Sendai Colony vs Kinji Hakari

[ShionAH]

I am not debating 3 separate people at once who all like each others comments while alone lol thats the easiest way to lose a match.

I will come back and reply when other non Hakari haters show up, alr?

 

[Electronic74947]

I am not debating 3 separate people at once who all like each others comments while alone lol thats the easiest way to lose a match.

Bruh

I will come back and reply when other non Hakari haters show up, alr?

I dont even hate hakari. Its just that hes the worst matchup against ryu lmao in a fight. I think he beats sendai yuta but counters exist in jjk. How do you think the deadlock even happened.

Ryu counter druv, druv counter kuro, uro counters ryu

 

[Saqphire]

I will come back and reply when other non Hakari haters show up, alr?

Nobody hating Hakari gng and I never butted in. All I said was that implying Ryu doesn't know his own technique more than Tengen/the narrator just to try to win a point in a debate is being dishonest here, especially when the narrator never said what you said that makes holding the point valid in the first place.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hakari hate is so forced in this site. Lol

Bruh

I dont even hate hakari. Its just that hes the worst matchup against ryu lmao in a fight. I think he beats sendai yuta but counters exist in jjk. How do you think the deadlock even happened.

Ryu counter druv, druv counter kuro, uro counters ryu

Ryu isn’t beating JP Hakari in any way. Ryu’s attacks were survived by Yuta, who should be weaker than JP Hakari. I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that Ryu beats Hakari all of a sudden, when narratively his attacks are being survivable by comparable or even superior characters. The only thing that might give Hakari trouble here is Kuro, which I can see as a possible win condition from the Sendai Colony. But saying Ryu beats Hakari is just wrong—he has nothing that can put him down.

Heck you can argue Uro being a better wincon since Hakari most likely can't hit her unless he outlasts the domain clash and she undergoes CT burnout.

 

[ShionAH]

Heck you can argue Uro being a better wincon since Hakari most likely can't hit her unless he outlasts the domain clash and she undergoes CT burnout.

JP Hakari’s combat speed could bypass her CT, he is super fast. Other than that I think she lowkey just loses to Ryu after the clash lol

 

[Qurbonboev]

JP Hakari’s combat speed could bypass her CT, he is super fast

?!?!?

 

[ShionAH]

?!?!?

Let me rephrase.

Hakari could tag her before she can reliably block/redirect his attacks because he has shown to overwhelm Kashimo who should be faster than Uro

 

[Saqphire]

because he has shown to overwhelm Kashimo who should be faster than Uro

Why? Don't use crossverse shiz btw

 

[ShionAH]

Why?

Yuta ~ Yuji ~ Base Hakari in speed, dont think it’s even possible to disagree with this because they all are clearly not outpacing each other at all.

Yuta ~ Uro ~ Base Hakari in speed.

Kashimo was easily outpacing domain amped Base Hakari. Jackpot Hakari was easily outpacing Kashimo.

 

[Zabazab]

Always "should" and "narratively" isn't it? Hakari has no durability feats, and his only means of attack is hand-to-hand. He cannot shrug off the likes of Kurorushi, who could put Yuta (praised by Ryu for his sturdiness) in a bind, or Uro who can cleanly ignore defenses, or Ryu who has a higher output than characters who blew holes through Hakari. There is also not a single character in this thread who has a speed advantage to the point that they can get around a technique as busted as Sky Manipulation. You'd frankly need to blitz Uro.

To focus on Kurorushi for a moment, Hakari loses this 10/10 times unless Uro and Ryu break character to interrupt.

1. He doesn't have the AoE to disrupt the swarm of cockroaches.
2. He can't defend the civilians from being devoured and fueling parthenogenesis.
3. He can't output RCT to exorcise Kurorushi without having to brawl.
4. He can't rely on his Domain since the swarm can destroy the barrier from the outside.
5. Even if he started the fight with his Jackpot active, all this does is make him an endless food supply until the Jackpot ends.

It's simply a matchup-diff. And this is just one of the four opponents who have a matchup advantage of varying severity against Hakari. He cannot solo Sendai.

 

[MochOath]

why does base Hakari scale to Yuta?

 

[Qurbonboev]

2 things, its a phenomenon created by a specific CE trait and it also has durability negation aspects to it AND it has very good feats compared to GB. You can’t tell me with a straight face that the Lighting that tore through Hakari 3rd Panda and even threatened Sukuna to use his one time transformation is weaker than GB who Yuta PALMED and exhausted post domain Uro with one arm survived after being surprised by it, what the **** are we even talking about??

