Delete

[TheShieldToronto76]

.

 

[KieranH10]

I agree with all of this, except for Causality Manipulation. I'm not sure if that's how the feat should be handled and seems to just be a creation feat.
He has Ice Manip already tho...

 

[KieranH10]

The wording was Recreated. It sounds like he just created it again in the state it was in before being destroyed.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Pretty sure that would be a combination of Reality Warping and Omniscience, or maybe just Reality Warping.

Also...

Immeasurable (Can easily rewrite the Multiverse with Infinite Starites absorbed and with the Hope and Determination adjective, he is capable of fighting on pair with the Anti-Monitor during the aftermath of a Multiversal erasure.

This is not enough to qualify for Immeasurable, not even Infinite speed. It'd still be Unknown.

 

[Eficiente]

Darkness Manipulation is wrong, it's transmutation at best, light manip or reality warping.

Existence Erasure is a headcanon, he's just defeated.

Holding up to someone while the latter moves fast isn't much of a speed feat.

The Immeasurable speed is wrong and has no reason to be but you could add "up to Infinite Attack Speed" via him remaking the multiverse. Also separate those high stats into what other things and characters have and him physically.

 

[KieranH10]

Yeah upon closer inspection a lot of this does seem weird.

However I still think Existence Erasure has value, but for a different reason, I'm not sure why Maxwell doesn't have Existence Erasure already though to be honest, literally one of the adjectives he can give to objects is "Nonexistent" or "Absent", both of which completely erase the object.

 

[KieranH10]

He does...

 

[IntangibleForceAC]

Maxwell should be low-1c for summoning mxy

 

[Eficiente]

You can read the crossovers page to know how crossovers do not inherently mean that everything's canon, and here this is clearly not canon to DC. If you disagree with this you can make your own CRT about crossovers unrelated to this verse.

Also, even if this was the real Mxy it wouldn't be Low 1-C as the guy exists/has versions of himself on every universe and even has toys versions of himself in some, so clearly they don't all have as much power as the main him has despite all being him.

 

[Eficiente]

No, the standard take is that everything was smaller and grew from there (hence it seems to be spinning, that's a good trick), what you say would need evidence for it to be the case.

 

[Eficiente]

Bump.

 

[KieranH10]

I'm fine with adding Existence Erasure through him having the "Nonexistent" and "Absent" adjectives, likely amongst others. Not sure on the rest.

 

[Eficiente]

I didn't keep up with this, can someone word the accepted changes as they would be added in an Unordered list?

 

[KieranH10]

Existence Erasure seems to be generally accepted.

Light Manipulation seems to make sense for lack of better options.

I'm not personally sure on Infinite Speed tho.

 

[Eficiente]

I'm not personally sure on Infinite Speed tho.

Well, I put it as "Up to Infinite Attack Speed" due to recreating a multiverse with infinite universes. If he wanted to, say, make all of those universes have 1 of his creations each then it wouldn't take him forever and otherwise that much speed is not a thing he uses commonly, or am I misunderstanding his powers?

 

[KieranH10]

Well, I put it as "Up to Infinite Attack Speed" due to recreating a multiverse with infinite universes. If he wanted to, say, make all of those universes have 1 of his creations each then it wouldn't take him forever and otherwise that much speed is not a thing he uses commonly, or am I misunderstanding his powers?

Seems fair enough then.

 

[Eficiente]

@KieranH10 Can you add the things accepted?

 

[KieranH10]

Can you add the things accepted?

Yup. I'll add them when a get some time.

 

[KieranH10]

Was that agreed on?

 

[Eficiente]

That power's good. We should really apply what was agreed on, do you have time?

 

[KieranH10]

Yup, do we know what has been agreed on so far?

 

[Eficiente]

Darkness Manipulation is wrong, it's transmutation at best, light manip or reality warping.

Light Manipulation seems to make sense for lack of better options.

you could add "up to Infinite Attack Speed" via him remaking the multiverse. Also separate those high stats into what other things and characters have and him physically.

However I still think Existence Erasure has value, but for a different reason, I'm not sure why Maxwell doesn't have Existence Erasure already though to be honest, literally one of the adjectives he can give to objects is "Nonexistent" or "Absent", both of which completely erase the object.

Emphasis on separating those high stats into what other things and characters have and him physically (Like how Timmy Turner has it, to give an example), that's going to make the profile look a lot better.

