[R1M4] 1st Generals of Grove Tournament - Salivas C. Otter vs. Spamton (0-0-0)

[ExSENNA]

Welcome to the Fourth Match of the First Round of the 1st Generals of Grove Tournament! (Bracket) (Event Leaderboard)

On the blue corner, we have Salivas C. Otter, submitted by @CCMBROTTERFN!
On the red corner, we have Spamton, submitted by @Eden_Warlock99!
Duel 4, let's go!

Salivas is 65 Tons. Spamton is 17.7 Tons. Salivas has a 3.6x AP Advantage.
Salivas has Class 25, Spamton has Unknown LS. Salivas has the LS Advantage.

Start of Journey Arc Salivas is used.
Anything above 8-A is restricted.
Speed is equalized.
Starting distance is 7 meters.

Salivas:
Spamton:
Incon:

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I take it that Salivas' FTL "Attack and Reactions" is supposed to be his combat speed, right?
Having Attack Speed and Reactions over x333564 their Combat Speed would make one basically impossible to hit or avoid in speed equal.

 

[ExSENNA]

I take it that Salivas' FTL "Attack and Reactions" is supposed to be his combat speed, right?
Having Attack Speed and Reactions over x333564 their Combat Speed would make one basically impossible to hit or avoid in speed equal.

That would be equalized regardless for the tournament itself

 

[CCMBROTTERFN]

Okay, Salivas is going to destroy him in hand-to-hand, since all his physical stats are way higher. He is also way smarter and skilled, meaning in a hand to hand fight, Spamton is dead. When ranged abilities come into play, it’s a bit more interesting but I still think it goes to Salivas. While Spamton has Soul Manipulation, an ability that heavily restrains his healing factor and nullifies his immortality within his own canon, seeing as Salivas is 3.6 times more durable than Spamton is strong, it’s likely that he could still tank some moves, especially with his stamina. He also has the 8 Golden Orbs, which if all 8 come in contact with something, it gets erased, which would be an attack Spamton couldn’t resist. Don’t say his Acausality helps, just read how it works. It won’t. Plus, Salivas has Precognition and Enhanced Sense, making any Attack way easier for him to dodge. And with all his advantages, I vote Salivas.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It should be noted that Spamton is significantly more durable than his AP (Frisk at this point can harm Robot 98 in its Combat Form, which even in its base form, had defense value of 98. Yet, this same Frisk can't even scratch Spamton. To put it into perspective, Robot 98 is more durable in its Combat Form (Taking around 50 damage from Frisk's attacks while its Base Form takes around 90) and its 98 DEF puts it significantly beyond even the likes of Asgore and Toriel, the former of which is so superior to characters like Undyne to the point where she considers herself killing Frisk to be mercy compared to what Asgore could do. Do note that Undyne's AP is >Spamton's).

Plus, his AP disadvantage won't factor in too much either, considering the fact that the entire thing about Undertale SOUL manipulation negating durability would allow Spamton to kill Salivas in far less hits required than normal ones without magic.

I'll also say that hand-to-hand skill and the such, won't really matter in this fight. You can check Spamton's NA/T section, his attacks are basically just danmaku galore, dozens upon dozens of Mini Spamton clones, explosives, flying Spamton heads, etc. I'm not sure if Salivas really has experience against such attacks.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Oh, Spamton's posse is also listed in his Standard Equipment, so Ig he can use them.
Robot 98: With 40 ATK and 98 DEF in its base form, and only becoming stronger when it transforms into its XP(ipis) Form, Robot 98 is quite the formidable foe. It can stretch its arms to great lengths. It's willing to take hits for Spamton and usually combines its attacks with him.
Robot 100: Possesses 40 ATK and a DEF value of 100, while also being able to dodge attacks. It fights in a quiz-like format, much like the first Mettaton fight in Undertale. However, due to having the most advanced AI of the robots Undyne made, it usually defies Spamton.
Papybot: With 20 ATK and DEF, (The same as Papyrus') it's the weakest of Spamton's posse. It can still support Spamton by coordinating attacks together.

(For the record, 50 ATK is where 17.7 Tons originates from)

 

[SSB64]

Following.

 

[CCMBROTTERFN]

It should be noted that Spamton is significantly more durable than his AP (Frisk at this point can harm Robot 98 in its Combat Form, which even in its base form, had defense value of 98. Yet, this same Frisk can't even scratch Spamton. To put it into perspective, Robot 98 is more durable in its Combat Form (Taking around 50 damage from Frisk's attacks while its Base Form takes around 90) and its 98 DEF puts it significantly beyond even the likes of Asgore and Toriel, the former of which is so superior to characters like Undyne to the point where she considers herself killing Frisk to be mercy compared to what Asgore could do. Do note that Undyne's AP is >Spamton's).

Plus, his AP disadvantage won't factor in too much either, considering the fact that the entire thing about Undertale SOUL manipulation negating durability would allow Spamton to kill Salivas in far less hits required than normal ones without magic.

I'll also say that hand-to-hand skill and the such, won't really matter in this fight. You can check Spamton's NA/T section, his attacks are basically just danmaku galore, dozens upon dozens of Mini Spamton clones, explosives, flying Spamton heads, etc. I'm not sure if Salivas really has experience against such attacks.

