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Clarification for this thread, I decided to search through our Bleach profiles to see if there is anything in them I believe should be removed and I found some things, so here we are addressing these abilities.
So with that said, let's get to these abilities.
(High Priority)
Lille’s Logic Manipulation:
It truly does suck to remove abilities you personally argued for, but here we are.
So yeah, I disagree with Lille’s Logic Manipulation. It’s a stretch and a half to assume Shunsui describing how his “logic” doesn’t work on him, is because Lille locally disallows logic itself from interfering with him, when said ability is never explicitly stated to exist. It can be easily asserted, with less assumptions, that Shunsui describing how his “logic” doesn’t affect Lille, is him describing how nothing he does, specifically nothing he does with his Shikai’s ability to bring forth children's games into reality, can hurt Lille. Shunsui’s “logic” would be the games and rules brought forth by his Shikai, as both in conjunction with one another form an entirely new set of logical considerations when participating in them. He’s manipulating “logic” by doing this, descriptively, but he isn’t doing so by any meaningful, fundamental degree, that the ability would call for to be true.
(Medium Priority)
Rukia’s Power Nullification:
I’m actually confused how this got accepted in the first place. When you look at the evidence the claim made, which I’m assuming is the actual claim made as the justification given is severely lacking in terms of clarity, is that Rukia blocked, and nullified As Nodt’s Fear by destroying it. This is supposedly supported by the anime clip of the initial of As Nodt’s Schrift being frozen and destroyed, implying the effect derived from the ability was affected in some way.
Let’s address the anime clip. The anime providing a scene where As Nodt had the initials of his Schrift frozen and destroyed doesn’t deductively follow that the ability was forcefully deactivated. Nothing implies it was, it’s just assumed that it was without any justified reasoning in the justification given. Additionally, the scene itself is clearly a symbolic shot of As Nodt being frozen and destroyed by Rukia’s Bankai, which is why the scene preceding this one is the aftermath of Rukia’s Bankai, with As Nodt’s head slowly breaking away into pieces and being carried with the wind. It’s a stylized shot of a occurring event, which is something Kubo does all the time (A notable example of this being thoroughly explained here)
Unless evidence is provided that the ability was truly deactivated, it should be removed.
Also, Rukia has an additional justification for her Power Nullification that she can freeze and break attacks, thus providing her the ability. I extensively explained why this doesn’t work in the Baraggan section of this post, so reference that to understand why I believe this should be removed as well.
(Low Priority)
Rukia’s Non-Physical Interaction and Matter Manipulation:
Non-Physical Interaction is already addressed by Rukia’s Soul Physiology, and Quincy Heilig Pfeil are explicitly physical constructs, formed by Reishi particles, which is spiritual matter. It’s why these arrows can interact with objects in the first place; why they snap when enough physical pressure is applied, and why physical substances like blood can adhere to them.
Matter Manipulation is both redundant as it’s implicitly explained by her Absolute Zero, and incorrect with the context as she isn’t specifically manipulating any physical particle here, she’s just consequently affecting them because it’s an inherent physical property of Absolute Zero.
Baraggan’s Corrosion Inducement, Pain Manipulation, and Limited Power Nullification:
Corrosion Inducement and Pain Manipulation misses the point of both abilities. Corrosion Inducement is categorized when a substance mechanically acts like, and has comparable, corrosive effects to actual caustic substances. Baraggan manipulates Time to force objects to undergo rapid aging, which naturally causes them to erode away. He isn’t manipulating anything mechanically similar to that, so remove it.
Pain Manipulation is also categorized when a thing both mechanically and effect-wise, acts in parallel with one another. Baraggan mechanically isn’t inflicting pain specifically, he’s just aging you, which naturally causes cell degradation, and subsequently, inflicts pain in the process.
Baraggan’s Power Nullification also misses the point of the ability.
Power Nullification is about nullifying and disabling abilities, usually by supernatural means. Baraggan, while capable of technically “nullifying” techniques by aging them, he isn’t actually targeting the ability itself, but rather the construction formed by the technique. To borrow an applicable analogy, when Baraggan fought against Hachigen, he didn’t nullify Hachigen’s innate ability to manipulate Spiritual Energy to create Kido, he nullified the Kido constructs created by that formulation. That’s the substantial difference between a natural consequence of a separate ability, and Power Nullification specifically.
Zommari’s Limited Damage Reduction:
Simply put, this ability was categorized before Arc revised the profiles and updated Zommari’s Durability section to upscale his durability with the technique. We can’t accept both as being true since asserting Zommari lessened the damage of the attack implies he didn’t withstand the full brunt of it, which calls into question the potency of which he did endure. Because of this contradiction, we must address it. We have two options: we either remove the ability and leave the rating, or we remove the rating and leave the ability.
Personally, I would just remove the ability as there is inherently more evidence supporting the other interpretation, since it doesn’t require you to assume Zommari’s Res has this unexplained innate ability to magically lessen the impact of attacks, when the event depicted is him literally curling up into a ball and shielding himself from Gokei. That to me seems like he’s just blocking it physically, not him lessening its potency through a separate, esoteric effect.
Voting:
Agree - @Damage3245, @LephyrTheRevanchist, @LordTracer
Disagree -
Neutral -
So with that said, let's get to these abilities.
