Racism VS The Indomitable Human Spirit (Fogaréu Milintica VS Asuna Kamakura) (Ides of War VS Path of Wills) (0-0-0)

[Rayfire]

Plot:

Milintica, the prince of dragonkind, had finally let loose in his 1,000 year plot to destroy humankind with the discovery of the Igneus laspis, one of 12 magical gems scattered throughout the solar system. However, before his plan could be fully set in motion, a human with extraordinary force of will stands in his way, undeterred by his newfound, towering form.

Rules:

• Speed is equalized
• Post-Limit Break asuna is used, & Ahuitzotl's Corpse Milintica is used
• Both start 100 metres apart in Shibuya Crossing
• SBA for everything else

Starting Location:

Tokyo, Japan

Stats:

• Asuna scales to baseline 5-C (29.6 Exatons; High-End)
• Milintica varies from 5-C to Low 5-B (40 Exatons & 1,214 Exatons; No Calc) and up to 5-B via Humanity's Last Virtue (3.8 Yottatons)
• Milintica has a 1.35x AP advantage normally, and up to a 128,378x AP advantage via Humanity's Last Virtue

Soundtrack:



Votes:

Dragon with no quote: 0

“My fighting spirit is gonna keep surging… UNTIL I CAN OVERCOME ANYTHING!!!”: 0

“You know who else-“ (Incon): 0

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Alright for starters, although speed is equalised, there's clearly a way for them to get faster via their amps, so who ends up getting the advantage in this case? Also, Is there any drawbacks for Asuna's speed amps?

 

[Rayfire]

Alright for starters, although speed is equalised, there's clearly a way for them to get faster via their amps, so who ends up getting the advantage in this case? Also, Is there any drawbacks for Asuna's speed amps?

I don't know how much milintica can amp himself by, so i can't really tell who'd be faster, but no, not really (Although this is very likely gonna be changed in the PoW rework) They both seem to have precognition though, which would somewhat counter any speed shenanigans.

Besides speed, one important thing to highlight off the bat is that asuna seems to have way more acrobatics feats than milintica. Doing flips is cool and all, but asuna has pretty much an entire paragraph describing her acrobatics, which i think is self-explanatory. And his size in his current form also won't help him when it comes to avoiding things from her either, he'll be a much bigger target. Danmaku-like attacks also don't seem to be listed anywhere on the Spiritum Elementorum page, and those are seen fairly often in PoW, so unless i'm missing something, i don't think he's ever dealt with someone quite like asuna in terms of arsenal or agility before.

Pretty busy today again, so i can't really say much more, but i do have more lined up

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

I don't know how much milintica can amp himself by, so i can't really tell who'd be faster, but no, not really (Although this is very likely gonna be changed in the PoW rework) They both seem to have precognition though, which would somewhat counter any speed shenanigans.

Besides speed, one important thing to highlight off the bat is that asuna seems to have way more acrobatics feats than milintica. Doing flips is cool and all, but asuna has pretty much an entire paragraph describing her acrobatics, which i think is self-explanatory. And his size in his current form also won't help him when it comes to avoiding things from her either, he'll be a much bigger target. Danmaku-like attacks also don't seem to be listed anywhere on the Spiritum Elementorum page, and those are seen fairly often in PoW, so unless i'm missing something, i don't think he's ever dealt with someone quite like asuna in terms of arsenal or agility before.

Pretty busy today again, so i can't really say much more, but i do have more lined up

I've gotta be honest with you I just completely forgot about the danmaku page, that's really the thing that's missing, but every user of Spiritum-Elementorum is capable of performing danmakus. In fact, one of Milintica's main moves, the Crimson Firestorm, is literally a danmaku fire hurricane, constantly spewing lasers everywhere while spinning like a Beyblade

Experience wise, he's already dealt with some foes akin to Asuna arsenal wise, such as Geo, Faraam and Addas. Has Asuna done too with foes akin to Milintica?

 

[Rayfire]

I've gotta be honest with you I just completely forgot about the danmaku page, that's really the thing that's missing, but every user of Spiritum-Elementorum is capable of performing danmakus. In fact, one of Milintica's main moves, the Crimson Firestorm, is literally a danmaku fire hurricane, constantly spewing lasers everywhere while spinning like a Beyblade

Experience wise, he's already dealt with some foes akin to Asuna arsenal wise, such as Geo, Faraam and Addas. Has Asuna done too with foes akin to Milintica?

Something like that would still need to be akin to demons like kedron, who could send projectiles at asuna and a couple others in amounts that's similair to rain (Which is generally just in the thousands) and asuna's only gotten stronger and better since that encounter.

