Seven Great Demon Lords and Abstract Existence.

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So I have though about it and I have noticed that the Demon Lords do not have Abstract Existence on their files. Why you ask? Well they are literally the embodiments of evil in the Digimon Multiverse.

Their existence itself is one of the main factors in the multiverse.




Their power is dispersed across the entire multiverse.




They will also continue to return as long as evil exists in the world.







I believe this is enough evidence?

Also I have a question. Is it true that Abstracts automatically have Low-Godly Regen?

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Aren't Seven Great Demons already in the Abstract Entities category? If so, adding abstract existence to their profiles should be fine.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Didn't actually know they had it as a category. But of course it isn't on their powers and abilities section which is what I noticed.

Also what about my question at the end?

 

[DontTalk]

The evil is no concept though, is it?


In regards to the low godly question: A requirement to have abstract existence is that you regenerate as long as your concept exists.

So it is wrong to say that you automatically have low-godly regen if you are listed as abstract existence, because, in order to be listed as abstract existence, you have to demonstrate low godly regen.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

Well abstracts can definitely regenerate until their concepts are destroyed. But is that considered Low-High or Low-Godly?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@DT Well based on how Mirei explains it, they treat Evil.Darkness (More specifically the Seven Deadly Sins) as concepts. As she said they are a main component in the multiverse.

 

[DontTalk]

@XBlackExcellenceX: Would be low-godly.

Problem is that it takes the order of reasoning backwards. In order to classify a character as abstract existence (in our sense) one has to already know that they can regenerate like that.

So either one already knows that they can regenerate like that from other sources at the point one gives them abstract existence, or one shouldn't give them abstract existence.

So the implication abstract existence => low-godly regen is correct, but will practically not really be used if everything is done correctly.

 

[DontTalk]

@Dragonmasterxyz: A main component of the multiverse is not necessarily a concept.

The fact that it says that they return as long as dark beats in the hearts of the humans actually points against it being concepts.


Concepts are abstract objects. They exist independent of the physical world and what practically exists in it.

So for example killing all humans so that no "dark beats in the hearts of the humans" anymore, wouldn't eradicate the concept of "dark beating in the heart of the humans", just all its instances.

So even though it doesn't physically exist in the world anymore (there is no dark beating in the heart of any human anymore), the concept, being an abstract object, wouldn't be influenced by that at all.


So while it would be type 8 immortality, it wouldn't be abstract existence IMO.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Wouldn't sin still exist? I mean the very thought of fighting them is a sin that then produces a type of karma automatically. This explains it better.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...chise:_Explaining_the_Seven_Great_Demon_Lords

 

[DontTalk]

The fact that the one destroying them produces another "sin" from which they regenerate makes them very hard to kill, but still no concept.

To again bring the conparison: The concept of sin, would exist even if no sin exists.

So for example say a character eradicates all sin from the multiverse, without generating a new one (maybe through purification or something like that. Just imagine it's possible somehow), than no sin would exist anymore and the demon lords would stay dead.

The concept of sin on the other hand still exists. Even in this multiverse in which no sin exist someone could simply steal something and by that generate a new sin, which shows that the concept still exists.

So a character that regenerates from the concept of sin would exist even if truly all sin in the multiverse would be eradicated.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So instead would this be Low-Godly and Type 8 immortality?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Also these guys also embody the sins they hold. For example Lucemon is the embodiment of Pride ( He existed before even other Digimon were a thing.) Of course this can be questioned on the blog.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I'm okay with Low-Godly Regen for avatars and Type 8 immortality for the true form for the Demon Lords.

How would this affect Ogudomon?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I would believe he'd get the same abilities. (I still think he should be High 2-A like Zeed tho but I digress.)

 

[DontTalk]

It would be Type 8 Immortality.

Actually not 100% sure how we treat regen in regards to type 8.


For AIM Burst I have given him the best regen it demonstrated and Type 8. Similar for Touhous fairys.

Basically what they could regenerate from even if the thing they are reliant on is destroyed before.


That practice seemed to make sense to me, as writing type 8 and low-godly due to the same reason seems like writing 2 times the same thing on the profile.


But I don't think there was ever an official discussion about that topic.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

We may need to discuss that. I will make a thread for that in a moment.