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Since it is a heated debate (which some of you didn't knew this). I will prove here how True Gods and Secondary Beings on the Apotheosis franchise had the R>F transcendence.
(Yeah, I know. It is also a QnA kind of thread, which I followed the rules with no violations.)
Proofs
1. Creator (The Saint/True Gods vs. Created Entities (Secondary Beings)
- Creator's Perspective: The creator exists in a separate, higher dimension of reality and perceives the universe they created as a separate, a dream-like or unreal spaces, and stating that their world, the God's Domain, is the real world.
This is perfectly aligned on the statement: "Potential mediums for viewing a cosmology as fiction include: written media (Books or stories), images (Paintings, comics, or movies), data (Simulations or video games), or mental constructs (thoughts or dreams). All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority." (1)
This space are all mental constructs (power of visualization), and the said entities are also created from it.
- Created Entities: The entities within the created universe are made from the creator’s visualization for their existence. They are made from a different kind of energy or substance and perceive their own universe as real.
2. Existential Boundaries:
- Layered Realities: Even if multiple layers or sets of realities are stacked within the created universe, these layers remain bounded by the rules and limits defined by their own space.
Now here's the tricky part. On this statement: "However, bear in mind that simple visual portrayals of a character viewing the world within some such construct are not enough to qualify. And so, for example, a cosmic entity being depicted as seeing the universe as a computer game "because this is the only way human minds can comprehend it" would not suffice, and likewise, neither would cases where a Reality/Fiction metaphor is simply used as an analogy for higher dimensions. Broadly speaking, it ought to be reasonably clear that the higher world views the lower one as something insubstantial relative to itself, or in other words, that the Reality/Fiction relationship be meant as relatively literal." (1)
We knew that they're not basically a mere analogy, because it is true that their reality is made from mental constructs, and the disparity of their existence is evident. They aren't relative to itself, and their R>F relationship is very obvious.
- Transcendence Limits: The entities within these layers cannot transcend to the creator’s level. Their existence is tied to the creator’s visualization, and they cease to exist if they move beyond their universe.
On this statement, "To put it simply: It is superiority over lesser things that involves no element of quantity, or amount, in any manner whatsoever. It, instead, hinges entirely on the nature of the character's existence and ontology. In general, all characters with such superiority over lesser things are 1-A." (2), it is stated that there's no involvement of quantitative measurements (which includes dimensional levels) on the difference between mentioned entities, instead hinges entirely on their existence and ontology. You read that right. Sound's familiar, isn't it? It means that their disparity is dependent on their "existence" and "ontology", and it is evident in the scans that both of these qualities are also heavily dependent on the energy that they've made/originated from.
3. Impact of Visualization:
- Dependence on True Yuan/Genuine Energy to their Existence/Ontology: The entities’ reality is intrinsically linked to the creator’s power of visualization. Outside this visualization, they become nonexistent.
- Reality-Fiction Boundaries: The entities’ inability to exist outside their universe highlights the divide between the creator’s reality and the created realities, emphasizing the limits imposed by different layers of existence.
These rules are created and recorded by the Divine Dao that resides in each Saint's universe. They are real, living beings that can think and realize their existence, yet they are basically mental constructs in the eyes of the Saints and True Gods, including their reality as well.
Conclusion:
These proofs aligns with the concept of reality-fiction transcendence by illustrating how different levels of reality can have varying degrees of influence and accessibility. The distinction between the creator's and entities' realities reflects a complex interplay where different dimensions or layers challenge traditional notions of reality and fiction.
What are your thoughts? You can reply on this thread below.
Link/s used on this thread:
(1) - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Reality-Fiction_Transcendence
(2) - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ#Q:_What_is_"qualitative_superiority"?
(Yeah, I know. It is also a QnA kind of thread, which I followed the rules with no violations.)
Proofs
1. Creator (The Saint/True Gods vs. Created Entities (Secondary Beings)
- Creator's Perspective: The creator exists in a separate, higher dimension of reality and perceives the universe they created as a separate, a dream-like or unreal spaces, and stating that their world, the God's Domain, is the real world.
This is perfectly aligned on the statement: "Potential mediums for viewing a cosmology as fiction include: written media (Books or stories), images (Paintings, comics, or movies), data (Simulations or video games), or mental constructs (thoughts or dreams). All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority." (1)
This space are all mental constructs (power of visualization), and the said entities are also created from it.
- Created Entities: The entities within the created universe are made from the creator’s visualization for their existence. They are made from a different kind of energy or substance and perceive their own universe as real.
2. Existential Boundaries:
- Layered Realities: Even if multiple layers or sets of realities are stacked within the created universe, these layers remain bounded by the rules and limits defined by their own space.
Now here's the tricky part. On this statement: "However, bear in mind that simple visual portrayals of a character viewing the world within some such construct are not enough to qualify. And so, for example, a cosmic entity being depicted as seeing the universe as a computer game "because this is the only way human minds can comprehend it" would not suffice, and likewise, neither would cases where a Reality/Fiction metaphor is simply used as an analogy for higher dimensions. Broadly speaking, it ought to be reasonably clear that the higher world views the lower one as something insubstantial relative to itself, or in other words, that the Reality/Fiction relationship be meant as relatively literal." (1)
We knew that they're not basically a mere analogy, because it is true that their reality is made from mental constructs, and the disparity of their existence is evident. They aren't relative to itself, and their R>F relationship is very obvious.
- Transcendence Limits: The entities within these layers cannot transcend to the creator’s level. Their existence is tied to the creator’s visualization, and they cease to exist if they move beyond their universe.
On this statement, "To put it simply: It is superiority over lesser things that involves no element of quantity, or amount, in any manner whatsoever. It, instead, hinges entirely on the nature of the character's existence and ontology. In general, all characters with such superiority over lesser things are 1-A." (2), it is stated that there's no involvement of quantitative measurements (which includes dimensional levels) on the difference between mentioned entities, instead hinges entirely on their existence and ontology. You read that right. Sound's familiar, isn't it? It means that their disparity is dependent on their "existence" and "ontology", and it is evident in the scans that both of these qualities are also heavily dependent on the energy that they've made/originated from.
3. Impact of Visualization:
- Dependence on True Yuan/Genuine Energy to their Existence/Ontology: The entities’ reality is intrinsically linked to the creator’s power of visualization. Outside this visualization, they become nonexistent.
- Reality-Fiction Boundaries: The entities’ inability to exist outside their universe highlights the divide between the creator’s reality and the created realities, emphasizing the limits imposed by different layers of existence.
These rules are created and recorded by the Divine Dao that resides in each Saint's universe. They are real, living beings that can think and realize their existence, yet they are basically mental constructs in the eyes of the Saints and True Gods, including their reality as well.
Conclusion:
These proofs aligns with the concept of reality-fiction transcendence by illustrating how different levels of reality can have varying degrees of influence and accessibility. The distinction between the creator's and entities' realities reflects a complex interplay where different dimensions or layers challenge traditional notions of reality and fiction.
What are your thoughts? You can reply on this thread below.
Link/s used on this thread:
(1) - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Reality-Fiction_Transcendence
(2) - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ#Q:_What_is_"qualitative_superiority"?
