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Merry Christmas. This is moreorless just more updates for IDW. Some upgrades and some downgrades. Thanks to Dark-Carioca for some of these calcs.
Profile reworks
Here are the reworks of the D-Void and Nova Prime, I'll outline the main changes for their ratings below:
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D-Void
This one isn't too hard I hope. Basically, the D-Void's whole plan was to consume the main universe, and merge it with itself The Transformers (2009) #30. That alone should be a 2-C feat as we know that the D-Void had the AP necessary for it's goal, but it's main problem was that it lacked the range to travel itself to other universes.
As such, the D-Void should be 2-C. The Matrix of Leadership should scale to this considering it destroyed the D-Void.
Nova Prime
So some big problems with this.
The main problem with this is that it is stated that the Dead Universe grows smaller and smaller due to D-Void being dead Dark Cybertron Chapter 2. And that Nova Prime's control of the Dead Universe comes from the Dead Universe shrinking Dark Cybertron Chapter 6. The smaller it gets, the more Nova's control grows. So that disqualifies the feat from being Low 2-C.
While we don't have a stated number as to how small the Dead universe has shrunk, we do at least see two spiral galaxies in the background as well as a huge ton of stars Dark Cybertron Chapter 7, so bare minimum, this would downgrade Nova's control of the dead Universe to 3-B.
Removal of High 6-A, likely 5-C, and upgrade to 5-B
This one is just pretty arbitrary, and that nothing really shows that the planet will reform after it's destruction, and if Brainstorm's statement is anything to go by, he more than likely means that half of the planet is entirely getting obliterated entirely, given he's the science guy.
Secondly. The calc assumes 90 percent hollowness since we had no idea how hollow Necroworld is. But now we have a proper answer. In Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #50, the RodPod is teleported to the center of Necroworld, and Megatron states that the distance between them and the planet's inner surface is 3000 miles, making Necroworld's hollow innards to be 6000 miles in diameter, or 9656.064 km.
With those new numbers in mind, this places destruction of half of Necroworld at 676.3781477055526 zettatons or Planet level, anyone who scales to High 6-A, likely 5-C should be 5-B.
Megatron's Full Armor
Not too complex. The Decepti-God has a statement of having the ability to shatter a world Transformers: Robots in Disguise #21. In context, they were on Cybertron and the D-Void's main goal was to destroy Cybertron so that it could enter the main universe. Megatron with his Full Armor was able to defeat it, and thus, he scales.
Cybertron's GBE stands at Planet level+. Meaning the D-Void and Megatron with his Full Armor should be Planet level+.
Removing Shockwave's possibly Low 1-C
Ok, so while its reasoning may seem pretty reasonable at first, it's pretty fault once you get into the context of the story.
- Firstly, it's well established that Shockwave was manipulating Nova Prime in order to take away Nova Prime's control over the dead universe Dark Cybertron Chapter 10, so Shockwave's plan of "merging all universes into one" is very likely a complete lie. Nova has been shown to be particularly obsessed with spreading his dominion over everything, so this is in line with what he would believe.
- Both Nova Prime and Shockwave are only aware of the living universe and the dead universe. There's nothing for us to assume they would be referring to alternate timelines, as neither of them have ever been shown to have knowledge of them up to that point.
- And when we do see Shockwave's actual plan unfold, the only thing explicitly shown to be collapsing was all of space-time itself, nothing remotely close to multiversal destruction is ever shown, with Shockwave explicitly mentioning only the universe itself Dark Cybertron Chapter 10.
TL;DR, remove possibly Low 1-C.
Unicron upgrade (kinda)
This one is pretty straightforward. In a vision of the future, it was shown that Unicron had devoured all of time and space, with the words here being "There isn't any time here, no time left at all" Transformers vs Visionaries #5. This, and Unicron has several statements of being to threaten the Universe.
This should warrant him an upgrade to Low 2-C right? Well, not exactly.
