Quick question about Kaguya

[RanaProGamer]

My question to you all is, why is it that Kaguya or any other God Tier of the verse doesn't scale to the ETSB? The ETSB is just a Truth-Seeking Orb which is expanding due to Kaguya providing it with chakra. It is the reason that Kaguya never left the dimension after creating it since if she went to another dimension, she wouldn't be able to supply chakra into it. All chakra normally belongs to her and after getting back most of it, she created the ETSB. Naruto not only possess half the 9 tails as well as a portion of each Bijuu, but he also has half of the powers of the Sage Of Six Paths. Not forget to mention that the existence of Naruto and Sasuke exceeded the space curvature in Boruto whereas the existence of Kaguya, Hagoromo and, Hamura didn't. We know this because of Momoshiki, who, after getting the report on the space curvature, arrived at Earth in a week whereas Kaguya, Hagoromo, and Hamura, fought for a whole month and no Ohtsutsuki member arrived. This means that Naruto and Sasuke have chakra above Kaguya, which explains why they were able to fight Momoshiki who is stronger than Kaguya. Naruto and Sasuke having more chakra mean that even they should be able to use Jutsu that rival Kaguya's ETSB or higher. It's consistent with the 10 tails, which is a weaker version of Kaguya, who has power compared to a small planet, with Juubito exceeding that as well as Juubidara with only 1 Rinnegan surpassing him. Or if you go by the novels, there are even statements by Naruto who compared Momoshiki's dimension to Kaguya which was later proven when a 'sunrise' in his dimension was mentioned.

My point is, why do none of the God Tiers scales to her ETSB?

 

[AstralKing7]

Now the think about the space curvature is true with Naruto don't know about sasuke.


Kaguya herself doesn't even scale to the ESTB. Why in the world would other god tier scale to it? It's a her last attack which is the strongest. It used up all of her chakra

 

[Mindovin]

It didn't use all of her chakra.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Now the think about the space curvature is true with Naruto don't know about sasuke.

Kaguya herself doesn't even scale to the ESTB. Why in the world would other god tier scale to it? It's a her last attack which is the strongest. It used up all of her chakra

Exactly what Mindovin said, it didn't use up all her chakra.

 

[RanaProGamer]

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[Kidkinsey]

it used the chakra of those trapped in the god tree, and naruto has more chakra then those people so imo him scaling to it isnt to far fetched

 

[RanaProGamer]

it used the chakra of those trapped in the god tree, and naruto has more chakra then those people so imo him scaling to it isnt to far fetched

Not forget to mention that Naruto actually gave a small portion of his chakra to each shinobi that got trapped inside the God Tree, so the ESTB also used the chakra of Naruto.

 

[NotCensored]

Saying Kaguya doesn't scale to ETSO is like saying Naruto doesn't scale to Rasengan...

It's literally a dense orb of chakra like most attacks in the series of course it scales to her and other god tiers AP

 

[RanaProGamer]

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[TISSG7Redgrave]

its kinda for consistency i think. She is only that tier with that attack and everyone else already struggled against her without the ETSB which is a whole different ball game. ETSB also does take a bit of time so there was openings that can be exploited. They can be stronger than kaguya physically but ETSB is a "special" attack and unless anyone does anything similar i don't think they scale to that ball

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with RedGrave makes sense to me; however, Jvando might know more detail on it.

 

[Elizhaa]

^^ I agree on Medeus and Redgrave's points.

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

it used the chakra of those trapped in the god tree, and naruto has more chakra then those people so imo him scaling to it isnt to far fetched

He doesn't. Naruro himself said the chakra that Madara absrobed before turned into Kaguya is more than the Juubi. And also the Juubi/Madara has more chakra than Naruto.

 

[AstralKing7]

Tbf that can be argued still^ Naruto has an insane amount of chakra

 

[RanaProGamer]

it used the chakra of those trapped in the god tree, and naruto has more chakra then those people so imo him scaling to it isnt to far fetched

He doesn't. Naruro himself said the chakra that Madara absrobed before turned into Kaguya is more than the Juubi. And also the Juubi/Madara has more chakra than Naruto.