She's fought haruka, for example, who's been fighting way longer than asuna, and was also much smarter than her as a result, and the latter still won (albeit by a hair) which describes milintica fairly well, at least in that regard. Asuna's also faced a lot of similair abilities that the tenebrus users possess, like being able to affect the mind, negating powers, and also the dark realm too, considering skills like [Void of Despair] were no problem for asuna to get out of, and is pretty much the same thing in principle. She'll be pretty familiar with a fair chunk of things that he'd throw her way.

It's obviously not realistic for asuna to be EG (At least at the moment) but going beyond just ratings, Milintica seems to specialise in strategy and analysis, but asuna has plenty of feats of deduction, creativity, prediction, etc, even without knowledge of her opponent (As was the case with kedron, which was a very sudden encounter) which aren't anything listed on milintica's profile.

I don't doubt he's smart enough to keep her on her toes in Battle IQ, but considering he has tunnel vision when it comes to fighting humans, and his less descriptive intelligence section, i think asuna will perform better in some areas. Beyond milintica being 1,000+ years old and mastering his worlds equivalent of napolean-like strategy there isn't many feats/statements that sound like EG there tbh, you wouldn't need to be to absurdly smart to win against a bunch of similairly-powered foes with battle knowledge alone. Without further context that sounds more like gifted.

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Something like that would still need to be akin to demons like kedron, who could send projectiles at asuna and a couple others in amounts that's similair to rain (Which is generally just in the thousands) and asuna's only gotten stronger and better since that encounter.

She's fought haruka, for example, who's been fighting way longer than asuna, and was also much smarter than her as a result, and the latter still won (albeit by a hair) which describes milintica fairly well, at least in that regard. Asuna's also faced a lot of similair abilities that the tenebrus users possess, like being able to affect the mind, negating powers, and also the dark realm too, considering skills like [Void of Despair] were no problem for asuna to get out of, and is pretty much the same thing in principle. She'll be pretty familiar with a fair chunk of things that he'd throw her way.

It's obviously not realistic for asuna to be EG (At least at the moment) but going beyond just ratings, Milintica seems to specialise in strategy and analysis, but asuna has plenty of feats of deduction, creativity, prediction, etc, even without knowledge of her opponent (As was the case with kedron, which was a very sudden encounter) which aren't anything listed on milintica's profile.

I don't doubt he's smart enough to keep her on her toes in Battle IQ, but considering he has tunnel vision when it comes to fighting humans, and his less descriptive intelligence section, i think asuna will perform better in some areas. Beyond milintica being 1,000+ years old and mastering his worlds equivalent of napolean-like strategy there isn't many feats/statements that sound like EG there tbh, you wouldn't need to be to absurdly smart to win against a bunch of similairly-powered foes with battle knowledge alone. Without further context that sounds more like gifted.

Well his intelligence doesn't come just because he can fight people that are in his level, it's that he can fight people stronger than him and still win (Such as when he fought Faraam Godhelm before the Incandescent Infusion, with Faraam being thousands of times stronger and faster, literally High 6-C Vs 6-A and MFTL+ 4,896 Vs MFTL+ 83,232. Despite being brutally injured and almost dying he used his brains and different abilities to knock out Faraam and escape) and that he's a war general, and did many things with his knowledge (when he had 10 Dragons defeat an army of 200.000 men by using his military tactics, with 0 casualties on his side and when he managed to defeat multiple similarly powered opponents at the same time right after being jumped by them, all them with different powers than his so he would have 0 resistance and similar intelligence, but still came out victorious via pure strategy and using their own powers against them). In both of the cases mentioned, he also had no prior knowledge on his opponents pre-battle, with the exception of 2 in the second one, all of his strategies came out on the spot and they all worked despite his enemies' knowledge of him and coordination.

Many of the abilities that Asuna has (such as Time Manipulation, the multiple different Elemental Manipulations, Gravity Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation and others) he has also dealt with numerous times, and developed many counters for them based on his own knowledge (such as reversing the temperature of ice to transform it into energy for him to absorb, for example). Trust me bro do NOT underestimate his knowledge, he was trained from birth to be able to create strategies on the spot and countermeasures for the strategies if they fail, as a war general, it's only expected that he'd know what to do in almost any type of battle without getting stressed

 

[Rayfire]

and that he's a war general, and did many things with his knowledge (when he had 10 Dragons defeat an army of 200.000 men by using his military tactics, with 0 casualties on his side and when he managed to defeat multiple similarly powered opponents at the same time right after being jumped by them, all them with different powers than his so he would have 0 resistance and similar intelligence, but still came out victorious via pure strategy and using their own powers against them). In both of the cases mentioned, he also had no prior knowledge on his opponents pre-battle, with the exception of 2 in the second one, all of his strategies came out on the spot and they all worked despite his enemies' knowledge of him and coordination.