Ice, that is created by Uraume is a phenomenon created by their specific trait and has durability negation aspects to it. We still scale Ryu above frost calm based on highest output statement. In fact it's entire basis of high tiers scaling.
So yes, Ryu GB > Kashimo lightning

 

[ShionAH]

Ice, that is created by Uraume is a phenomenon created by their specific trait and has durability negation aspects to it. We still scale Ryu above frost calm based on highest output statement. In fact it's entire basis of high tiers scaling.

We scale Ryu above the mass of Ice Uraume created. Not her attacks in general, so nah.

It also contradicts the manga itself because Hakari took a blue infused Gojo punch and took the same damage as Yuta, unless you think GB is WAY stronger than GOJO’S BLUE INFUSED PUNCH?? If so, holy crap. That breaks your scaling.

why does base Hakari scale to Yuta?

In what? Speed both are on CG Yujis level, Durability both take the same damage from the same Gojo’s punch

I wont reply today because I am seriously not having a good day and this is making it so much worse, I might get banned if I do stay lol.

 

[Qurbonboev]

It also contradicts the manga itself because Hakari took a blue infused Gojo punch and took the same damage as Yuta,

Source for him taking same damage as Yuta?

Speed both are on CG Yujis level

Yuta was holding back against Yuji, Yuji was holding back against Hakari

 

[ShionAH]

Source for him taking same damage as Yuta?

Its in Shinjuku when Kusakabe talks about Blue

Yuta was holding back against Yuji, Yuji was holding back against Hakari

Not holding back his speed, he even admits he failed to catch Yuji at the start. Oh shut up, he was trying to dodge until they left the room

 

[Qurbonboev]

Its in Shinjuku when Kusakabe talks about Blue

That dialogue doesn't imply at all that they took same damage(besides there is always possibility that Gojo was using it on Jackpot Hakari, to test it's maximum potential).

Oh shut up, he was trying to dodge until they left the room

Yeah, and only time Hakari did hit Yuji was right after Yuji was caught by doors

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

This hakari scaling should be for a crt attempting to downgrade him, not for a matchup, regardless of where you stand

 

[ShionAH]

That dialogue doesn't imply at all that they took same damage

They literally use the interchangeable dialogue, like are you seriously not seeing it? Plus they did both only vomit from it

Yeah, and only time Hakari did hit Yuji was right after Yuji was caught by doors

He does hit Yuji without the doors but the manga is hard to follow, the second kick was without the doors for example

 

[Qurbonboev]

They literally use the interchangeable dialogue, like are you seriously not seeing it? Plus they did both only vomit from it

Not the best evidence of them having same durability. (You didn't address possibility of Hakari being under Jackpot during that moment. After all Gojo would try to test max durability of his students, isn't?)

the second kick was without the doors for example

Second kick was right after Yuji was hit following getting caught.
Yuta notices (less than) 0.01s time difference between Gojo and Sukuna domain casting, unlike Hakari. So, Yuta > Base Hakari in speed

 

[ShionAH]

You didn't address possibility of Hakari being under Jackpot during that moment.

He wouldn’t vomit if it was JP since it would heal very quickly

Second kick was right after Yuji was hit following getting caught.

He gets smacked and then a kick after Hakari talks, theres a too big of a time window

Yuta notices (less than) 0.01s time difference between Gojo and Sukuna domain casting, unlike Hakari. So, Yuta > Base Hakari in speed

Nope, this is because he has less knowledge/talent on Jujutsu compared to Yuta. Higuruma noticing further reinforces this idea, because he clearly doesn’t have better speed than Hakari. Additionally Hakari got a 9 on Jujutsu while Yuta got 10 further supporting me

 

[Saqphire]

Yuta ~ Yuji ~ Base Hakari in speed, dont think it’s even possible to disagree with this because they all are clearly not outpacing each other at all.

Yuta ~ Uro ~ Base Hakari in speed.

Yeah can you say why Base Kin and Yuta would be relative in speed? Yuji as a measuring pole isn't a good argument because Yuji held back against both

 

[Qurbonboev]

He wouldn’t vomit if it was JP since it would heal very quickly

Why would it matter? If someone cut his arm while he is in Jackpot, he would make another arm again, but his original arm(+enormous amount of blood) would still remain on the floor. Same here. He would outheal damage from punch, but he still would vomit.

He gets smacked and then a kick after Hakari talks, theres a too big of a time window

1. Not a big time window, they are subsonic characters.
2. Hakari CE trait would make Yuji statter first time he would get hit by Hakari punches

Higuruma noticing further reinforces this idea, because he clearly doesn’t have better speed than Hakari.

