Terrifier Verse CRT

[ThePrimalHunter]

WARNING: The Terrifier movies are gorey as hell, and there will be discussion of some pretty disturbing & gorey topics, and a majority of the scans will feature it. If you aren't comfortable with excessive gore, I wouldn't recommend viewing the scans linked here

It has been almost 7 months since the release of Terrifier 3, yet we have hardly updated any of the Terrifier profiles. This CRT aims to get said profiles more up-to-date and include some of the feats seen in Terrifier 3 & the Terrifier 2 novelization

Art The Clown
Let's first discuss everyones favorite clown prince of chaos, The Miles County Clown

Removal of The Sinister Entity's Abilities
Pretty blatent error, The Sinister Entity is a seperate being from Art, and Art shouldn't have those abilities. Instead, those abilities should be given to The Little Pale Girl

Seperate Keys
In the novelization, Art gets stronger after being revived by The Little Pale Girl. So, we should split Art into 2 keys, Pre-Ressurection (Art during Terrifier 1) & Post-Ressurection (Art in Terrifier 2 & 3). Art is also confirmed to be human in the 1st film, but in the follow-up movies he's an undead demon of sorts

Human Art's Tiering
Human Art should remain 9-C. His skull crushing feat happens in the 1st movie, which is a 9-C feat, and he has numerous other 9-C feats, such as sawing a woman in half and scalping a woman, likely with his bare hands. I'd say Art's LS in this key should also be "At least Peak Human". Not only is crushing a skull like that Peak Human LS, but Art also rips a man's head off, which is a Class 5 feat. But, the guys head was mostly sawn through already, so Art wouldn't have to put in as much force as if his head was still fully attached, which is where the "At least" comes from.

Otherwise, Art doesn't have much impressive stuff in this key. He'd have his more basic hacks of Stealth Mastery, Weapon Mastery, Frightful Presence, Sleep Manipulation through sedatives, ect. Pretty much, just the stuff he had before becoming a supernatural entity. Otherwise, this key doesn't have much of note

Revived Art's Tiering
So after Art gets ressurected, he recieves a decent buff in power. He can effortlessly break bones, rip apart skulls, de-skin people, shatter a glass door, among various other human goring feats, and he can do all of this casually. Considering how easily Art rips humans apart like tissue paper & the fact that he upscales his previous key, he should at bare minimum be "At least Street level"

Idk if we should consider this, but Art does throw Sienna hard enough to shatter a wooden table, which is a Wall level feat (I know it's mostly glass, but other simular feats have reached Wall level). Considering how effortlessly Art can preform 9-C feats, I don't think it's that ridiculous to give him a 9-B rating from this, or maybe an "At least 9-C, possibly 9-B" rating. Granted, this is his only 9-B feat throughout the movies (that I could find), so if this gets deemed an outlier, I'd understand that. Either way, Art should still be 9-B with equipment because he has explosives that reach within this range.

For LS, Art would be Class 10 due to ripping off a guys jaw, which is in this range. This is fairly consistant as Art has also ripped off a mans head (Class 5 LS) & has ripped open a womans ribcage before (Another Class 5 LS feat).

Hax
Art should loose stuff such as his fire manipulation & his Type 3 immortality. The fire manipulation is because I don't think it's ever even implied that Art caused the fire in Sienna's room. That was Sienna's fault, she was the one that put the highly flammable wings right above the obsurd amount of candles she had lit. I also don't think that Art was responsible for her nightmare, as that seemed to be because she was thinking about Art as she went to sleep. Johnathan was talking about The Miles County Clown case right before she went to bed, so it'd make sense for him to appear in her dream, especially with his fear inducement. Art also shouldn't have the Type 3 Immortality because it was TLPG that healed up the bullet wound in his head, not Art.

Art's regen should also be nerfed to High-Low. Again, Art regenerating his eye & brain was TLPG's doing. But, Art was able to re-attach his head after he was decapitated and quickly healed up a massive gash in his neck, so he'd still have regen, it's just not as powerful as we claim it is.

