Rematch: 11th Fatui Harbinger vs Champion Duelist (0-5-1)

[MSahla]

Clorinde vs Tartaglia

Both's 7-C AP and Supersonic+ speed is used (basically AP and Speed is equalized), ban Tartaglia's Foul Legacy form, and only his Delusion is allowed. Clorinde is serious mode and both at their peak.

Fight takes place at the Stadium of the Sacred Flame and starting distance is 10 meters away.
(Mavuika will be the witness
and sitting at her throne in there)

—— Who would win? ——

Clorinde: 5
@Giannysmag, @ZENZUYA, @Puppet43, @OmniScalator, @Naito-desu

Tartaglia:


Inconclusive: 1
@PedjaTarzan

Battle Theme:
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[Giannysmag]

Clorinde takes it

 

[ZENZUYA]

Clorinde win Narratively

Tartaglia stated himself that Clorinde was never serious when fighting him, So maybe Tartaglia has tried a few times to get her to be serious, maybe he also uses his foul legacy for that

And the arena surely is Benefit for Clorinde

So yeah i take Clorinde with this one

 

[MSahla]

Bump

 

[Puppet43]

Hasnt Clorinde already won this?
Clorinde for Zenzuya reasoning

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Clorinde win Narratively

Tartaglia stated himself that Clorinde was never serious when fighting him, So maybe Tartaglia has tried a few times to get her to be serious, maybe he also uses his foul legacy for that

And the arena surely is Benefit for Clorinde

So yeah i take Clorinde with this one

Narratively?
She got nothing on narratively outside short fight between them with only thing we know is both were not going all out
Tartaglia massively outlqst when he fought whale for several days up to 42 days if we count patch days as canon
He has arsenal of different abilities both countin his playable and boss self, and he quite literally is untouchable in delusion form bcs shes electro focused and he is well blocking and parrying electro attacks directly, only skill is somewhat there
and btw he can fly bcs he was able to reach exuvia and actually has shown the el intagibility stuff on screen
can also lock on clorinde with that one shot move and even launch gigantic whale
my ginger goat prevails here

 

[Puppet43]

Narratively?
She got nothing on narratively outside short fight between them with only thing we know is both were not going all out

There is no statment about Tarta not going all out

 

[PedjaTarzan]

There is no statment about Tarta not going all out

neither did anything say he did, so at best they are equal or it is unknown

 

[MSahla]

neither did anything say he did, so at best they are equal or it is unknown

So i assume you vote for incon

 

[Puppet43]

neither did anything say he did, so at best they are equal or it is unknown

when the battle maniac goes even FL against 3 Navia lvl robots

 

[PedjaTarzan]

So i assume you vote for incon

read the message above i have mentioned

when the battle maniac goes even FL against 3 Navia lvl robots

Because he was being mad at the unjust sentence to prison and wanted go challenge fontaine laws? and what makes u think he merely went FL for that when he was so easily handling them before that

 

[Puppet43]

Because he was being mad at the unjust sentence to prison and wanted go challenge fontaine laws? and what makes u think he merely went FL for that when he was so easily handling them before that

"HAND ME FOUL LEGACY AGAINST BUILDING TIER ENEMIES OR I RETIRE"

 

[MSahla]

read the message above i have mentioned

I read it, thats why i said "So i assume"

 

[OmniScalator]

at same AP and speed it ain't no question bro, obviously clorinde takes this, she have won in canon, and anyways she have better skill

 

[PedjaTarzan]

literally what confirms she won him in the first place what is this headcannon?? hell no one even responded to the shit i said he has in comparasion to her

 

[PedjaTarzan]

"HAND ME FOUL LEGACY AGAINST BUILDING TIER ENEMIES OR I RETIRE"

right narwhal is also building lvl but you glaze traveler when he beats him while his ass is shielded by neuvi

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I read it, thats why i said "So i assume"

… i literally meant this

Narratively?
She got nothing on narratively outside short fight between them with only thing we know is both were not going all out
Tartaglia massively outlqst when he fought whale for several days up to 42 days if we count patch days as canon
He has arsenal of different abilities both countin his playable and boss self, and he quite literally is untouchable in delusion form bcs shes electro focused and he is well blocking and parrying electro attacks directly, only skill is somewhat there
and btw he can fly bcs he was able to reach exuvia and actually has shown the el intagibility stuff on screen
can also lock on clorinde with that one shot move and even launch gigantic whale
my ginger goat prevails here

