Same genre, different characters (Sebastian Solace vs Figure)

[AppleMaker]

OMG, someone found this post

 

[Mommyleona]

BUMP

 

[Mommyleona]

Also i would like to add more to my previous comment, Sebastian's first move will definitely be shooting the Figure, as it looks nothing like a human (even then, the only reason Sebastian doesn't immediately kill us is because he somewhat needs us/is forced to by mr Lopee to keep the "game" going)
When encountered with an actual monster - he instantly shoots them (wall dweller), no hesitation
Not to mention that the Figure and Wall Dweller look pretty similar (both are naked humanoids with only mouths instead of an actual face), the argument that Sebastian would for some reason go for cqc instead of using his gun vs an obvious monster just doesn't make sense, Seb isnt dumb

 

[Arkansalter2]

Sebby's and Figure's profile is out of date anyways so it wouldn't matter.

 

[Comiphorous]

Also i would like to add more to my previous comment, Sebastian's first move will definitely be shooting the Figure, as it looks nothing like a human (even then, the only reason Sebastian doesn't immediately kill us is because he somewhat needs us/is forced to by mr Lopee to keep the "game" going)
When encountered with an actual monster - he instantly shoots them (wall dweller), no hesitation
Not to mention that the Figure and Wall Dweller look pretty similar (both are naked humanoids with only mouths instead of an actual face), the argument that Sebastian would for some reason go for cqc instead of using his gun vs an obvious monster just doesn't make sense, Seb isnt dumb

Figure and Wall Dweller look nothing alike. Check your eyes and get some glasses.

Anyways, Sebastian goes for cqc in character. He has the shotgun, yes, but it is not a starting move. Urbanshade literally notes he physically murders several guards. When you kill painter, he goes for physically attacking you, just because he has a shotgun doesn't mean he immediately will go for it in any situation.

 

[AppleMaker]

Wall.Dweller looks more like Rosemary from Pillar Chase ngl

 

[Mommyleona]

Figure and Wall Dweller look nothing alike. Check your eyes and get some glasses.

Except they do kinda? I literally described the similar features they share, if you dont see the resemblance, its fine, for me they do, but regardless of that, the figure is very obviously a monster. I dont understand what's the sudden aggression is for either
i didnt say they are the same or anything

Anyways, Sebastian goes for cqc in character

no, he doesnt. "in character" he goes for cqc only when annoyed/angered by an expendable (a human). When encountered with a monster, he uses his gun. Your point is mute and ignores context

Urbanshade literally notes he physically murders several guards.

1. Because they are humans who pose no danger to him. 2. when? if you are talking about his document, then he quite literally did not have a gun at that point (it isnt even specified how exactly he killed them) 3. you again use a human example, instead of a monster encounter 4. in basically vast majority of instances in the game hes cunning when killing and does not go for cqc, he places mines/doorstoppers, asks painter to turn turrets on etc, i dare say going for cqc is out of character for him and is something he only does when ANGERED.

When you kill painter, he goes for physically attacking you

yeah, because he's absolutely FURIOUS, and wants to kill you with his own hands specifically, to enjoy your death as much as possible,

 

[Mommyleona]

Sebby's and Figure's profile is out of date anyways so it wouldn't matter.

you're right

 

[Arkansalter2]

What Sebby leads with is very contradictory. On one hand, he may lead with his gun. On the other, he may lead with CQC as seen in the interaction with flash beacon.

 

[Comiphorous]

no, he doesnt. "in character" he goes for cqc only when annoyed/angered by an expendable (a human). When encountered with a monster, he uses his gun. Your point is mute and ignores context

Ok so;

Sebastian physically attacks armed guards, humans, and similar in almost every context of the game..

And he uses his shotgun once in an interaction most players are unlikely to see in a run at all... against a monster humans are able to actually physically harm and subdue with their bare hands... and in another interaction that you've really gotta piss him off for...

and you got that he starts with his shotgun from that? Sebastian has about 2 interactions in the game that he'd use his shotgun in. in every other context he just physically attacks you or others. He's more than likely going to attack physically just by that fact.

1. Because they are humans who pose no danger to him.

You mean the same humans who are easily equipped to kill things far more dangerous than him? Yeah... "pose no threat" my ass...

 

[Mommyleona]

What Sebby leads with is very contradictory. On one hand, he may lead with his gun. On the other, he may lead with CQC as seen in the interaction with flash beacon.

not really, i comprehensively explained why and when Seb goes for cqc/goes for his gun, in this case he would go for his gun

 

[Mommyleona]

Sebastian physically attacks armed guards, humans, and similar in almost every context of the game..

you just ignored half of my reply, yeah this isnt going anywhere if you do that, i LITERALLY said that for guards he DOES NOT go for cqc, he uses explosives and asks painter to kill them etc, you ignore that, nice.
"similar in almost every context of the game" i ALREADY answered that, he does so only when angry, not normally.