Why is most of that not on his profile? I feel like those would make much more sense for EG justifications

Even then, those are definitely impressive, but asuna's still a very unique opponent to him. For one, she outclasses his best LS feats quite handily (Baseline Class Z vs Asuna's calc is a difference of 42.0752x) so any TK/Gravity Magic shenanigans will be practically impossible to counter. He has statistics amplification but going off the description alone it sounds more like it's for attack potency than anything, especially without any showings of it i know of otherwise.

The best agility feat i know of in Ides of War is also the crimson firestorm which doesn't have any clear-cut evidence of being harder to avoid than anything asuna has before, even when you've explained it earlier, so landing any physical attacks will be difficult to begin, which is why asuna's skill is important here too.

It's possible asuna can copy a lot of milintica's abilities directly too with Power Mimicry, as milintica seems to lack a resistance to it, and magic in both verses seem fairly similair to each other, being a form of inner power (Souls for PoW) and derivative of willpower too. She'd likely expand on them herself like she did with [Turbocharge], and give her a good edge I don't think smarts alone will get milintica the win, especially when asuna deals with superior opponents all the time in this way to begin with.

Well his intelligence doesn't come just because he can fight people that are in his level, it's that he can fight people stronger than him and still win (Such as when he fought Faraam Godhelm before the Incandescent Infusion, with Faraam being thousands of times stronger and faster, literally High 6-C Vs 6-A and MFTL+ 4,896 Vs MFTL+ 83,232. Despite being brutally injured and almost dying he used his brains and different abilities to knock out Faraam and escape)

Asuna was able to pull off a very similair feat, even when haruka wasn't holding back on her, unlike the case with shizu. (7-A vs High 6-A) So in terms of beating the odds asuna arguably has an advantage in that too, she lasted quite a while before limit break kicked in and really got her going. Granted, precog and force of will played a massive role, but of course intelligence was too.

Many of the abilities that Asuna has (such as Time Manipulation, the multiple different Elemental Manipulations, Gravity Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation and others) he has also dealt with numerous times, and developed many counters for them based on his own knowledge (such as reversing the temperature of ice to transform it into energy for him to absorb, for example). Trust me bro do NOT underestimate his knowledge, he was trained from birth to be able to create strategies on the spot and countermeasures for the strategies if they fail, as a war general, it's only expected that he'd know what to do in almost any type of battle without getting stressed

I don't doubt that, but you can say the same for asuna, particularly for the tenebrus elementorum which i described earlier. She'll resist a lot of the mind/soul stuff by default, and willpower is also a great counter to things like the death manipulation, which asuna will have plenty of, thanks to, well, the stakes, as well as Reactive Evolution.

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Why is most of that not on his profile? I feel like those would make much more sense for EG justifications

Even then, those are definitely impressive, but asuna's still a very unique opponent to him. For one, she outclasses his best LS feats quite handily (Baseline Class Z vs Asuna's calc is a difference of 42.0752x) so any TK/Gravity Magic shenanigans will be practically impossible to counter. He has statistics amplification but going off the description alone it sounds more like it's for attack potency than anything, especially without any showings of it i know of otherwise.

The best agility feat i know of in Ides of War is also the crimson firestorm which doesn't have any clear-cut evidence of being harder to avoid than anything asuna has before, even when you've explained it earlier, so landing any physical attacks will be difficult to begin, which is why asuna's skill is important here too.

It's possible asuna can copy a lot of milintica's abilities directly too with Power Mimicry, as milintica seems to lack a resistance to it, and magic in both verses seem fairly similair to each other, being a form of inner power (Souls for PoW) and derivative of willpower too. She'd likely expand on them herself like she did with [Turbocharge], and give her a good edge I don't think smarts alone will get milintica the win, especially when asuna deals with superior opponents all the time in this way to begin with.

Asuna was able to pull off a very similair feat, even when haruka wasn't holding back on her, unlike the case with shizu. (7-A vs High 6-A) So in terms of beating the odds asuna arguably has an advantage in that too, she lasted quite a while before limit break kicked in and really got her going. Granted, precog and force of will played a massive role, but of course intelligence was too.

I don't doubt that, but you can say the same for asuna, particularly for the tenebrus elementorum which i described earlier. She'll resist a lot of the mind/soul stuff by default, and willpower is also a great counter to things like the death manipulation, which asuna will have plenty of, thanks to, well, the stakes, as well as Reactive Evolution.

