
I have highlighted the thread for more input.
 
No problem. Sometimes there just isn't anybody knowledgeable enough or interested enough available though, so highlighting the thread is no guarantee.
 
I support this. Though i think there was a quote somewhere on Vol. 3 about Materials changing at FTE speeds. I'll look for it once i get home.
 
1. Alright

2. I don't understand why this would be "At least Subsonic" rather than just Subsonic, same for White Queen?

3. We don't use crossovers for scaling
 
2) My mistake, was looking at the current stats where it is "at least Superhuman" and forgot to take it off. As for the White Queen, that's because the hierarchy of power in the series is something like this

Regulation-class<<Divine-class<<Unexplored-class<<<<<<<<White Queen

A regular Divine-class will easily oneshot even a high-cost Regulation-class, and the same goes for Unexplored-class against a Divine-classs The White Queen is very very superior to other Unexplored-classes (who have no speed feats since only one has shown up), including in speed, as noted in her page. Since the speed tiers they are in are so slow it seems reasonable to put her as at least the next one.

3) I'm aware we don't use them, if you check the Divine-class page you'll see that I'm not doing it. I simply pointed out that the canon series supports the speed displayed by a Divine-class in the crossover, just like White Queen's canon Acausality supports her laughing off and stomping Probability Manipulation users in the same battle. I was just mentioning that it'd be nice for the series to follow suit with an AP feat.
 
2) Ah, I see.

Then you have to put it her at "Unknown, at least Subsonic", as we don't simply jump an entire speed tier unless she was stated to be a specific set of number times faster. (And even then, that could be hyperbole)

3) Alright, sorry for confusing the intentions then.
 
2) Understood, changing the OP

3) Don't worry, I see how it could have been interpreted that way. It's not like I don't wish the crossover were canon, both for the city level Divine-class and for the Absolute Zero Hyou it would bring.
 
Well, I suppose that the suggested changes can be applied then.
 
It tends to depend on how wide the proportionate gap is between the upper and lower border of a tier.
 
The White Queen blitzed another Unexplored-class and she's basically the Saitama of her verse, far superior to everyone else, but as I mentioned we don't know how much faster other Unexplored-classes are compared to Divine-classes, so "Unknown, at least Subsonic" it's likely the best option until a better feat happens.

I'll go ahead and make the upgrades then.
 
Hm, i can't find the quote i mentioned before now, but i did find this:

It was an extreme close-range fight. The opening ritual was the breaking of the three-dimensional Rose made of White Thorns, but they interfered with even that.

"Bang☆"

Beyondetta acted first. With an explosive sound, she fired a sniper rifle round at close range.

She had yet to unfold her Blood-Sign, so she pulled the trigger in that state.

Kyousuke forcibly kept it away with his Repliglass Blood-Sign and rotated the Blood-Sign to let the force escape. He swung the long rod around for a powerful blow, but Beyondetta used her folded gun barrel to hold it back and forcibly grabbed the heated joint of hers.


Here, Kyousuke blocks a sniper shot from Beyondetta at a distance close enough that they can fight with their Blood-Signs. That's definitely higher than his current rating of Peak Human.
 
I brought up a similar feat on the same volume of another summoner blocking Beyondetta's bullet and saving to DontTalk, except we both agree it was a bit confusing on its wording. Besides, not only were both Kyousuke and the other summoner looking right at Beyondetta, Kyousuke's specialty is to predict the opponent's moves, so I think it counts as aimdodging.
 
Well, the thing with the other summoner really was confusing, though i think it's legit because he had no way of knowing where Beyondetta would shoot and she was too far away for just basing it on the position of the rifle.

You have a point about Kyousuke though.
 
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