You seem to be forgetting that KCM2 Naruto actually a gave a portion of his chakra to each of the Shinobi Alliance, giving them 3 times the chakra of Kakashi who is comparable to each of the Akatsuki members and each Akatsuki members can take on a thousand shinobi each. Meaning Naruto himself amped the Shinobi Alliance by thousands of times with just half of the 9 tails. Hashirama compared that level of chakra to his own and would later on say that Juubi Obito had more chakra than him. Juubi Madara with one rinnegan who is stronger than Juubi Obito got slapped by SOSP Naruto. So yes, Naruto does have more chakra than the Shinobi Alliance.

Also, the chakra that Madara absorbed was only the Bijuu chakra, the chakra that Kaguya absorbed was of the Shinobi Alliance.

Read what I said before, the existence of Kaguya, Hagoromo and Hamura never exceeded the space curvature yet the existence of Adult Naruto (and possibly Sasuke) did, meaning Adult Naruto (and possibly Sasuke) have more chakra than Kaguya. It also explains how they were able to fight against Momoshiki who is far stronger than Kaguya.

 

[RanaProGamer]

its kinda for consistency i think. She is only that tier with that attack and everyone else already struggled against her without the ETSB which is a whole different ball game. ETSB also does take a bit of time so there was openings that can be exploited. They can be stronger than kaguya physically but ETSB is a "special" attack and unless anyone does anything similar i don't think they scale to that ball

True, but remember that Adult Sasuke believed that Momoshiki and Kinshiki were a greater threat than Kaguya. The attacks that made Kaguya a threat were the ETSB and the Infinite Tsukuyomi, yet believed that Momoshiki was a greater threat than that.

 

[Kidkinsey]

what he said ^ thats the main reason i think her getting chakra from the allieance isnt a big deal kcm2 narutos chakra reserves> the allieance

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

He doesn't. Naruro himself said the chakra that Madara absrobed before turned into Kaguya is more than the Juubi. And also the Juubi/Madara has more chakra than Naruto.
You seem to be forgetting that KCM2 Naruto actually a gave a portion of his chakra to each of the Shinobi Alliance, giving them 3 times the chakra of Kakashi who is comparable to each of the Akatsuki members and each Akatsuki members can take on a thousand shinobi each. Meaning Naruto himself amped the Shinobi Alliance by thousands of times with just half of the 9 tails. Hashirama compared that level of chakra to his own and would later on say that Juubi Obito had more chakra than him. Juubi Madara with one rinnegan who is stronger than Juubi Obito got slapped by SOSP Naruto. So yes, Naruto does have more chakra than the Shinobi Alliance.

Also, the chakra that Madara absorbed was only the Bijuu chakra, the chakra that Kaguya absorbed was of the Shinobi Alliance.

Kaguya absorbed the chakra of the whole world. Madara absorbed the chakra of the whole world with IT before turning to Kaguya. Naruto said that this Chakra is even more than the Juubi and he was amazed when Madara powered up his chakra before turning to Kaguya.

Shinobi Alliance is not the whole world. So its not relevant. If you think IT is only SA chakra then you are wrong. Even if BSM Naruto has more chakra. Shinjuu Tree also absorbed BM Naruto's chakra. Madara absrobed that Tree.

 

[Lop222]

rana the existence of Kaguya, Hagoromo and Hamura never exceeded the space curvature

We dont know that. The fight happened 1000 years ago maybe it did.

 

[Lop222]

its kinda for consistency i think. She is only that tier with that attack and everyone else already struggled against her without the ETSB which is a whole different ball game. ETSB also does take a bit of time so there was openings that can be exploited. They can be stronger than kaguya physically but ETSB is a "special" attack and unless anyone does anything similar i don't think they scale to that ball

True, but remember that Adult Sasuke believed that Momoshiki and Kinshiki were a greater threat than Kaguya. The attacks that made Kaguya a threat were the ETSB and the Infinite Tsukuyomi, yet believed that Momoshiki was a greater threat than that.

yet believed that Momoshiki was a greater threat than that. This been debunked multiple times. Sasukes statement doesnt refer to momoshiki. Sasuke even made this statement in naruto gaiden manga. He dindt even met Momoshiki yet.