Why is most of that not on his profile? I feel like those would make much more sense for EG justifications

Even then, those are definitely impressive, but asuna's still a very unique opponent to him. For one, she outclasses his best LS feats quite handily (Baseline Class Z vs Asuna's calc is a difference of 42.0752x) so any TK/Gravity Magic shenanigans will be practically impossible to counter. He has statistics amplification but going off the description alone it sounds more like it's for attack potency than anything, especially without any showings of it i know of otherwise.

The best agility feat i know of in Ides of War is also the crimson firestorm which doesn't have any clear-cut evidence of being harder to avoid than anything asuna has before, even when you've explained it earlier, so landing any physical attacks will be difficult to begin, which is why asuna's skill is important here too.

It's possible asuna can copy a lot of milintica's abilities directly too with Power Mimicry, as milintica seems to lack a resistance to it, and magic in both verses seem fairly similair to each other, being a form of inner power (Souls for PoW) and derivative of willpower too. She'd likely expand on them herself like she did with [Turbocharge], and give her a good edge I don't think smarts alone will get milintica the win, especially when asuna deals with superior opponents all the time in this way to begin with.

Asuna was able to pull off a very similair feat, even when haruka wasn't holding back on her, unlike the case with shizu. (7-A vs High 6-A) So in terms of beating the odds asuna arguably has an advantage in that too, she lasted quite a while before limit break kicked in and really got her going. Granted, precog and force of will played a massive role, but of course intelligence was too.

I don't doubt that, but you can say the same for asuna, particularly for the tenebrus elementorum which i described earlier. She'll resist a lot of the mind/soul stuff by default, and willpower is also a great counter to things like the death manipulation, which asuna will have plenty of, thanks to, well, the stakes, as well as Reactive Evolution.

I forgor

Also which statistics Amplification are you talking about exactly?

Also in terms of power mimicry, logically the same can happen in reverse, as by your own words, both magic systems are quite alike

Also, you talked about her reactive evolution however in her own page, the evolution was specifically against physical stats, and the Death Manipulation of the Igneus Iaspis is a constantly active Non-Physical attack, therefore, there's nothing to reactive evolve from. Plus, although I did say it was a counter, that doesn't make the attack ineffective. It STILL WORKS, it just takes longer than it would with others. If she stays in his area of influence for long enough, she WILL die, despite her willpower, it will simply take longer.

Btw how about we already imagine their powers clashing in the fight so we have a better idea

 

[Rayfire]

Also, you talked about her reactive evolution however in her own page, the evolution was specifically against physical stats, and the Death Manipulation of the Igneus Iaspis is a constantly active Non-Physical attack, therefore, there's nothing to reactive evolve from.

• Enhanced Reactive Evolution (Asuna went from being overwhelmed by haruka's speed and power to surpassing it quickly after activating her limit break. A stronger force of will warrants a faster degree of reactive evolution, as shown by asuna growing thousands of times stronger within the span of a couple minutes during their fight. In some cases, this even causes an even further growth in willpower during a particularly intense situation, as stated by asuna.)

This sounds pretty accurate to the current plot, too. Stated here

Also in terms of power mimicry, logically the same can happen in reverse, as by your own words, both magic systems are quite alike

Difference is that milintica is explicitly limited to things of his own mastered elements. I don't think it ever explains any actual showings either, so if we take it at face value it'd be an inferior version, considering that asuna's is backed up by things such as accelerated development. Milintica also has this thanks to the elementorum page, but it's limited to physical stats judging by how it's explained, rather than creating unique skills quickly like asuna can. She should be able to do this quicker as a result.

Also which statistics Amplification are you talking about exactly?

• Statistics Amplification (by absorbing energy and materials associated with their elements, they can get an absurd power boost, since they can store a nigh-limitless amount of elemental energy)

Plus, although I did say it was a counter, that doesn't make the attack ineffective. It STILL WORKS, it just takes longer than it would with others. If she stays in his area of influence for long enough, she WILL die, despite her willpower, it will simply take longer.

I know, but if you know anything about my characters, it's that willpower is their whole thing Feats-Wise Asuna is most likely superior to milintica too. Even before limit break she can handle organ obliteration and immense blood loss for quite a while, and get stronger overtime through pure will alone, and she massively upscales from this now, even moreso with the stakes and RE, which is another factor that makes asuna stand out from his previous opponents. The willpower examples on the elementorum page is mostly just pain tolerance and fighting whilst extremely exhausted. Which, while good, is pretty much traditional supwill stuff, unlike PoW.

She isn't EG, obviously, but she's more than smart enough to know she shouldn’t stay in his line of sight if she can help it anyway, and use intricate methods to do so. Even if willpower didn't slow it down, 30 seconds is far more than enough time for her to do that.