Other abilities Art should have include:

• Type 7 Immortality (He's a ressurected corpse essentially)
• Type 2 Self-Sustenance (Art went 5 years straight without eating any food or water)
• Preparation (He prepared a freeze gun & some explosives)
• Extrasensory Perception (Despite lacking a head, Art could still move his body & navigate his surroundings. According to Mr. Bambu, this would be Extrasensory Perception)
• Body Control (Art could control his body even while missing a head)
• Ice Manipulation (Via his ice gun)
• Explosion Manipulation (Via his bombs)
• Resistance to Holy Manipulation (Art withstood several attacks from Sienna's magical sword, which was crafted by a demon enslaved by the Virgin Mary, and was able to quickly subdue The Little Pale Girl, who is a demon)

Lastly, I wanted to discuss Art's intelligence. Art, although he doesn't have the greatest common sense ever, can still do some impressive things, such as making explosives and even a freeze gun off of pretty minimal equipment. I think an intelligence rating of "Average in General Intelligence, Gifted in Invention Capabilities" or something like that would be best. He often shows himself to be a bit of a buffon (like being surprised that his cheap-ahh plastic wrap was so easily ripped through & giving people really easy opportunities to get away from him, such as with Tara & Victoria), but can still come up with basic traps and strategies, which is where the Average intelligence comes from, and I'd say making stuff like powerful explosives and freeze guns is fairly gifted.

Sienna Shaw
Ah Sienna Shaw, a great final girl with an outdated profile. Let's fix her up.

So for her AP, I'd honestly argue that she should downscale from Art. Now sure, Art's undeniably stronger, but it's not like Sienna can't put up a fight against him. She has hurt him before and has even launched him back with a kick. She could also somewhat wrestle with him and is in general able to keep up (though mostly due to the fact that she outskills him). Her AP & LS shouldn't scale directly, but I'd say she's shown herself to be deserving of "At most 9-C, possibly 9-B" and "At most Class 10". She'd obviously be higher with her sword, as the sword can cut apart Art pretty easily and was specifically designed to kill powerful demons.

For Speed, she could keep up with Art in a fight and attack TLPG before she could do anything, so she'd be Athletic Human (I'll debunk TLPG's superhuman speed in her section)

Now for her hax. Sienna should get a nerf to her Regen. That's not Mid regen. Like, at all. All she really heals from is a stab wound & her hands being ripped apart. That would just be mid-low. She should also probably have some degree of martial arts seeing how she preformed pretty well against Art in hand-to-hand despite the stats difference. Attack Reflection should be removed because that happened in a dream & there's no proof that the sword can actually do this outside of her dream.

Sienna should also be given the following hax:

• Supernatural Willpower (Sienna, despite having just been extremely mentally & physically tortured by TLPG & Art, witnessing the last of her family being brutally killed right in front of her, and recieving SEVERE damage to her hands, was still able to resist TLPG's attempt to possess her and went on to battle her & Art. Sienna can also keep fighting despite horrific injuries, and in an attempt to save her cousin, cut the absolute hell out of her hands with her own blade, yet was still able to fight through all of it through nothing but pure grit. Gotta respect her "never give up" attitude)
• Resistance to Possession (She willpowered herself out of possession)

Otherise, Sienna's profile looks good

The Little Pale Girl
Her profile looks good, other than the speed stat. That is the definition of hyperbole. By that logic, should we give characters Massively Hypersonic+ speeds because they are described as having "lightning-quick reflexes?" Although your typical COTE powerscaler would say otherwise the answer is no, because it's very clearly hyperbolic. She honestly has no impressive speed feats. She was blitzed by Sienna, who is pretty much equal in speed to Art, whose most impressive feats are being able to outrun regular people & attack them before they can react, which isn't anything special at all. I'd honestly say that she's really only fit for Average Human speed, as she has virtually no feats.