Both of them are grade 1

 

[Electronic74947]

Hakari hate is so forced in this site. Lol

Ryu isn’t beating JP Hakari in any way. Ryu’s attacks were survived by Yuta, who should be weaker than JP Hakari. I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that Ryu beats Hakari all of a sudden, when narratively his attacks are being survivable by comparable or even superior characters. The only thing that might give Hakari trouble here is Kuro, which I can see as a possible win condition from the Sendai Colony. But saying Ryu beats Hakari is just wrong—he has nothing that can put him down.

Heck you can argue Uro being a better wincon since Hakari most likely can't hit her unless he outlasts the domain clash and she undergoes CT burnout.

You seem to ve ignoring the "highest output in the culling games" where even uruame was destroting parts of hakari's body, when ryu was doing in close combat he was still destroying yuta's body but yuta was just regenerating it. In close combat Ryu can physically just punch him down before blasting his head off since he is stronger than hakari physically as well.


The difference is ryu can redirect his attacks

 

[ShionAH]

He would outheal damage from punch, but he still would vomit.

He had been gutted and didn’t even care during JP, a very strong punch isn’t stunning and giving him PTSD

Not a big time window, they are subsonic characters.

Irrelevant

Hakari CE trait would make Yuji statter first time he would get hit by Hakari punches

Thats just not how it works, his CE trait doesnt stun. I wish it did.

Both of them are grade 1

Hakari isn’t Grade 1

I alr said I can’t reply anymore, I am way too angry to think straight let alone debate

 

[Qurbonboev]

He had been gutted and didn’t even care during JP, a very strong punch isn’t stunning and giving him PTSD

With the exception of very strong punch done by Satoru Gojo, of course.

Irrelevant

It's obviously relevant, bruh

Thats just not how it works, his CE trait doesnt stun. I wish it did.

His CE trait inflicts pain to targets, which usually staggers people.

Hakari isn’t Grade 1

He is

I alr said I can’t reply anymore, I am way too angry to think straight let alone debate

Ok, I won't reply again to this debate too, since I am not interested in it that much.

 

[Jaynic1]

Hakari goes through the same situation Yuta did. Dhruv -> Kuro -> Uro and Ryu.

I was gonna vote incon but forcing hakari to fight kuro makes sendai win this, he really gets countered there. Voting sendai

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Sendai FRA

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You seem to ve ignoring the "highest output in the culling games" where even uruame was destroting parts of hakari's body, when ryu was doing in close combat he was still destroying yuta's body but yuta was just regenerating it. In close combat Ryu can physically just punch him down before blasting his head off since he is stronger than hakari physically as well.

Uraume never once harmed Hakari with normal CE output. Piercing attacks and dura-neg techniques are different things; I don’t know why I need to spell it out for you. Also, the highest CE output statement applied to players other than Hakari. Hakari wasn’t even a player at that time—you can check the Sendai statement; at that time, Hakari hadn’t even entered the colony and wasn’t a player. Kashimo’s lightning discharge is not typical CE output; rather, its CE property is used to create a lightning attack which pierces its target, so you can’t call that the same as GB, which is a pure energy blast. Ryu is not known for any good H2H skills; Yuta even notes that Ryu tried to avoid CQC fights. He has decent H2H at best, while Hakari’s main kit is his kick-punch skills, and he could even tag Yuji, while Yuta’s skills couldn’t. Hakari can also fight Kashimo, who is another skilled CQC fighter, so I’m not really seeing Ryu punching through him with his skills and power. On top of it, canonically Hakari can increase his durability with a BV to survive attacks which can kill him. So there is that. So I hard disagree with your arguments. The only good argument for Sendai colony is Kuro. Uro is arguable at best. Dhruv and Ryu get cooked.

The difference is ryu can redirect his attacks

His attacks are dodgable

 

[CosmoDark38]

Im voting hakari, the only question imo is whether or not he'd be able to break the uro-hakari-ryu stalemate, since has nothing to prevent uro from chilling 80 feet in the air besides trapping her in a domain. But more often then not hakari should clear off comparable/outright superior stats in jp to yuta and better rct.

 

[ShionAH]

since has nothing to prevent uro from chilling 80 feet in the air besides trapping her in a domain.

Even Basekari can jump way higher than 200 meters casually and its weird because against Uraume we see he is just sometimes chilling in air?? Lol, I dont know what or how he was doing that