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Removal Of One Of Spider-Man's Tier

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I was going through Peter Parker's profile and i discovered that he still has 4-B in his tier. His 4-B tier should be completely removed without replacing it with 3-C.
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Spider-Man (Marvel Comics)

Peter Benjamin Parker, more well-known as Spider-Man, was once just a nerdy teenager in High School. But after he was bitten by a radioactive spider at a science exhibition, he gained the proportionate strength, speed, and agility of a spider alongside a special precognitive ability known as the...
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Antvasima said:
Well, Captain Universe Spider-Man lasted for long enough to warrant a statistics key, but we obviously need to be able to scale him properly.

He did easily defeat Graviton, the Grey Hulk, and Goliath, and I think that he overpowered Quasar and Terminus as well, though.
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Most of those would be Tier 5 feats, Quasar and Terminus had their profiles nuked from what I heard and I think the 4-B justification scan/feat was lost in the process.
 
That's actually a 4-A feat, and it was done by Galactus who is 2-C at his weakest. Which I'm pretty sure using low end feats of characters much higher than the specific to downscale characters much weaker is commonly referred to as hiding an outlier. Downscaling from Galactus would just make the cast 2-C unless we can prove that Galactus was holding back exponentially as opposed to him simply causing less destruction via writer portrayal.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
That's actually a 4-A feat
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I think the low-end 4-B calc of Nova tanking the boom was accepted
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Which I'm pretty sure using low end feats of characters much higher than the specific to downscale characters much weaker is commonly referred to as hiding an outlier. Downscaling from Galactus would just make the cast 2-C unless we can prove that Galactus was holding back exponentially as opposed to him simply causing less destruction via writer portrayal.
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Okay then. I guess the feat should be removed?
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
That's actually a 4-A feat, and it was done by Galactus who is 2-C at his weakest. Which I'm pretty sure using low end feats of characters much higher than the specific to downscale characters much weaker is commonly referred to as hiding an outlier. Downscaling from Galactus would just make the cast 2-C unless we can prove that Galactus was holding back exponentially as opposed to him simply causing less destruction via writer portrayal.
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I think that Galactus has been far below 2-C at his weakest starving state, and he explicitly only used sufficient power to destroy 3 star systems on this occasion.
 
Antvasima said:
I think that Galactus has been far below 2-C at his weakest starving state, and he explicitly only used sufficient power to destroy 3 star systems on this occasion.
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Well maybe, but his absolute weakest key is currently rated as 2-C but it perhaps could be changed on his profile then.
 
Well, regardless, he explicitly only used a 4-A scale of power on this occasion.

Anyway, what do our staff and knowledgeable members think that we should do here?
 
Is there any reason why we don't have a key for Spider-Man with Beyonder's power?
 
Are you talking about "Spider-Man and the Secret Wars"? That was a part of a series of stories, such as "Avengers and The Infinity Gauntlet", and "Captain America and the Korvac Saga", that did not fit in with regular continuity at all.
 
Antvasima said:
Are you talking about "Spider-Man and the Secret Wars"? That was a part of a series of stories, such as "Avengers and The Infinity Gauntlet", and "Captain America and the Korvac Saga", that did not fit in with regular continuity at all.
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Can there be a separate profile for that, then?
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Did it last for ten issues? The stuff for Acts of Vengeance happened towards the end and he gave them up rather quickly.
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I think that he had quite a lot of appearances as Captain Universe, given his sheer number of weekly comic-books and crossovers at the time.
 
JTGamer96 said:
Can there be a separate profile for that, then?
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Well, they would have to scale from their own feats in that case, and there also do not seem to be a sufficient number of appearances for those versions of the characters to warrant profile pages of their own.

See here, please:

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Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics

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Canon

Canon is a term used to designate works that are generally accepted as the genuine work that apply to the fictional verse. With few possible exceptions only canon material is featured in the character pages, with non-canon material to be ignored. The generally agreed-upon definition is that the...
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Antvasima said:
I think that he had quite a lot of appearances as Captain Universe, given his sheer number of weekly comic-books and crossovers at the time.
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I went through them all:
  • Web of Spider-Man : #59, #60, #61
  • The Amazing Spider-Man : #327, #328, #329
  • Peter Parker The Spectacular Spider-Man : #158, #159, #160
  • Quasar : #6
He only has ten total appearances and the story arc lasted for under one total year. He only gets more than ten if you include What If #31 as an appearance.
 
Okay. Then the statistics key can probably be removed.

I really liked the Spider-Man as Captain Universe stories though.
 
I mean if 11 is enough to keep it we can keep it. Though any hard scaling would only be accomplished with What If #31 included I think, since he gets Thor and Nebula scaling in that.
 
Goliath, who was stronger than Wonder Man and managed to severely injure a drunk Hercules.
 
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