Arkenis
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Serie vs Arthur
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Arthur’s starting moves are just moving in to slash Serie. I mean Arthur is equivalent to a warrior with great fighting abilities. Mages are often weak to warriors. But with all of Serie’s combat experience and her hunger for war you’d think she wouldn’t have this weakness. You’d be right. Serie has too many combat oriented spells and her intuition is so broken that she is considered never wrong on her opponents assessments. She can read minds via a simple glance. She doesn’t even need to glance. Can accurately predict moves via a glance and so on.
I don’t see Arthur winning this. He has no defense against Zoltraak.
I don’t see Arthur winning this. He has no defense against Zoltraak.
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That’s it? One shot AP?
Not happening.
Not happening.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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In the case of matches where someone one shots another via tier difference, stats are equalized
Source: Kenjaku vs Seal
Edit: You are tournament owner lmao, I did not read your name
Arkenis
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No.In the case of matches where someone one shots another via tier difference, stats are equalized
Source: Kenjaku vs Seal
Edit: You are tournament owner lmao, I did not read your name
Low 7-C and 7-C aren't "so different" and they aren't big like 7-C vs 7-A.
Arkenis
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I probably should have put "Make sure your character got some regen" but I figured it'd be alright. Idk
Besides
Besides
Arthur can fight without thinking so she won't be able to predict anything
- Instinctive Action (Users of the Breath of Life can react to attacks instinctively[11] and Non-Self grants Arthur the ability to fight without thought[12])
- Acrobatics (Arthur is quite acrobatic, able to can change his position midair to land properly[8] and jump across falling debris[9])
- Extrasensory Perception and Precognition (Analytical Prediction - Was taught to sense the Breath of Life allowing the him to sense the life of others as well as predict an opponents next move[2])
- Information Analysis (By sensing the Breath of Life Arthur is able to sense the intention of an opponents attacks to differentiate a feints from real attacks and illusions from a real opponent[10])
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By making physical contact… which isn’t happening fra + the plethora of defensive and fire spells
She can also just one shot him too with Zoltraak.
Will get back to your other posts in a sec.
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She doesn’t only read minds. like I said in the message you literally quoted, she can use her intuition to predict everything he will do.
Serie can easily trick those capable of all those abilities you mentioned too. She is capable of outsmarting and evading the senses of those with extremely enhanced senses like Macht and Fern either with a stealth spell or just hiding her presence in general.
Acrobatics is useless here, she’s capable of beating warriors who have far better acrobatics than Arthur.
As the living grimoire she possesses every spell throughout humanity’s history at the very least. So she has spells that put out fires or spells that transmute matter. Etc.
Again how is Arthur defending against a fat Zoltraak.
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Not really.
With knowledge of both characters, it’s honestly unfair for Arthur unless he’s grasped adolla.
Arkenis
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Enhanced Instincts (Her instincts are always correct. While she interviews exam participants, she can accurately judge whether they qualify as first-class mages. Her judgment is not solely based on visual observation; in fact, she can discern their capabilities and characteristics even without direct visual contact. Instantaneously, she can identify if a participant standing before her is merely a clone, pinpoint the location of his real body, and discern his current activities[5]),
This only reads for mages, not swordsman. Has she fought a swordsman at all? Where is that?
Fern only has Enhanced Senses (has magic which grants limited x-ray vision)
Macht only has Enhanced Extrasensory Perception (His mana detection is something not even Frieren could deceive easily)
Frieren only has
- Extrasensory Perception (via Mana detection. Can sense curse magic which is normally imperceptible and invisible. Can sense the killing intent within mana)
- Limited Enhanced Senses (Has magic which grants limited x-ray vision)
- Information Analysis (Can use magic to diagnose illnesses and use her knowledge of said illness to treat it. Can likely use Autopsy Magic to discover one's cause of death. Can decipher the mechanics behind magic instantly just by looking at it)
Again Arthur has this:
- Extrasensory Perception and Precognition (Analytical Prediction - Was taught to sense the Breath of Life allowing the him to sense the life of others as well as predict an opponents next move[2])
- Information Analysis (By sensing the Breath of Life Arthur is able to sense the intention of an opponents attacks to differentiate a feints from real attacks and illusions from a real opponent[10])
- Instinctive Action (Users of the Breath of Life can react to attacks instinctively[11] and Non-Self grants Arthur the ability to fight without thought[12])
Where is it said/shown/implied she can put out plasma? Not magical fire, not magical plasma, plasma.
Besides the fact Serie's range is given "Unknown", Zoltraak isn't even big to think Arthur can't dodge it, its nothing but a simple energy beam that's not wider than their palms or in Frieren's case maybe two meters?
And this decon or matter manip has nothing stating it's able to work on plasma. Arthur has tens of meters with his sword.
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I don’t believe Serie can kill Arthur actually. Low 7-C vs 7-C and Zoltraak’s deconstruction is just fraudulent.
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Elaborate on how Zoltraak is fraudulent?
Zabazab
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It has no deconstruction or durability negation feats. It just negates all magical resistances to attack the flesh body directly.