And he uses his shotgun once... in an interaction most players are unlikely to see in a run at all

it doesnt matter how many times, context matters, please read my previous reply again without bias

and you got that he starts with his shotgun from that? Sebastian has about 2 interactions in the game that he'd use his shotgun in. in every other context he just physically attacks you or others. He's more than likely going to attack physically just by that fact.

already explained why i think that, if you are not noticing, you are also describing a singular interaction, expendable angering sebastian, thats it, how many doesnt matter as i said. its still the same 2 entities.

You mean the same humans who are easily equipped to kill things far more dangerous than him? Yeah... "pose no threat" my ass...

im impressed by your ability to nitpick a singular point out of 4 total, maybe read a little further?

 

[Comiphorous]

you just ignored half of my reply, yeah this isnt going anywhere if you do that, i LITERALLY said that for guards he DOES NOT go for cqc, he uses explosives and asks painter to kill them etc, you ignore that, nice.

Yeah lets hop off the high horse, we're talking about a horror lego game no need to lose your marbles over this. I think you'll live. Is there any proof he was the one who put out the explosives? because as far as i'm aware he wasn't the one who did that, Urbanshade didn't say anything that implies he did anyways, nor do any of the documents say he did. It's baseless to assume he just threw those out there.

Also, him having painter kill people is a bit of a completely different situation. usually Painter is either killing them without Sebastian's input and letting Seb know after to get the loot, or Sebastian is asking Painter to kill them when he's in a completely different part of the facility. Both of those don't apply in this situation.

it doesnt matter how many times, context matters, please read my previous reply again without bias

It does??? If he's been shown to be on average use his gun less than he does go into CQC, than he's more than likely going to go with CQC.

I could be wrong, but new voicelines do imply he even physically attacks people when they have guns (I believe he's shot in this encounter and then kills them), so put that in the log for another time he physically attacks someone over using his shotgun.

already explained why i think that, if you are not noticing, you are also describing a singular interaction, expendable angering sebastian, thats it, how many doesnt matter as i said. its still the same 2 entities.

Yeah so if it takes using a flashing device that brings him a lot of pain several times before he decides to use his gun, maybe he doesn't start with it. Theres only a few ways you can trigger him using his shotgun;

Annoying the shit out of him to shoot you (And even then, he goes with physically beating your ass before shooting you)

Killing Painter (If someone is in his shop while you do it)

A wall dweller walking into his shop

Being an incorporeal spirit that can't be physically harmed

It doesn't exactly scream "I use it at any moment i can", now does it?

 

[AthelChan]

so with the pressure update, who wins this now?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

so with the pressure update, who wins this now?

what happened in le update?

 

[AthelChan]

what happened in le update?

alot of new and rewritten stuff

 

[Comiphorous]

alot of new and rewritten stuff

basically nothing happened to sebastian, he stays the same as he's going to be reworked from the worth the wait update.

 

[Mommyleona]

Yeah lets hop off the high horse, we're talking about a horror lego game no need to lose your marbles over this. I think you'll live.

Where did i "lose my marbles", all i did was highlight what i said previously, you're just dodging my points and derailing the discussion

Is there any proof he was the one who put out the explosives? because as far as i'm aware he wasn't the one who did that, Urbanshade didn't say anything that implies he did anyways, nor do any of the documents say he did. It's baseless to assume he just threw those out there.

he says so himself about the landmines, and its also stated on the wiki about landmines and doorstoppers

Sebastian is asking Painter to kill them when he's in a completely different part of the facility

yet again not true

It does??? If he's been shown to be on average use his gun less than he does go into CQC, than he's more than likely going to go with CQC

how many times do i have to repeat myself? he goes into cqc when angered by an expendable, because he either 1. doesnt want to kill us yet and gives us a warning or 2. he wants to enjoy killing us to the fullest. THATS IT.
imagine, thats like saying because a cop (on average) uses non lethal weapons more often, then he wouldnt use a lethal weapon against an armed threat. thats not how it works, at all, we have a clear cut example too, with a wall dweller, you cant just ignore it.

Yeah so if it takes using a flashing device that brings him a lot of pain several times before he decides to use his gun, maybe he doesn't start with it.

OMG, or y'know MAYBE just MAYBE, he doesnt want to kill us immediately??? hes not in a fight with us, he's not assassinating us, nothing of that sort, OBVIOUSLY he doesnt start with it in a non combat situation. However when a mindless flesh eating monster approaches him? he instantly goes for a gun. i do not comprehend how can i make this clearer so you would understand already.

I believe he's shot in this encounter and then kills them

No? idk what you're talking about, only that you might be referring to Sebastian shooting a wall dweller (which only supports my argument again btw, he starts with a gun against monsters, ie those who will attack him)

It doesn't exactly scream "I use it at any moment i can", now does it?

uhh, what? it literally doesnt have to, all that needs to be proven that he will use it against the figure, WHICH HE WILL, if you have any semblance of logic and dont consider Seb to be as dumb as a rock