Also, if Art does become 9-B, then obviously she'd also be 9-B since she upscales him

TL;DR

• Art shouldn't have The Sinister Entity's powers listed on his profile
• Art should have Pre-Ressurection & Post-Ressurection keys
• Pre-Ressurection Art is 9-C & has at least Peak Human LS, Post-Ressurection Art should be either "At least 9-C", "At least 9-C, possibly 9-B" or just 9-B & have Class 10 LS
• Art should loose:
  • Fire Manipulation
  • Type 3 Immortality
• Art's Regen should be nerfed to High-Low
• Post-Ressurection Art should gain the following abilities:
  • Type 7 Immortality
  • Type 2 Self-Sustenance
  • Preparation
  • Extrasensory Perception
  • Body Control
  • Ice Manipulation
  • Explosion Manipulation
  • Resistance to Holy Manipulation
• Art's intelligence should be "Average in General Intelligence, Gifted in Invention Capabilities", or something along those lines
• Sienna Shaw should downscale Art some in both AP & LS, and would scale to his AP with her sword & durability
• Sienna's speed should be "Athletic Human"
• Sienna's Regen should be nerfed to Mid-Low
• Sienna should gain the following abilities:
  • Supernatural Willpower
  • Resistance to Possession
• TLPG's speed should be nerfed to "Average Human"
• TLPG's AP would upscale whatever Post-Ressurection Art ends up scaling too

EDIT: Mr. Bambu has recommended the following edits in these posts

• Human Art should have "At least Athletic Human, possibly Peak Human" LS & possibly a nerf to AP
• Ressurected Art should be flat 9-C & "At least Class 5, likely Class 10"
• Art should have "Above Average, possibly higher" intelligence
• Sienna should heavily downscale from Art, and should have "At least 10-A, possibly 9-C" AP & "Possibly Class 5, at most Class 10" LS

Agree: 3 (Tllmbrg, Renitr, Bendynoah10)
Disagree: 0 ()
Neutral: 0 ()

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

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[Tllmbrg]

Looks good

 

[Renitr]

I think if you consider how easily Art can perform 9-C feats and that he has become stronger in 2th and 3th parts, then I see no problem in 9-B (without possibly) Post Ressurection Art

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

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[HASE-1929]

Looks fine

 

[Mr. Bambu]

for the record I was so optimistic to watch this franchise but the first movie sucked so bad that I immediately decided not to watch the follow ups, Art the Clown is a neat concept but the movie was dog

Human Art's Tiering
Human Art should remain 9-C. His skull crushing feat happens in the 1st movie, which is a 9-C feat, and he has numerous other 9-C feats, such as sawing a woman in half and scalping a woman, likely with his bare hands. I'd say Art's LS in this key should also be "At least Peak Human". Not only is crushing a skull like that Peak Human LS, but Art also rips a man's head off, which is a Class 5 feat. But, the guys head was mostly sawn through already, so Art wouldn't have to put in as much force as if his head was still fully attached, which is where the "At least" comes from.

Why would it be "likely with his bare hands", in regards to the scalping? His hands aren't sharp, there's no reason to assume he'd be able to get a clean cut like that, and he definitely just has access to cutting tools. I'd be content with "At least 10-A, likely 9-C, 9-C with weapons". His weapon feats are obviously 9-C but that's basically presumed by default with most weapons. Crushing the skull would be 9-C although it being his only feat and it being done in multiple hits muddles it- granted that it's still 9-C, but it isn't great as standalone evidence for physicals.

Disagree with the skull crushing scaling, it was done in multiple quick strikes, not by just squeezing it. You already point out the issue with the supposed Class 5 feat. Also like. The skull crush was done with his legs, which tend to be stronger. There's nothing to suggest human Art could physically compare to an Olympian-level athlete here. If you wanted "at least Athletic Human, possibly Peak Human", I'd be content to allow that- the feats are self evidently flawed but they are present, I guess.