Though Serie obviously also has access to mind hax, sealing, petrification, and paralysis inducement, so whether that matters is unknown to me.
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lol her intuitions spans all forms of knowledge in the verse including history of the world and all its wars, combats, heroes, warriors etc. Much like Frieren who she trumps in sheer experience and intellect. And best of all she fought a warrior type mage who is one of the strongest in the verse, Macht.
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Sorry to break it to you but fire is a type of plasma…
Fern has alluded to the fact that fire extinguishing spells exists. Frieren has put out flames before and it doesn’t matter if the fire is born from magic or not, it still burns and it’s still plasma.
Serie literally massively upscales from every mage in the verse. Whatever Frieren can do, Serie can do better. And Frieren’s range is hundreds of meters at LEAST.
Zoltrack doesn’t have to work on plasma… Arthur’s body isn’t made of plasma.
Aren’t they designed to literally destroy the human body.
Also yeah she has all those haxes and more. Hence why I said this battle isn’t just some sort of one shot.
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Until we see Zoltraak used on a human in the manga and they disintegrate, it’s pretty safe to say there’s no real reason for it to be deconstruction.
Serie’s wincon here seems to be using Sorganeil to paralyze Arthur then just wailing on him until he dies. Does the AP gap permit this?
Another possibility is mindhax, but we haven’t really seen that used offensively in Frieren all too much? We know with eye contact, you can command them to do something so theoretically Serie could go “kill yourself”, but the reason I don’t consider this viable is because I’m not sure if it’s in character.
Then there’s sealing, which is dubious since the conditions to use it are unknown.
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Fun fact, Fern can snipe someone through the chest out of the range of their mana detection, which we currently have at “Kilometers” iirc.
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We need to update Series page ngl. It’s missing too many abilities considering she’s literally a living grimoire with every spell by humanity at the very least.
Yeah when she sniped that female demon from outside the fortress.
Arkenis
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Plasma that Arthur makes is much hotter than regular fire. That was the whole point. Arthur also resist having his plasma put out.
- Power Nullification (Maki is unable to outright extinguish Arthurs flames or prevent him from using them[4] despite the fact that she could do so to Shinra[4])
This misses the main point, its dodge-able. Also ignores the fact Serie's profile doesn't have that.
And where is this fire extinguishing spell on page?
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I think zabazab was on it but I might be wrong.
I was actually thinking of
Solitar
Anyway, I’d vote Serie based on what’s on the profile (Deconstruction Zoltraak gg) but I have qualms with that so I’ll just sit it out for now and wait for arguments from both sides.
AP for both btw:
Arthur: 10.21835 Kilotons of TNT
Serie: 1.0722 Kilotons of TNT
He’s about ten times stronger, it’s probably feasible for her to kill him with just spam while he’s paralyzed. Thoughts?
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Zabazab
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I'm working on it, but it turns out a character that can use almost every spell in the series is hard to research for.
Arkenis
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He scales to this.
- The higher 7-C's are scaled to be 3.33x as strong as Karim's Calc (34.03 Kilotons)
What is wrong with him just dodging it? Zoltraak isn't a massive aoe attack, especially with range added, he'll definitely evade it with his senses and precog.
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She’s got line-of-sight paralysis with Sorganeil
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Ain't this only a problem for actual mind readers? Like Giovanni? If you aren't literally reading your opponent's thoughts and are just predicting based off their stance or how they walk or whatever other anime bullshit, I don't see why fighting without thinking would change that.
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he also said "accurately predict based on a glance" and that's what i was looking at more, ngl
Zabazab
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Yeah but we do know that Serie claims she knows all of humanity’s magic at least. Unless she’s boasting to hype herself up which I don’t see as the case frankly speaking. Serie’s words are treated like some sort of law. Cus even to Frieren she’s never wrong.
Demon magic spells could get a possibly rating and goddess spells probably not except for the ones frieren knows but let’s wait and see.
Edit: I’ll get to arkenis points in a sec
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yeah the difference in AP is like 9.5 but the haxes should prevail.
What about sleep spell curses and perception hindering spells?
Zabazab
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Humans can't use Curses due to a difference in brain structure from Demons. They can't even perceive them.
The perception spell waa used on a city to make it outright invisible to normal people.
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Skill. Most high class mages know how to hit opponents who can dodge spammed Zoltrack. Frieren out skills these mages in finding very tight openings (as well as hiding her’s). Then there’s Serie… the pinnacle of mages.
AOE of Zoltrack can be adjusted to be large enough that it can’t easily be dodged via dashes, jumps or flight and especially practically impossible at close range which is what Arthur always opts for and its range very high as well.
Arthur can’t dodge a barrage of this forever. He wouldn’t even be able to get close to land hits considering battle mages tend to face warriors by range spamming.
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I mean Serie (elves) not humans.
Yeah but it can also be used on anything and more importantly herself.
Zabazab
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Elves are treated weirdly where they're both part of humanity and also not human. Either way the issue of Demon brain structure remains.