Okay, these are all fair points. But Salivas still has an Intelligence advantage plus it’s really easy for him to dodge given his Precognition, Teleportation and Enhanced Senses, making it likely that Spamton alone can’t beat him. And there is one thing Spamton definitely can’t defend against, once again, I will mention his Existence Erasure.

Oh, Spamton's posse is also listed in his Standard Equipment, so Ig he can use them.
Robot 98: With 40 ATK and 98 DEF in its base form, and only becoming stronger when it transforms into its XP(ipis) Form, Robot 98 is quite the formidable foe. It can stretch its arms to great lengths. It's willing to take hits for Spamton and usually combines its attacks with him.
Robot 100: Possesses 40 ATK and a DEF value of 100, while also being able to dodge attacks. It fights in a quiz-like format, much like the first Mettaton fight in Undertale. However, due to having the most advanced AI of the robots Undyne made, it usually defies Spamton.
Papybot: With 20 ATK and DEF, (The same as Papyrus') it's the weakest of Spamton's posse. It can still support Spamton by coordinating attacks together.

(For the record, 50 ATK is where 17.7 Tons originates from)

This makes the fight a bit harder, but Salivas can still likely beat these others since he should still be physically and mentally superior. Plus, Salivas’s golden orbs can spread out. It gets rid of his main Wincon if he has to at the time, but it’s also likely he could just take them out one at a time with Existence Erasure since they’re robots and he doesn’t really care about robots.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Okay, these are all fair points. But Salivas still has an Intelligence advantage plus it’s really easy for him to dodge given his Precognition, Teleportation and Enhanced Senses, making it likely that Spamton alone can’t beat him.

Can you clarify the mechanics behind Salivas’s Teleportation? It isn’t really detailed in his profile, like does it have a cooldown, specific triggers, ya know?

I'll also say that Salivas’s Limited Precognition and Enhanced Senses probably won't offer much here. Spamton’s attacks aren't hard to dodge because they’re particularly fast or visually subtle but because of how much space they cover and how much stuff is constantly being thrown out. Even if Salivas can predict some of the attacks, the sheer number of them would make it extremely hard to evade every single one (Like look at this).

And there is one thing Spamton definitely can’t defend against, once again, I will mention his Existence Erasure.

This assumes a direct shot at Spamton. Spamton’s setup is designed to have his posse act as buffers for him.
Robot 98, specificially, will actively protect Spamton by jumping in the way of any attack aimed at him.
Robot 100 would also be particularly challenging for Salivas to pin down, as it’s agile even by monster standards, who are already pretty experienced at dodging danmaku-like attacks (Monsters express themselves with danmaku and their "attacks" are akin to greeting cards. This includes Woshua spiraling patterns of dozens of water-drop bullets or Vulkin firing dozens of bolts at a wide angle). It’s also wearing electrified merchandise, so any attempt to attack it at close range would leave him open to being electrocuted.

So even if Salivas erases Robot 98 or any other bot, each one should buy Spamton with the extra time necessary to potentially take Salivas down.

 

[CCMBROTTERFN]

Can you clarify the mechanics behind Salivas’s Teleportation? It isn’t really detailed in his profile, like does it have a cooldown, specific triggers, ya know?

Not really. Supposedly it’s an instant movement to any location he has ever seen. Like fast travel in a video game but actually canon. And I do mean ever seen. He has teleported in areas he himself has stated to have never been solely because he could see there. And it doesn’t seem to have a cool down. And if it is, it’s only really small.

I'll also say that Salivas’s Limited Precognition and Enhanced Senses probably won't offer much here. Spamton’s attacks aren't hard to dodge because they’re particularly fast or visually subtle but because of how much space they cover and how much stuff is constantly being thrown out. Even if Salivas can predict some of the attacks, the sheer number of them would make it extremely hard to evade every single one (Like look at this).

Not a problem. Unless they can cover a literal mountain sized area, he could actually (with later and earlier feats to back it up) jump thousands of feet into the sky. And since he can see grass sized objects and fire at this range, this give him a way to simply use his range to win.

This assumes a direct shot at Spamton. Spamton’s setup is designed to have his posse act as buffers for him.
Robot 98, specificially, will actively protect Spamton by jumping in the way of any attack aimed at him.
Robot 100 would also be particularly challenging for Salivas to pin down, as it’s agile even by monster standards, who are already pretty experienced at dodging danmaku-like attacks (Monsters express themselves with danmaku and their "attacks" are akin to greeting cards. This includes Woshua spiraling patterns of dozens of water-drop bullets or Vulkin firing dozens of bolts at a wide angle).

They might be a problem if it weren’t for one thing that really hurts their chances. The 8 Golden Orbs are insanely hot. They can literally turn most things they touch to gas or liquid within an instant. This isn’t on his page because it’s a Golden Orb power he can’t control, but it was mentioned on the (currently outdated) Golden Orbs page, which says this: Heat Manipulation (Instantaneously evaporated Avin’s Liquid, which is likely close to water.). They can also Divide into multiple smaller parts without losing power. This means they could have 8 orbs for each one. While they won’t erase anymore, the heat and power will remain the same.

It’s also wearing electrified merchandise, so any attempt to attack it at close range would leave him open to being electrocuted.

… is that supposed to stop him? He had his whole body frozen including the air in his lungs and blood in his veins and kept moving.