Revived Art's Tiering
So after Art gets ressurected, he recieves a decent buff in power. He can effortlessly break bones, rip apart skulls, de-skin people, shatter a glass door, among various other human goring feats, and he can do all of this casually. Considering how easily Art rips humans apart like tissue paper & the fact that he upscales his previous key, he should at bare minimum be "At least Street level"

I'd just phrase it as "9-C", nothing really implies he'd be higher- anything close is done over a longer period of time (like the "de-skinning", that's not just an attack, it's a gradual process spanning a scene's length). I also wouldn't call that specific feat casual.

Idk if we should consider this, but Art does throw Sienna hard enough to shatter a wooden table, which is a Wall level feat (I know it's mostly glass, but other simular feats have reached Wall level). Considering how effortlessly Art can preform 9-C feats, I don't think it's that ridiculous to give him a 9-B rating from this, or maybe an "At least 9-C, possibly 9-B" rating. Granted, this is his only 9-B feat throughout the movies (that I could find), so if this gets deemed an outlier, I'd understand that. Either way, Art should still be 9-B with equipment because he has explosives that reach within this range.

That's like. The cheapest made wooden table of all time. And also very very small. I'd disagree with Wall level on that basis. Explosives being 9-B is obviously fine.

For LS, Art would be Class 10 due to ripping off a guys jaw, which is in this range. This is fairly consistant as Art has also ripped off a mans head (Class 5 LS) & has ripped open a womans ribcage before (Another Class 5 LS feat).

He spends a long time weakening the first one, the second one he could have just cut off (the clip doesn't show him ripping it off, at least, and again, he has sharp tools, Occam's Razor is an oddly applicable name here), the ribcage is mostly fine although it looks like he's taking bits of bone out of it immediately prior to the rip? I dunno what I'd suggest here. The Class 10 is probably the most solid feat other than that he spends a long time working on it, so I'd be fine with "At least Class 5, likely Class 10", ig, although none of them are 100% untouchable.

Hax
Art should loose stuff such as his fire manipulation & his Type 3 immortality. The fire manipulation is because I don't think it's ever even implied that Art caused the fire in Sienna's room. That was Sienna's fault, she was the one that put the highly flammable wings right above the obsurd amount of candles she had lit. I also don't think that Art was responsible for her nightmare, as that seemed to be because she was thinking about Art as she went to sleep. Johnathan was talking about The Miles County Clown case right before she went to bed, so it'd make sense for him to appear in her dream, especially with his fear inducement. Art also shouldn't have the Type 3 Immortality because it was TLPG that healed up the bullet wound in his head, not Art.

Art's regen should also be nerfed to High-Low. Again, Art regenerating his eye & brain was TLPG's doing. But, Art was able to re-attach his head after he was decapitated and quickly healed up a massive gash in his neck, so he'd still have regen, it's just not as powerful as we claim it is.

Other abilities Art should have include:

• Type 7 Immortality (He's a ressurected corpse essentially)
• Type 2 Self-Sustenance (Art went 5 years straight without eating any food or water)
• Preparation (He prepared a freeze gun & some explosives)
• Enhanced Senses/Extrasensory Perception (Despite lacking a head, Art could still move his body & navigate his surroundings. I'm not sure what hacks this would be though tbh)
• Body Control (Art could control his body even while missing a head)
• Ice Manipulation (Via his ice gun)
• Explosion Manipulation (Via his bombs)
• Resistance to Holy Manipulation (Art withstood several attacks from Sienna's magical sword, which was crafted by a demon enslaved by the Virgin Mary, and was able to quickly subdue The Little Pale Girl, who is a demon)

I'd go Extrasensory Perception, his senses aren't shown to be more powerful, but he does appear able to (in some capacity) use them even when it should be physically impossible to do so. I'm not if we'd give Resistance for that, it strictly did affect him, and he doesn't seem to be a demon in the same way the LPG is, so like. I just think the resistance is unnecessary. No other notes, everything else seems fine.