 

[Puppet43]

right narwhal is also building lvl but you glaze traveler when he beats him while his ass is shielded by neuvi

• Do we know if bro was fighting all 40 days 24 hours? no
• Do we know when exactly he activated FL? no
• Do we know if he even made a scratch to Narwhal? No, in fact in the cutscene he barely cuts its skin lol

At least with Traveler u know he went to the BFR to fight the core of the whale + Hydro Traveler would outperform Childe's FL against the Narwhal if he fought it alone, since yk, narratively speaking Hydro Traveler is above a character that could oneshot Fontaine Tarta arc

literally what confirms she won him in the first place what is this headcannon??

Even if Tarta won the fight, she was holding back, so at worst they are equals and at best Clorinde mid - high diffs him

 

[PedjaTarzan]

• Do we know if bro was fighting all 40 days 24 hours? no

literally we have seen several times how days have passed into preparing to deceive furina, we also waited days when we had those incidents of primordial sea, neuvi literally backed it up by saying he was fighting him for a long time

• Do we know when exactly he activated FL? no

does it matter? no since he would be able to fight even longer when he doesnt have a form that drains his stamina lmao

• Do we know if he even made a scratch to Narwhal? No, in fact in the cutscene he barely cuts its skin lol

we do stop pretending he didnt please like your logic of scaling and arguing is sometimes sas

At least with Traveler u know he went to the BFR to fight the core of the whale + Hydro Traveler would outperform Childe's FL against the Narwhal if he fought it alone, since yk, narratively speaking Hydro Traveler is above a character that could oneshot Fontaine Tarta arc

Literally no proof of him being able to one shot fontaine arc tortillla narratively holy headcanon you guys do not deserve to debate v matchups no wonder genshin peeps get bullied so much in vs threads

Even if Tarta won the fight, she was holding back, so at worst they are equals and at best Clorinde mid - high diffs him

you dont even understand how the matchup works then, because she has no way of going trough his electric shield that also parries the moment u use electro based attacks, cannot reach him when he flies up, has to dodge a literal narwhal sized attack has to somehow dodge a literal lock based attack when he hits you if you have riptide which is btw also canon since its shown on mekas

 

[PedjaTarzan]

also when it comes to skill

Gifted (She's quite smart. She has the skills to solve immediate problems. High diplomacy and investigative acumen. and can know the enemy's secret transmissions immediately), Geniuscombatant (She is Fontaine's strongest Champion Duelist, and is considered a very strong Shadowhunter. At the beginning of Fontaine's Chapter, she fights Childe, and he makes it clear that he is interested in her strength. and want to fight with her with all his might)

nothing gives genius remotely, nor does it showcase any impressive BIQ feat other than battling tartaglia, talk abt chain scaling INTELLIGENCE BRO
Now read actuall BIQ justification:

Gifted normally, Genius combatant (At age 14, Childe is said to have mastered all forms of weaponry except the bow in just 3 months of training in the Abyss. He was conscripted into the Fatui within the same year, his father hoping that military life would tame him, only for the young Ajax to begin single-handedly overwhelming fully-trained and armored soldiers with ease. His prowess on the battlefield is partly attributed to his skill as a tactician and strategist, carefully forming his attack plan based on observations of his immediate situation and his opponent's abilities. In the battle against the Traveler, he displayed clear superiority in skill despite the Traveler's years of experience over an unquantifiable amount of time as an immortal traveling between worlds)

Like it literally shows how far he outskils, plus trained by Skirk who has the highest BIQ bar Ei and Surtalogi, its so one sided towards tartaglia lol

 

[Puppet43]

literally we have seen several times how days have passed into preparing to deceive furina, we also waited days when we had those incidents of primordial sea, neuvi literally backed it up by saying he was fighting him for a long time

Ur describing low key the narwhal doing not if Tartaglia was fighting it all days 24/7 lmao

does it matter? no since he would be able to fight even longer when he doesnt have a form that drains his stamina lmao

i mean if barely did anything than scratch with FL all previous attacks with non FL would be useless lol

we do stop pretending he didnt

Sure show me when he does more than skin scratches (without Neuvi helping with a water current)