 

[KieranH10]

I made the edits, does that seem ok?

 

[Eficiente]

Looking back at that profile, it's a mess.

• Why its first key has "Unknown with nukes, with meteors, and with black holes" but his second and trird key don't?
• Why does he even need more than 1 key? Is A Crisis of Imagination non-canon?
• The wording for his 2-A stat needs to be more decent.

Assuming A Crisis of Imagination is canon I propose removing all keys and make it all like this "9-A physically, the magic notebook Varies (Something something the power for each use of the notebook depends on what it is being used for; the things, beings and abilities from it having a power akin to what they are and for the purpose they're being used for), Unknown with nukes, meteors, and with black holes, up to 2-A"

And for speed "Unknown physically, the magic notebook Varies (Its attack speed varies on what's being targeted, the speed of the things & beings it brings up depends on how fast they are, and it can amp Maxwell in different degrees), Peak Human for trained humans (Like Batman), Unknown for superpowered beings (Like Superman, Flash, Mr. Mxyzptlk and the Good Anti-Monitor) and for his best speed amps (The costumes of superpowered beings like Flash appear to give him speed on their same level), up to Infinite attack speed (Recreated a Multiverse with infinite universes)"

 

[KieranH10]

I agree that the profile likely doesn't need more than 1 key.

I believe that for AP, he should be "9-A physically, up to 2-A with the Notebook"
- I don't believe a variable tier is necessary here personally, since the Notebook can create essentially anything he wishes, so giving a variable tier would be essentially "Varies, from 10-C to 2-A" which doesn't seems appropriate.

As for speed, I don't think the Notebook varies in speed, it creates objects at the same speed throughout every game, instantly, which should go well with it's Infinite speed. Noting the Speed of certain summons also seems strange to me, since picking and choosing which summons to note seems strange. Simply "Varies with summons" should be fine imo.

 

[Eficiente]

That's not correct, not saying that the notebook Varies doesn't point out how it works, which we must do, and given how he 99% of the time messes with lesser destruction and only got those 2-A feats on a few occasions, the lesser feats he deals with on most of his games should be portrayed in his profile.

We again must list the speed of his summons as that's a way in which he attacks, he brings those characters to fight others. I don't find strange to list separately the speeds of characters w/ and w/o powers as the scaling is much more basic for them and they can all fight each other.

 

[KieranH10]

Yes but I feel it goes without saying that him summoning a nuke isn't going to be 2-A. "Up to 2-A" shows the limits of his power without indexing essentially pointless stats that would need calcs to be of any worth anyways. Having a variable tier would also mean us using every feat he has, which once again would be from 10-C since he can create the likes of Ants, and Cells, so would give no further relevant information unless we were going to index all of his power levels for every item he has.

As for speed, if we were to list the speeds of his summons, we'd have to list literally all of the speeds his summons can be, from regular humans, to superheroes such as the Flash, which obviously would take up way too much space. That's not including weapons he can create which also have their own different speed values, then abilities that both he and other heroes or characters can have. Just note his own stats and if we want to index the summons stats, make profiles for them since I don't think they're their canon counterparts anyways, since 2-A comes from it's own Infinite universe statement, not scaling from the actual Anti-Monitor.

We cant arbitrarily pick and choose what to document on the profile, since if we index some things but not others, then not all of the information is being presented, and in some ways is even misleading. Whereas simply stating what his power gets up to at peak and noting that it only gets up to this level in the justification does everything it needs to without messing up the page.

 

[Eficiente]

Well, not really, "up to 2-A" shows a limit but doesn't tell me if he can do any thing or being be, say, 3-A, regardless of what that thing or being is. I just know that the limit is 2-A. Those stats aren't pointless as again that's what he uses 99% of the time, and they only need calcs to be used on Vstheads, not to matter on their own. Having a variable doesn't mean us using every feat he has, some characters have it while not even having a limit or a standard of where does it start, here I proposed what was most common for destructive purposes and its best, most of those things likely scale to each other anyway.

Similar with speed, doesn't mean us using the speed of everything he has. It's very clear that they don't scale to their canon counterparts, yes, hence I said their scaling is more simple. Pointless would be to make them profles when they all would have the same speed and tier based on them being top-tiers or Batman level.

We can pick and choose what to document on the profile, not arbitrarily but based on what helps the most and represents the character better. It would end up being more misleading if we present less, as well as vague.