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Exactly, I'm not arguing teleportation, they are in the same location, thanks in advance for making things easier.
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Sonic downgrades: Babylon’s Fraud
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So you agree that the Babylon Guardian is literally creating these worlds over the infinite space of the digital dimension? Because there hasn't been a concrete argument so far that indicates the contrary, these worlds are not holograms, they are alterations of the space of the digital dimension.
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Yeah I agree him creating hologramic worlds, which are just textures over the actual true electronic circuit, plus not only the digital dimension is arguably not infinite, but also he didn't even affect the whole "infinite space".
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I know, but Dalsean approved of it...
You Omnicidal Maniac, You Blew It Up (Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity Feat)
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Bump, I think at least Babylon Guardian should have high 3-A removed from physicals and have it at best be tied to non combat applicable reality warping/data manip, and only Master Core potentially scaling with physicals (even then it’s prolly debatable)
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By the way I'm unfamiliar with the nuances of the original argument so why did we take "extends into infinite nothingness" hyper-literally instead of assuming it's metaphorical? That and if we do take it literally why would it be assumed that the Babylon Gaurdian warped the entire space by default instead of just what we see?
Anyways that out of the way I agree with High 3-A being removed for physicals at least or with that rating being changed to a 3-C possibly High 3-A at best. Although I'm honestly leaning more towards High 3-A being removed entirely.
Anyways that out of the way I agree with High 3-A being removed for physicals at least or with that rating being changed to a 3-C possibly High 3-A at best. Although I'm honestly leaning more towards High 3-A being removed entirely.
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The space itself being possibly High 3-A seems to be okay based on what was said earlier. Scaling to it would now be entirely dependent on Master Core, due to being the engine unit powering the whole garden.
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Imo it should be 3-C and a possible High 3-A tier
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By reconciliation do you mean:
-3-C, High 3-A via reality warping for Guardian
-3-C for Pre-ZG base cast
-3-C to 3-B, possibly High 3-A for ABIS and post-Zero Gravity cast
Or some combination of those.
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Sorry, I messed up a little, Babylon Guardian should be Unknown normally and High 3-A with RW, not 3-C normally.
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Honestly I primarily disagree with the downgrade for plenty of the other reasons others mentioned, such as the holograms being tangible. I'd also like to add the Babylon Guardian's attacks themselves are also tangible with the Babylon Guardian being the one who reshapes the Digital Dimension and sustains it. But if need be I think a "possibly High 3-A" would be fine if no conclusion can be reached about the hologram situation. Now, I don't entirely agree with using a single website statement that we can't even access normally and isn't implied much in-game for high 3-A, but that's an entirely different can of worms
I do think the justification scaling Sonic and co. to it needs to be adjusted, though. Something akin to "Sonic and co. can withstand attacks from the Babylon Guardian without issue and can harm each other" and a perhaps note regarding its digital nature and why it still scales
Edit: I'd also like to mention the spirit hands in Digital Dimension can pull you in and outright grab you if that adds anything.
I do think the justification scaling Sonic and co. to it needs to be adjusted, though. Something akin to "Sonic and co. can withstand attacks from the Babylon Guardian without issue and can harm each other" and a perhaps note regarding its digital nature and why it still scales
Edit: I'd also like to mention the spirit hands in Digital Dimension can pull you in and outright grab you if that adds anything.
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