Literally no proof of him being able to one shot fontaine arc tortillla narratively holy headcanon

Neuvi (Non Authority) is narratively weaker or at best equal to Hydro Traveler
Neuvi (Non Authority) vs Tartaglia went like this
Conclusion: Hydro Traveler should be able to oneshot Fontaine Tartaglia lol

you dont even understand how the matchup works then, because she has no way of going trough his electric shield

Shield that all vision users should have via Universal Energy System lol, so same would go to Clorinde because she has a visio and even still, the shield is breakable, not immune

that also parries the moment u use electro based attacks,

Oh no guys a parry, it wouldnt be as if Clorinde could counter a parry

cannot reach him when he flies up

The good reliable gun in her pocket (btw he doesn't really flies, he just levitates above the floor)

has to somehow dodge a literal lock based attack when he hits you if you have riptide

U kinda think that Clorinde would let her be hitted when she can fight people with her eyes closed....

has to dodge a literal narwhal sized attack

Ah yeah the sooooooooooo sloooooooow narwhal that even i bet Elementless Traveler could react

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Shield that all vision users should have via Universal Energy System lol, so same would go to Clorinde because she has a visio and even still, the shield is breakable, not immune

Im talking about tartaglias shield specifically not the shield all allogenes have, like if u played his weekly boss you know he sents you flying if u attack him when ur close, THAT shield counters all clorindes elemental attacks

Oh no guys a parry, it wouldnt be as if Clorinde could counter a parry

if she can lol

The good reliable gun in her pocket (btw he doesn't really flies, he just levitates above

U kinda think that Clorinde would let her be hitted when she can fight people with her eyes closed....

that..doesnt help if the enemies she fought with eyes closed are freaking fodders

Ah yeah the sooooooooooo sloooooooow narwhal that even i bet Elementless Traveler could react

my 1.1 self would disagree , tbh i rly have no idea how attacks like these work when speed is equal but given they fight in the sacred flame arena i think it would he helpful bcs arena is smaller than the golden house one 3rd phase or i could be wrong lol

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ur describing low key the narwhal doing not if Tartaglia was fighting it all days 24/7 lmao

i like how genshin players specifically see issue in stuff put on profiles as soon as they get used in vs matches, before that no one bats an eye
its exactly how skirk is still unknown class LS and no one does anything about it, anyway even if he didnt spend 24-7 fighting him which makes 0 sense if he used FL for the majority of fight since it would literally drain him dead if he spammed it, but lets assume so..he fought narwhal without food and water (we literally dont know if he had anything with himself given he ran away from PRISON) and thats still way better stamina feat than what clorinde has

 

[Naito-desu]

I'm voting for Chloride for mostly reliable history of beating Childe before

 

[Puppet43]

THAT shield counters all clorindes elemental attacks

Proof of this statment?

like if u played his weekly boss you know he sents you flying if u attack him when ur close

Phase 2 barely can tank my Traveler's E attack (lvl 90), the fight is over in 6 seconds

if she can lol

I mean she can fight with her eyes close, what is stopping her to react to a parry?

doesnt help if the enemies she fought with eyes closed are freaking fodders

Have u ever fought with ur eyes closed? even if is against a kid or someone smaller than u
Like im not talking about how strong she is for doing that but the fact her senses are much developed so would be easier for her to avoid incoming attacks

my 1.1 self would disagree

Ur reaction kinda slow ngl, that was the easiest part of the fight

the golden house one 3rd phase

Phase 3 is FL, OP said there is no FL and i think the golden house battlefield is smaller by a lot

if he didnt spend 24-7 fighting him which makes 0 sense

I mean we are talking about the chances of a dude finding a whale in litteral square kms of area (Primordial Sea) changes were small they even encounter in the first day that he went missing

he fought narwhal without food and water (we literally dont know if he had anything with himself given he ran away from PRISON)

This is kinda a plot hole ngl, unless PSW could somewhat give him the nutrients to not died of hunger there no explanation

thats still way better stamina feat than what clorinde has

Just for bro to get outclass in the rest of departments lol

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Proof of this statment?

Literally the boss fight…
1:10, and if u try to use electro attacks he knocks you back

I mean she can fight with her eyes close, what is stopping her to react to a parry?