Lastly, I wanted to discuss Art's intelligence. Art, although he doesn't have the greatest common sense ever, can still do some impressive things, such as making explosives and even a freeze gun off of pretty minimal equipment. I think an intelligence rating of "Average in General Intelligence, Gifted in Invention Capabilities" or something like that would be best. He often shows himself to be a bit of a buffon (like being surprised that his cheap-ahh plastic wrap was so easily ripped through & giving people really easy opportunities to get away from him, such as with Tara & Victoria), but can still come up with basic traps and strategies, which is where the Average intelligence comes from, and I'd say making stuff like powerful explosives and freeze guns is fairly gifted.

I don't even think his anti-feats are bad, given the context of like... Art's just having fun. He can misjudge situations to his detriment at times but for the most part he's ******* with the people he's fighting. Above Average, possibly higher in general intelligence would be my conclusion, I think. The explosives are definitely notable but it isn't an insane feat to make something explosive. It isn't a bad feat, either, of course. Liquid nitrogen in a fire extinguisher is actually less impressive, I think, but still good.

Sienna Shaw
Ah Sienna Shaw, a great final girl with an outdated profile. Let's fix her up.

So for her AP, I'd honestly argue that she should downscale from Art. Now sure, Art's undeniably stronger, but it's not like Sienna can't put up a fight against him. She has hurt him before and has even launched him back with a kick. She could also somewhat wrestle with him and is in general able to keep up (though mostly due to the fact that she outskills him). Her AP & LS shouldn't scale directly, but I'd say she's shown herself to be deserving of "At most 9-C, possibly 9-B" and "At most Class 10". She'd obviously be higher with her sword, as the sword can cut apart Art pretty easily and was specifically designed to kill powerful demons.

For Speed, she could keep up with Art in a fight and attack TLPG before she could do anything, so she'd be Athletic Human (I'll debunk TLPG's superhuman speed in her section)

Now for her hax. Sienna should get a nerf to her Regen. That's not Mid regen. Like, at all. All she really heals from is a stab wound & her hands being ripped apart. That would just be mid-low. She should also probably have some degree of martial arts seeing how she preformed pretty well against Art in hand-to-hand despite the stats difference. Attack Reflection should be removed because that happened in a dream & there's no proof that the sword can actually do this outside of her dream.

Sienna should also be given the following hax:

• Supernatural Willpower (Sienna, despite having just been extremely mentally & physically tortured by TLPG & Art, witnessing the last of her family being brutally killed right in front of her, and recieving SEVERE damage to her hands, was still able to resist TLPG's attempt to possess her and went on to battle her & Art. Sienna can also keep fighting despite horrific injuries, and in an attempt to save her cousin, cut the absolute hell out of her hands with her own blade, yet was still able to fight through all of it through nothing but pure grit. Gotta respect her "never give up" attitude)
• Resistance to Possession (She willpowered herself out of possession)

Otherise, Sienna's profile looks good

Moving Art isn't that impressive, to be honest. He still weighs a normal human amount. I don't think you understand the concept of "at most", either- like. What's the point of marking it "At most 9-C" if you immediately then after say "...but possibly 9-B". Her best feats for AP are just... moving Art around, immediately after which he ******* picked her up and slammed her. I don't agree she should downscale from Art at all. She definitely doesn't scale to Class 10. The sword being on-par with Art is fine.

No complaint to the speed or hax, her scaling to them seems fine (although I get the impression Art sorta lets her do a lot of the stuff she does, turns out having a ****** up psyche is occasionally a flaw). If we give her Martial Arts it's obviously really limited but I agree that her skills in fighting are demonstrably above a normal ass human so like. I agree with that.

The Little Pale Girl
Her profile looks good, other than the speed stat. That is the definition of hyperbole. By that logic, should we give characters Massively Hypersonic+ speeds because they are described as having "lightning-quick reflexes?" Although your typical COTE powerscaler would say otherwise the answer is no, because it's very clearly hyperbolic. She honestly has no impressive speed feats. She was blitzed by Sienna, who is pretty much equal in speed to Art, whose most impressive feats are being able to outrun regular people & attack them before they can react, which isn't anything special at all. I'd honestly say that she's really only fit for Average Human speed, as she has virtually no feats.

