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Possibly Bionicle upgrade.

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The planet of Spherus Magna has a radius roughly 11x that of Jupiter, or a diameter of. 3,139,362.18861 kilometers Currently, the assumption is that it has the standard gravity of Earth. However, this is what WOG has to say about the gravity situation

"Keep in mind that the gravity on Krypton was much greater than that of Earth, but its people were not crushed by it. Why? Same reason it didn't happen here, because it's a fantasy universe that does not have to follow the rules of our reality."

Chat with Greg Farshtey | Page 429

Page 429 of Chat with Greg Farshtey.
greg.thegreatarchives.com greg.thegreatarchives.com

He does not outright say the that Spherus Magnas does not have higher gravity, in fact he even compares it to Krypton in that statement. He gives more ir less a blanket statement "it's fiction" but that can easily just as mean a hypothetical gravity for the planet that's higher than earth is on the table, just not something he wishes to assert.


This calc puts the planets gravity at 247.75x that of earths own gravity




Input the values of the planets size and gravity on SD dot nets planetary calculator and the minimum energy to exceed the planets GBE would be 2.053E+44 joules of energy, large star+ tier nearly a supernovas worth of energy.

Word of God says Mata Nui can destroy stars and this gravity calc solidifies it, since he can destroy Spherus Magna. This would also bump up a lot ot characters thanks to such a high gravity and them being able to freely mpve around it.
 
Nice, I just wanna say but would this bump up essentially every character to a decent degree? We've seen even Matoran lift boulders bigger than their whole bodies overhead, most likely putting them at lifting over easily hundreds of metric tons.
 
We still need staff input or input from other knowledgeable bionicle members, and with the new gravity, it might cause some calcs to be changed.
 
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Are calc members fine with doing this? Does the calc make sense?
 
from someone:
"not really sure how i feel about the gravity calc, i think it really depends on how you interpret greg. personally, i think his words more imply that he realizes it should technically have higher gravity, but "because it's a fantasy universe that does not have to follow the rules of our reality," he doesnt believe it should apply to the characters in that way

whenever we see characters or objects moving around in the movies and animated material, things fall and such as if gravity were normal. there are also characters who have the ability to increase gravity and stuff like that, so i feel like we're probably just supposed to treat gravity as if it's normal in this series despite the size of the planet"
 
A calculation obviously has to be placed in a blog post and then evaluated by our calc group before it can be used.
 
Can somebody summarise what we need to do here in an easy to understand manner please?
 
Seems ok for now. Although even if the upgrade is accepted, i think that the durability shouldn't be upgraded since the Mata Nui Robot was destroyed by a shard of Aqua Magna. But hey, someone strong enough to destroy a sun doesn't necessarily has star level of durability....
 
Elizio33 said:
Seems ok for now. Although even if the upgrade is accepted, i think that the durability shouldn't be upgraded since the Mata Nui Robot was destroyed by a shard of Aqua Magna. But hey, someone strong enough to destroy a sun doesn't necessarily has star level of durability....
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The robots took hits from each other.
 
If there is a calculation, somebody should place it in a blog post, so our calc group members can evaluate it.
 
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Elizio33 said:
True, but the robots didn't hit each other with star-busting attacks.
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If their normal attacks aren't star-busting, why would they be High 4-C overall and not just High 4-C with specific attacks? Where's the implication that, if they are High 4-C, they only do so with a level of power above their normal power? If destroying Spherus Magna is High 4-C, the robots are High 4-C overall; it's not at all unbelievable for a very large chunk of a planet smashing into one of their heads at speeds great enough to produce such a level of force, especially when it was propelled by one of their attacks.

If doing whatever with Spherus Magna, destroying it or recreating it or blah blah blah, is High 4-C, the Great Spirit Robot is High 4-C overall. If that is an outlier for durability, it is an outlier for their AP as well.
 
Promestein said:
If their normal attacks aren't star-busting, why would they be High 4-C overall and not just High 4-C with specific attacks? Where's the implication that, if they are High 4-C, they only do so with a level of power above their normal power? If destroying Spherus Magna is High 4-C, the robots are High 4-C overall; it's not at all unbelievable for a very large chunk of a planet smashing into one of their heads at speeds great enough to produce such a level of force, especially when it was propelled by one of their attacks.

If doing whatever with Spherus Magna, destroying it or recreating it or blah blah blah, is High 4-C, the Great Spirit Robot is High 4-C overall. If that is an outlier for durability, it is an outlier for their AP as well.
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Okay. Anyway, I just re-read some Bionicle stories and GSR Teridax claims that he and Mata Nui could survive the destruction of Spherus Magna that could have been caused by his gravity attack. So if destroying/recreating Spherus Magna is High 4-C, that's fine then.
 
I don't understand. Why would it bump up a lot of characters just for moving around in such gravity when the writer quote in the OP explicitly says that he ignored such kind of logic?
 
Can somebody link to any relevant calculation blogs here, so I can ask some calc group members to evaluate them please?
 
Promestein said:
Just have the calc checked.
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Yeah, I have, but the WOG says that since Bionicle is a fantasy world, it does not take the gravity such a planet wouls have into account.

"Keep in mind that the gravity on Krypton was much greater than that of Earth, but its people were not crushed by it. Why? Same reason it didn't happen here, because it's a fantasy universe that does not have to follow the rules of our reality."

If anything, he is implying some characrers would be crushed by the gravity if the story took such a level of gravity into account.
 
Primestar3 said:
Yeah, I have, but the WOG says that since Bionicle is a fantasy world, it does not take the gravity such a planet wouls have into account.

"Keep in mind that the gravity on Krypton was much greater than that of Earth, but its people were not crushed by it. Why? Same reason it didn't happen here, because it's a fantasy universe that does not have to follow the rules of our reality."

If anything, he is implying some characrers would be crushed by the gravity if the story took such a level of gravity into account.
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We can apply this for the Great Spirit Robot and the Prototype Robot only as they can destroy and recreate Spherus Magna and destroy suns according to Greg Farshtey.
 
Elizio33 said:
We can apply this for the Great Spirit Robot and the Prototype Robot only as they can destroy and recreate Spherus Magna and destroy suns according to Greg Farshtey.
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IDK much about those, so you could be right.

I was just adressing this part of the OP:
This would also bump up a lot ot characters thanks to such a high gravity and them being able to freely mpve around it.
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Primestar3 said:
IDK much about those, so you could be right.

I was just adressing this part of the OP:
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Basically, they are the strongest Bionicle characters, although to my opinion, the strongest is the Golden Skinned Being but this isn't the thread for that.
 
I do not know, but if you link to the blogs here, I can check afterwards.
 
I thought that you wanted some calculations accepted for use. That can only be done if they are placed in blogs first.
 
Also, please tell us here when you are done.
 
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