When Konohamaru and naruto where talking they said Kaguyas power was beyond measure.

So why would Naruto now have more chakra than Kaguya, if they find her power beyond measure aka doesnt know how strong she is? Remember when they fought kaguya she wasnt ad her fullpower she was still missing ninetails chakra inside of naruto.

 

[RanaProGamer]

its kinda for consistency i think. She is only that tier with that attack and everyone else already struggled against her without the ETSB which is a whole different ball game. ETSB also does take a bit of time so there was openings that can be exploited. They can be stronger than kaguya physically but ETSB is a "special" attack and unless anyone does anything similar i don't think they scale to that ball

True, but remember that Adult Sasuke believed that Momoshiki and Kinshiki were a greater threat than Kaguya. The attacks that made Kaguya a threat were the ETSB and the Infinite Tsukuyomi, yet believed that Momoshiki was a greater threat than that.

yet believed that Momoshiki was a greater threat than that. This been debunked multiple times. Sasukes statement doesnt refer to momoshiki. Sasuke even made this statement in naruto gaiden manga. He dindt even met Momoshiki yet.
When Konohamaru and naruto where talking they said Kaguyas power was beyond measure.

So why would Naruto now have more chakra than Kaguya, if they find her power beyond measure aka doesnt know how strong she is? Remember when they fought kaguya she wasnt ad her fullpower she was still missing ninetails chakra inside of naruto.

In the manga, Sasuke legit learned Momoshiki's name through the scrolls. After deciphering most of the scrolls he ran to the stadium to warn Naruto that Momoshiki and Kinshiki are the people that Kaguya feared. Also Sasuke did meet Momoshiki after his encounter with Kinshiki and found himself at a disadvantage upon his arrival.

Movie: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...0321/Screen_Shot_2019-05-14_at_7.54.49_PM.png

Manga: http://fanfox.net/manga/boruto_naruto_next_generations/c005/1.html#ipg30

Anime: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...9257/Screen_Shot_2019-05-29_at_2.31.27_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...6896/Screen_Shot_2019-05-29_at_2.31.45_AM.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...0283/Screen_Shot_2019-05-29_at_2.32.08_AM.png

Novel: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...in-qimg-35a3d5ee4681b4a4c7454db5b2aa9405.jpeg

All of these point to Kaguya fearing Momoshiki and Kinshiki despite Kaguya being able to create an ETSB.

Also, Zetsu actually stated that after absorbing the chakra of her dimensions and Shinobi Alliance that she was the strongest that she has ever been. Meaning Naruto and Sasuke, while inexperienced with their powers, were taking on a Kaguya stronger than one that fought Hagoromo and Hamura.

Not forget to mention that she believed that she would have a better chance of fighting Momoshiki and Kinshiki with an army instead of fighting them in her prime.

 

[Mindovin]

Did Naruto and Sasuke fought her after absorbing chakra from IT? Because I remember, only Kakashi fought against Kaguya after it.

Also, Kakashi stated at least 3 times when Kurama gave him chakra and when Naruto give it to the alliance it was more than that amount.