The way Unicron functions is that the more he consumes, the stronger he gets, as highly implied by Skyfire in this statement in Transformers: Unicron #5:
With this, I think the most appropriate rating would be
Class P LS upgrade
So we already know Trypticon is At least Class P coming from him and Metroplex being able to physically ragdoll each other, both of which are fairly similar in mass.
Devastator was capable of holding himself against Trypticon's jaw for an extended amount of time, and was able to block a tail swing from Trypticon The Transformers: Salvation. And Megatron was capable of lifting against one of the Devastator's own punches The Transformers: All Hail Megatron #10. So these two would pretty much downscale to "At most Class P". Anyone around their level should have their Class M upgraded to At most Class P.
Some scaling changes
Ok, so Arcee's current rating fairly faulty. For starters, most of her feats against Galvatron, who she currently scales to, mainly rely on harming The Transformers (2014) #52 him with her swords The Transformers (2014) #55. Without it, she's consistently shown The Transformers (2014) #52 to be physically overpowered The Transformers (2014) #37. The two times she did overpower, Galvatron was pretty clearly The Transformers (2014) #37 holding back against her as he was looking to chat. This isn't helped by Arcee being almost one-shot by Brawl The Transformers (2014) #49, whom Galvatron considers to be a joke The Transformers (2014) #52. As well as a grenade knocking her out, the same grenade which only stuns Magnus for a few moments Transformers: Spotlight: Arcee.
As for her other scaling:
Her new rating would be:
I do have plans for more rescaling, however they will have to wait as I'll get them done when I revise the other lesser profiles. That's all I have for now folks. Happy Holidays.
Profile reworks
Here are the reworks of the D-Void and Nova Prime, I'll outline the main changes for their ratings below:
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D-Void
This one isn't too hard I hope. Basically, the D-Void's whole plan was to consume the main universe, and merge it with itself The Transformers (2009) #30. That alone should be a 2-C feat as we know that the D-Void had the AP necessary for it's goal, but it's main problem was that it lacked the range to travel itself to other universes.
As such, the D-Void should be 2-C. The Matrix of Leadership should scale to this considering it destroyed the D-Void.
Nova Prime
So some big problems with this.
The main problem with this is that it is stated that the Dead Universe grows smaller and smaller due to D-Void being dead Dark Cybertron Chapter 2. And that Nova Prime's control of the Dead Universe comes from the Dead Universe shrinking Dark Cybertron Chapter 6. The smaller it gets, the more Nova's control grows. So that disqualifies the feat from being Low 2-C.
While we don't have a stated number as to how small the Dead universe has shrunk, we do at least see two spiral galaxies in the background as well as a huge ton of stars Dark Cybertron Chapter 7, so bare minimum, this would downgrade Nova's control of the dead Universe to 3-B.
Removal of High 6-A, likely 5-C, and upgrade to 5-B
This one is just pretty arbitrary, and that nothing really shows that the planet will reform after it's destruction, and if Brainstorm's statement is anything to go by, he more than likely means that half of the planet is entirely getting obliterated entirely, given he's the science guy.
Secondly. The calc assumes 90 percent hollowness since we had no idea how hollow Necroworld is. But now we have a proper answer. In Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #50, the RodPod is teleported to the center of Necroworld, and Megatron states that the distance between them and the planet's inner surface is 3000 miles, making Necroworld's hollow innards to be 6000 miles in diameter, or 9656.064 km.
With those new numbers in mind, this places destruction of half of Necroworld at 676.3781477055526 zettatons or Planet level, anyone who scales to High 6-A, likely 5-C should be 5-B.
Megatron's Full Armor
Not too complex. The Decepti-God has a statement of having the ability to shatter a world Transformers: Robots in Disguise #21. In context, they were on Cybertron and the D-Void's main goal was to destroy Cybertron so that it could enter the main universe. Megatron with his Full Armor was able to defeat it, and thus, he scales.
Cybertron's GBE stands at Planet level+. Meaning the D-Void and Megatron with his Full Armor should be Planet level+.
Removing Shockwave's possibly Low 1-C
Ok, so while its reasoning may seem pretty reasonable at first, it's pretty fault once you get into the context of the story.
