Phoenix force (Fox) revisions.

[BunBun]

As we know, the Phoenix Force is 5-A, up to 3-A via creation hax.

But I believe it should be rated at least 4-A, likely far higher. This is because, while the Phoenix Force may not have directly created the universe, it has been shown only to give life to all the stars that host life-bearing planets.

it's also described as the greatest force in the galaxy capable of easily destroying planets and everything it encounters. All of this should make a 4-A rating seems more appropriate than 3-A, as there are no feats supporting the Phoenix Force to be the creator of the entire universe. Its power is more about giving life to planets.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

I completely agree about the mostpowerfull being in the galaxy, giving life to the universe seems to be going too far. The phoenix force would probably rather destroy existing planets and create new ones than create the entire universe at once. So being The most powerful being in the galaxy makes the most sense

 

[Hixkaryana]

Simon Kinberg stated that the Phoenix Force was "intergalactic" and that "a mutant [Jean] was imbued by the greatest force in the whole world [Universe]". In another interview, he confirms this by saying "Jean’s journey over the span of the Dark Phoenix movie is one where she becomes the most powerful creature in the entire universe".
I don't think there's any reason to underestimate Vuk's statement here. I disagree.

 

[BunBun]

I completely agree about the mostpowerfull being in the galaxy, giving life to the universe seems to be going too far. The phoenix force would probably rather destroy existing planets and create new ones than create the entire universe at once. So being The most powerful being in the galaxy makes the most sense

Thank you!

 

[RoTt35]

Disagree due to @Hixkaryana's reasons. I don't see how a statement from an advanced alien race that has observed and studied the Phoenix Force across the universe for years wouldn't be reliable

 

[BunBun]

Disagree due to @Hixkaryana's reasons. I don't see how a statement from an advanced alien race that has observed and studied the Phoenix Force across the universe for years wouldn't be reliable

Oh great! The Phoenix Force is indeed a highly powerful entity, it would likely be at least 3-C rather than 4-C, given that it is primarily shown as intergalactic in nature, capable of creating and destroying planets, but not necessarily the entire universe. Jean Grey, when bonded with the Phoenix Force, becomes the most powerful but is still not on a 3-A. In the Fox X-Men cinematic universe, no other being displays the same level of planetary-scale destruction, which is why the Phoenix Force being the most powerful isn't surprising. However, it is important to note that while the Phoenix Force has the power to create and destroy planets, this doesn't equate to the level of creation required to be 3-A, as it only demonstrates the power to give life to random planets.

 

[BunBun]

Disagree due to @Hixkaryana's reasons. I don't see how a statement from an advanced alien race that has observed and studied the Phoenix Force across the universe for years wouldn't be reliable

But on the Phoenix's profile, the statements used are from this alien race.

 

[Hixkaryana]

But on the Phoenix's profile, the statements used are from this alien race.

That’s why they should be maintained.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Oh great! The Phoenix Force is indeed a highly powerful entity, it would likely be at least 3-C rather than 4-C, given that it is primarily shown as intergalactic in nature, capable of creating and destroying planets, but not necessarily the entire universe. Jean Grey, when bonded with the Phoenix Force, becomes the most powerful but is still not on a 3-A. In the Fox X-Men cinematic universe, no other being displays the same level of planetary-scale destruction, which is why the Phoenix Force being the most powerful isn't surprising. However, it is important to note that while the Phoenix Force has the power to create and destroy planets, this doesn't equate to the level of creation required to be 3-A, as it only demonstrates the power to give life to random planets.

It’s capable of creating planets intergalactically, this combined with Vuk’s statement of giving birth to the Universe likely means that the Phoenix Force’s power expands on the infinite number of galaxies that make up the Universe. So the PF is at the very least 3-B, and very likely to stay 3-A.