Also, if Art does become 9-B, then obviously she'd also be 9-B since she upscales him

I'm fine with upscaling from Art (9-C), and the speed change.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

for the record I was so optimistic to watch this franchise but the first movie sucked so bad that I immediately decided not to watch the follow ups, Art the Clown is a neat concept but the movie was dog

The 2nd and 3rd ones are actually decent, I'd personally reccomend them if you have the stomach

Human Art Stuff

Seems fine to me

Revived Art Stuff

Seems mostly fine to me, though I don't agree with nerfing the jaw removal part. Most of the scene is focused on him just pulling the skin itself apart. Once he makes the downward motion, the jaw comes off with one clean movement, and I don't really see how pulling the skin at the top of the head would weaken the ligaments in the jaw. It's not like he's grabbing onto the jaw itself & pulling for an extended period of time, he spends that time pulling on the skin before making a quick downward motion, which is what ultimately disconnects the jaw

Moving Art isn't that impressive, to be honest. He still weighs a normal human amount. I don't think you understand the concept of "at most", either- like. What's the point of marking it "At most 9-C" if you immediately then after say "...but possibly 9-B". Her best feats for AP are just... moving Art around, immediately after which he ******* picked her up and slammed her. I don't agree she should downscale from Art at all. She definitely doesn't scale to Class 10. The sword being on-par with Art is fine.

This one I do disagree with. She directly causes Art pain with her bare hands numerous times throughout the fight, wrestles with him, parries & redirects his attacks, holds her own when he's pressing his weapon against her, etc. If she wasn't at least somewhat comparable to him in LS, she would've died here, here, here, and here. Art is putting in his full strength to try and overpower her and she's keeping up. She has also flat-out disarmed him before. She's not just moving his weight around, she's actively holding Art's strikes back.

I also don't think this is a case of Art holding back or anything here like he does with some other victims. He knows Sienna can kill him and frequently attempts fatal strikes with his chainsaw throughout their fight. He's trying to end the fight with each move and is putting his full strength into his attacks, yet Sienna can clash with him & parry the chainsaw. Yeah, Art's stronger, which is why he could pick her up (which does go a bit against your own logic, she also only weighs a normal human amount so Art picking her up shouldn't be anything impressive), but I think saying that she doesn't downscale from him at all is a bit ridiculous when she's constantly pushing back against him.

Off-topic but kind of funny, after finding all of these scans I got reccomended these "Doctor Reacts To Terrifier" videos on YT which... like... what commentary is the doctor supposed to give here?

sees a man getting sawed in half vertically with a chainsaw "Mhm, yes, so that would probably kill you." The doctors imput seems a but unneeded here

 

[Mr. Bambu]

The 2nd and 3rd ones are actually decent, I'd personally reccomend them if you have the stomach

Maybe. There's a lot of good movies out there to see that I've yet to see- I've seen a shitload but miles to go before I sleep and all that. It is nice to hear they improved after the first, it was a very disappointing experience (low budget horror flicks are often hit or miss, admittedly). Stomach isn't an issue- I've seen Martyrs and only flinched instinctively like, seven times, harhar.

Seems mostly fine to me, though I don't agree with nerfing the jaw removal part. Most of the scene is focused on him just pulling the skin itself apart. Once he makes the downward motion, the jaw comes off with one clean movement, and I don't really see how pulling the skin at the top of the head would weaken the ligaments in the jaw. It's not like he's grabbing onto the jaw itself & pulling for an extended period of time, he spends that time pulling on the skin before making a quick downward motion, which is what ultimately disconnects the jaw

Ehh. He spends a really long time tearing there, only achieving the end after a continuous pull. I don't know what else you'd interpret that as. Like. You're right that it comes straight off with the downward motion but it does so as part of the de-skinning, so it's a continued, lasting effort, not really indicative of Art being able to just like, flip over a car or whatever. There's ambiguity to it but I think leaving it as "At least Class 5, likely Class 10" recognizes that ambiguity fine.