(High Priority)
Lille’s Logic Manipulation:
It truly does suck to remove abilities you personally argued for, but here we are.
So yeah, I disagree with Lille’s Logic Manipulation. It’s a stretch and a half to assume Shunsui describing how his “logic” doesn’t work on him, is because Lille locally disallows logic itself from interfering with him, when said ability is never explicitly stated to exist. It can be easily asserted, with less assumptions, that Shunsui describing how his “logic” doesn’t affect Lille, is him describing how nothing he does, specifically nothing he does with his Shikai’s ability to bring forth children's games into reality, can hurt Lille. Shunsui’s “logic” would be the games and rules brought forth by his Shikai, as both in conjunction with one another form an entirely new set of logical considerations when participating in them. He’s manipulating “logic” by doing this, descriptively, but he isn’t doing so by any meaningful, fundamental degree, that the ability would call for to be true.
(Medium Priority)
Rukia’s Power Nullification:
I’m actually confused how this got accepted in the first place. When you look at the evidence the claim made, which I’m assuming is the actual claim made as the justification given is severely lacking in terms of clarity, is that Rukia blocked, and nullified As Nodt’s Fear by destroying it. This is supposedly supported by the anime clip of the initial of As Nodt’s Schrift being frozen and destroyed, implying the effect derived from the ability was affected in some way.
Let’s address the anime clip. The anime providing a scene where As Nodt had the initials of his Schrift frozen and destroyed doesn’t deductively follow that the ability was forcefully deactivated. Nothing implies it was, it’s just assumed that it was without any justified reasoning in the justification given. Additionally, the scene itself is clearly a symbolic shot of As Nodt being frozen and destroyed by Rukia’s Bankai, which is why the scene preceding this one is the aftermath of Rukia’s Bankai, with As Nodt’s head slowly breaking away into pieces and being carried with the wind. It’s a stylized shot of a occurring event, which is something Kubo does all the time (A notable example of this being thoroughly explained here)
Unless evidence is provided that the ability was truly deactivated, it should be removed.
Also, Rukia has an additional justification for her Power Nullification that she can freeze and break attacks, thus providing her the ability. I extensively explained why this doesn’t work in the Baraggan section of this post, so reference that to understand why I believe this should be removed as well.
(Low Priority)
Rukia’s Non-Physical Interaction and Matter Manipulation:
Non-Physical Interaction is already addressed by Rukia’s Soul Physiology, and Quincy Heilig Pfeil are explicitly physical constructs, formed by Reishi particles, which is spiritual matter. It’s why these arrows can interact with objects in the first place; why they snap when enough physical pressure is applied, and why physical substances like blood can adhere to them.
Matter Manipulation is both redundant as it’s implicitly explained by her Absolute Zero, and incorrect with the context as she isn’t specifically manipulating any physical particle here, she’s just consequently affecting them because it’s an inherent physical property of Absolute Zero.
Baraggan’s Corrosion Inducement, Pain Manipulation, and Limited Power Nullification:
Corrosion Inducement and Pain Manipulation misses the point of both abilities. Corrosion Inducement is categorized when a substance mechanically acts like, and has comparable, corrosive effects to actual caustic substances. Baraggan manipulates Time to force objects to undergo rapid aging, which naturally causes them to erode away. He isn’t manipulating anything mechanically similar to that, so remove it.
Pain Manipulation is also categorized when a thing both mechanically and effect-wise, acts in parallel with one another. Baraggan mechanically isn’t inflicting pain specifically, he’s just aging you, which naturally causes cell degradation, and subsequently, inflicts pain in the process.
Baraggan’s Power Nullification also misses the point of the ability.
Power Nullification is about nullifying and disabling abilities, usually by supernatural means. Baraggan, while capable of technically “nullifying” techniques by aging them, he isn’t actually targeting the ability itself, but rather the construction formed by the technique. To borrow an applicable analogy, when Baraggan fought against Hachigen, he didn’t nullify Hachigen’s innate ability to manipulate Spiritual Energy to create Kido, he nullified the Kido constructs created by that formulation. That’s the substantial difference between a natural consequence of a separate ability, and Power Nullification specifically.
Zommari’s Limited Damage Reduction:
Simply put, this ability was categorized before Arc revised the profiles and updated Zommari’s Durability section to upscale his durability with the technique. We can’t accept both as being true since asserting Zommari lessened the damage of the attack implies he didn’t withstand the full brunt of it, which calls into question the potency of which he did endure. Because of this contradiction, we must address it. We have two options: we either remove the ability and leave the rating, or we remove the rating and leave the ability.
Personally, I would just remove the ability as there is inherently more evidence supporting the other interpretation, since it doesn’t require you to assume Zommari’s Res has this unexplained innate ability to magically lessen the impact of attacks, when the event depicted is him literally curling up into a ball and shielding himself from Gokei. That to me seems like he’s just blocking it physically, not him lessening its potency through a separate, esoteric effect.
Voting:
Agree - @Damage3245, @LephyrTheRevanchist, @LordTracer
Disagree -
Neutral -
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after all he got it accepted before. It got accepted and now removed cuz Deceived convinced yall with his arguments then and now