Have u ever fought with ur eyes closed? even if is against a kid or someone smaller than u
Like im not talking about how strong she is for doing that but the fact her senses are much developed so would be easier for her to avoid incoming attacks

I mean she doesnt even fight with eyes closed when serious so idk whatthd point of this shes just skilled thats all

Ur reaction kinda slow ngl, that was the easiest part of the fight

back in my day…when dinosaurus walked the earth…childe boss was so op hoyo had to nerf him

Phase 3 is FL, OP said there is no FL and i think the golden house battlefield is smaller by a lot

I mean we are talking about the chances of a dude finding a whale in litteral square kms of area (Primordial Sea) changes were small they even encounter in the first day that he went missing

This is kinda a plot hole ngl, unless PSW could somewhat give him the nutrients to not died of hunger there no explanation

??? its not a plot hole, we saw him fight narwhal there whilr his armor was blocked and neuvi said he was fighting him for a very long time. and we know he met narwhal at thr end of act 3 or 4 when we sleep

Just for bro to get outclass in the rest of departments lol

no lmao you dont even read profiles XD even the IQ justifications i sent has Childe>Clorinde holy cope bro

I'm voting for Chloride for mostly reliable history of beating Childe before

at least someone post the scan that outright says she has won against him maybe then ill change my mind

 

[Puppet43]

1:10, and if u try to use electro attacks he knocks you back

Beidou ain't using her skill, that just base attack + in canon he would had just parry Geo/Anemo

shes just skilled thats all

Yeah and her skills/senses gave her an advantage to an upcoming attack lol

back in my day…when dinosaurus walked the earth…childe boss was so op hoyo had to nerf him

I fought him pre nerf with Traveler anemo as main DPS, ur weak

its not a plot hole

The plot hole i mean is how he survive without food, genshin player trying to read; impossible

neuvi said he was fighting him for a very long time

But did neuvi see him or did he yap for the yapping?

he met narwhal at thr end of act 3 or 4 when we sleep

Thats a memory we dont know exactly when it happens

no lmao you dont even read profiles XD even the IQ justifications i sent has Childe>Clorinde holy cope bro

Litterally goes like this:

• Both: Ap/Dura/Speed
• Tartaglia: Stamina and weakness
• Clorinde: Lifting strength (Yeah Childe has possible Class K, but i dont believe it cause there no scan nor calc to proof the fish weight that much), Range

IQ in Clorinde profile is bad low key

the scan that outright says she has won against him maybe then ill change my mind

U directly asking for something that is never said in the entire game, is just stated they fought and she held back
So he scales to holding back Clorinde lol

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Beidou ain't using her skill, that just base attack + in canon he would had just parry Geo/Anemo

U just admitted he would parry any element generaly with this logic

Yeah and her skills/senses gave her an advantage to an upcoming attack lol

I fought him pre nerf with Traveler anemo as main DPS, ur weak

The plot hole i mean is how he survive without food, genshin player trying to read; impossible

how the **** would he eat if hes constantly in FL form or else he would be drained

But did neuvi see him or did he yap for the yapping?

Thats a memory we dont know exactly when it happens

Litterally goes like this:

• Both: Ap/Dura/Speed
• Tartaglia: Stamina and weakness
• Clorinde: Lifting strength (Yeah Childe has possible Class K, but i dont believe it cause there no scan nor calc to proof the fish weight that much), Range

IQ in Clorinde profile is bad low key

U directly asking for something that is never said in the entire game, is just stated they fought and she held back
So he scales to holding back Clorinde lol

Holy leap in logic where we dont even know if childe is serious, i mean looking at the fight in 1.1 he was toying with us too and the only time he went serious is by using FL, so he was also not going all out, and nothing even said he was serious too…holy

 

[MSahla]

Bump

 

[Puppet43]

U just admitted he would parry any element generaly with this logic

Gameplay ahhhh

he eat if hes constantly in FL form or else he would be drained

FL absorbes life force not nutrients

Holy leap in logic where we dont even know if childe is serious

U mean the dude that went into FL against Navia victims?

i mean looking at the fight in 1.1 he was toying with us too and the only time he went serious is by using FL

Childe has a lot of statments of him actually going all out against us

(Upon the start of the second phase)
Childe: Good! No wonder Signora was so wary of you.
Childe: Well, that just means I can go all out! Brace yourself, this is about to get tough...
Childe: Now, show me what you can do against the might of a Harbinger!