This one I do disagree with. She directly causes Art pain with her bare hands numerous times throughout the fight, wrestles with him, parries & redirects his attacks, holds her own when he's pressing his weapon against her, etc. If she wasn't at least somewhat comparable to him in LS, she would've died here, here, here, and here. Art is putting in his full strength to try and overpower her and she's keeping up. She has also flat-out disarmed him before. She's not just moving his weight around, she's actively holding Art's strikes back.

I also don't think this is a case of Art holding back or anything here like he does with some other victims. He knows Sienna can kill him and frequently attempts fatal strikes with his chainsaw throughout their fight. He's trying to end the fight with each move and is putting his full strength into his attacks, yet Sienna can clash with him & parry the chainsaw. Yeah, Art's stronger, which is why he could pick her up (which does go a bit against your own logic, she also only weighs a normal human amount so Art picking her up shouldn't be anything impressive), but I think saying that she doesn't downscale from him at all is a bit ridiculous when she's constantly pushing back against him.

I guess I would agree with heavy downscaling. If we're putting Art at 9-C flat out, then Sienna could be "At least 10-A, possibly 9-C" and "...possibly Class 5, at most Class 10" (presuming my interpretations are what ends up suggested). I don't see her causing Art much harm with her bare hands, but the LS stuff you have a point on. It's possible the sword helps a lot, given it's like, demon kryptonite or whatever to my knowledge, but the grappling on the floor shows signs of Art really, actually trying to move her and her resisting. So I'll concede on this bit, albeit perhaps to a lesser degree than you seem to interpret it.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Off-topic but kind of funny, after finding all of these scans I got reccomended these "Doctor Reacts To Terrifier" videos on YT which... like... what commentary is the doctor supposed to give here?

sees a man getting sawed in half vertically with a chainsaw "Mhm, yes, so that would probably kill you." The doctors imput seems a but unneeded here

(for the record, that is psychotic but if I had to guess it's probably sitting at like 2m views from people equally as curious as to what the **** he's gonna say- like, "damn, what would a doctor think of this shit?")

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Ehh. He spends a really long time tearing there, only achieving the end after a continuous pull. I don't know what else you'd interpret that as. Like. You're right that it comes straight off with the downward motion but it does so as part of the de-skinning, so it's a continued, lasting effort, not really indicative of Art being able to just like, flip over a car or whatever. There's ambiguity to it but I think leaving it as "At least Class 5, likely Class 10" recognizes that ambiguity fine.


I guess I would agree with heavy downscaling. If we're putting Art at 9-C flat out, then Sienna could be "At least 10-A, possibly 9-C" and "...possibly Class 5, at most Class 10" (presuming my interpretations are what ends up suggested). I don't see her causing Art much harm with her bare hands, but the LS stuff you have a point on. It's possible the sword helps a lot, given it's like, demon kryptonite or whatever to my knowledge, but the grappling on the floor shows signs of Art really, actually trying to move her and her resisting. So I'll concede on this bit, albeit perhaps to a lesser degree than you seem to interpret it.

Both of these I'm okay with, I'll add these corrections to the OP

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

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[ThePrimalHunter]

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[ThePrimalHunter]

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[HorrorHistory]

I don’t see why Sienna would downscale by a lot. They seem flat out comparable to each other in T2 & 3, and the T2 novelization even had her overpowering him.

Art’s intelligence should definitely be within Above Average-Gifted range though.

 

[09Kayson09]

Looks fine to me

 

[09Kayson09]

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[Raincutter]

Agree with the profile separation, keys, and LS upgrade. I tried to get the same changes made before but couldn't. Also. Sienna is just outright stated to equal or overpower him at time, so no downscaling required. She just has inferior stamina so Art does get the better of her in their prolonged fights.

 

[HorrorHistory]

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