 

[Lop222]

In the manga, Sasuke legit learned Momoshiki's name through the scrolls. After deciphering most of the scrolls he ran to the stadium to warn Naruto that Momoshiki and Kinshiki are the people that Kaguya feared. Also Sasuke did meet Momoshiki after his encounter with Kinshiki and found himself at a disadvantage upon his arrival.
Movie: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...0321/Screen_Shot_2019-05-14_at_7.54.49_PM.png

Manga: http://fanfox.net/manga/boruto_naruto_next_generations/c005/1.html#ipg30

Anime: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...9257/Screen_Shot_2019-05-29_at_2.31.27_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...6896/Screen_Shot_2019-05-29_at_2.31.45_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...6587/Screen_Shot_2019-05-29_at_2.32.25_AM.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...0283/Screen_Shot_2019-05-29_at_2.32.08_AM.png

Novel: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...in-qimg-35a3d5ee4681b4a4c7454db5b2aa9405.jpeg

All of these point to Kaguya fearing Momoshiki and Kinshiki despite Kaguya being able to create an ETSB.

OK I agree but Sasuke said that because Momoshiki and Kinshiki are part of the army Kaguya was preparing for

Also your'e saying after deciphering most of the scrolls he ran to the stadium to warn Naruto that Momoshiki and Kinshiki are the people that Kaguya feared. http://fanfox.net/manga/boruto_naruto_next_generations/c005/30.html https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...0321/Screen_Shot_2019-05-14_at_7.54.49_PM.png

I dont see where Sasuke says that Kaguya feared only those 2.

Look Kaguya was also preparing for Urashiki and Sasuke dindt even mention him.

Feared does also not equal weak. Law in Onepiece feared Vergo and Law defeated him. So I dont really get why people use this feared argument to scale Momo above Kaguya.

Not forget to mention that she believed that she would have a better chance of fighting Momoshiki and Kinshiki with an army instead of fighting them in her prime. really? Kaguya also choose white zetsu army above her sons. so that like saying zetsu army should be scaled above hagoromo and hamura


@Mindovin after Kakashi fought against Kaguya, Naruto and Sasuke sealed her. so Naruto and Sasuke dindt fought amped Kaguya.

 

[Mindovin]

Please don't quote long replies. If you want to quote then delete the content within it.

 

[RanaProGamer]

The manga, anime, movie and novel have different wordings.

In the manga, where Urashiki doesn't exist, Sasuke says 'these 2'.

In the anime, where Urashiki does exist, Sasuke says 'these guys'.

In the movie, where Urashiki doesn't exist, Sasuke says 'these guys'.

In the novel, where Urashiki doesn't exist, Sasuke says 'these guys'.

Most often than not, he says that Kaguya's scrolls had an entry about the arrival of 'these guys'.

Also note that in the novel, after Sasuke says that Momoshiki and Kinshiki are enemies that Kaguya can't face without an army. The author backs it up by saying it again. Note that there are no quotations or reference that anyone said it means that the author himself wrote that after Sasuke's line.

Also, where was it ever stated that Momoshiki and Kinshiki are part of the army that Kaguya was preparing for? When Momoshiki, Kinshiki and Urashiki literally arrived on Earth without an army.

 

[RanaProGamer]

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[Damage3245]

It's been debated so many times we have a discussion rule on this:

> Please refrain from attempting to upgrade the regular statistics of Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. It was decided that Kaguya should not be granted durability or attack potency comparable to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball for her casual attacks, as the only scene wherein this rating would be warranted is strife with Plot-Induced Stupidity.

 

[RanaProGamer]

It's been debated so many times we have a discussion rule on this:
> Please refrain from attempting to upgrade the regular statistics of Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. It was decided that Kaguya should not be granted durability or attack potency comparable to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball for her casual attacks, as the only scene wherein this rating would be warranted is strife with Plot-Induced Stupidity.

I never said Star Level, if anything, even I am aware that Kaguya's ETSB was going to destroy her dimension overtime, which would've took a couple of hours. My point is why do none of the God Tiers not scale to the power that the ETSB can output within few minutes? Which was going to destroy the planet they were on?

 

[Kidkinsey]

why would it have taken a couple hours?

 

[RanaProGamer]

why would it have taken a couple hours?

If the distance between the star and the planet were the same as ours, that would mean that it would have took a couple of hours to destroy the dimension, the ETSB despite being slightly above the planet took a couple of minutes and still didn't reach the surface of the planet.

 

[RanaProGamer]

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