- Firstly, it's well established that Shockwave was manipulating Nova Prime in order to take away Nova Prime's control over the dead universe Dark Cybertron Chapter 10, so Shockwave's plan of "merging all universes into one" is very likely a complete lie. Nova has been shown to be particularly obsessed with spreading his dominion over everything, so this is in line with what he would believe.
- Both Nova Prime and Shockwave are only aware of the living universe and the dead universe. There's nothing for us to assume they would be referring to alternate timelines, as neither of them have ever been shown to have knowledge of them up to that point.
- And when we do see Shockwave's actual plan unfold, the only thing explicitly shown to be collapsing was all of space-time itself, nothing remotely close to multiversal destruction is ever shown, with Shockwave explicitly mentioning only the universe itself Dark Cybertron Chapter 10.
TL;DR, remove possibly Low 1-C.
Unicron upgrade (kinda)
This one is pretty straightforward. In a vision of the future, it was shown that Unicron had devoured all of time and space, with the words here being "There isn't any time here, no time left at all" Transformers vs Visionaries #5. This, and Unicron has several statements of being to threaten the Universe.
- Unicron is capable of all of reality as stated in this interview by John Barber
- At the back of Optimus Prime - Annual 2018/Issues 22 to 25 Collection, Unicron is a danger to the universe itself.
- As stated in, Unicron would end the universe itself. Transformers: Unicron #4
This should warrant him an upgrade to Low 2-C right? Well, not exactly.
The way Unicron functions is that the more he consumes, the stronger he gets, as highly implied by Skyfire in this statement in Transformers: Unicron #5:
As well as stated in Issue 0:
And as we're shown in the comic, Unicron travels from world to world, destroying them one by one to make himself more powerful. With this in mind, it's reasonable to assume that Unicron threatening and eventually devouring Unicron happened via:
- Him slowly destroying the universe by travelling from one place to another
- The version of him that eventually did destroy time and space is a much stronger Unicron than the one we see in the comic.
With this, I think the most appropriate rating would be
Class P LS upgrade
So we already know Trypticon is At least Class P coming from him and Metroplex being able to physically ragdoll each other, both of which are fairly similar in mass.
Devastator was capable of holding himself against Trypticon's jaw for an extended amount of time, and was able to block a tail swing from Trypticon The Transformers: Salvation. And Megatron was capable of lifting against one of the Devastator's own punches The Transformers: All Hail Megatron #10. So these two would pretty much downscale to "At most Class P". Anyone around their level should have their Class M upgraded to At most Class P.
Some scaling changes
Ok, so Arcee's current rating fairly faulty. For starters, most of her feats against Galvatron, who she currently scales to, mainly rely on harming The Transformers (2014) #52 him with her swords The Transformers (2014) #55. Without it, she's consistently shown The Transformers (2014) #52 to be physically overpowered The Transformers (2014) #37. The two times she did overpower, Galvatron was pretty clearly The Transformers (2014) #37 holding back against her as he was looking to chat. This isn't helped by Arcee being almost one-shot by Brawl The Transformers (2014) #49, whom Galvatron considers to be a joke The Transformers (2014) #52. As well as a grenade knocking her out, the same grenade which only stuns Magnus for a few moments Transformers: Spotlight: Arcee.
As for her other scaling:
- Tackles Prowl easily The Transformers (2014) #37
- Sideswipe considers her dangerous, with her knocking him out easily later on The Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2012) #18. Which should at least scale her above him and Prowl.
- Prowl also utilizes her as his assassin, which should place her as more powerful than him.
- Beat down Rom, who can harm Soundwave Revolution (2016) #2, and has fought Rom Vs. Transformers: Shining Armor #2 another version Rom Vs. Transformers: Shining Armor #3 of Ultra Magnus
- Fortress Maximus, who James Roberts considers almost equal to Ultra Magnus, had Arcee as a last resort for Garrus 9's defenses. Transformers: Spotlight: Arcee
Her new rating would be:
I do have plans for more rescaling, however they will have to wait as I'll get them done when I revise the other lesser profiles. That's all I have for now folks. Happy Holidays.
