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Nuruko vs Yüki Terumi
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What's stopping Terumi from time killer+Ouroboros oneshotting here?
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I assume that this ability is more than described on the profile, because destroying the time of an Immeasurable Abstract Nonexistent Acausal being that existed before time itself and resists EE is bound to have difficulties working if it's just baseline.
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Immeasurables and Abstracts and Nonexistent Acausal things are nothing new to Terumi.
And Time Killer is beyond baseline EE considering that move erased him despite him being unfazed by the Boundary's EE or even Phenomena Intervention from Amaterasu or Takamagahara, which includes EE and a lot, LOT more powers.
And Time Killer is beyond baseline EE considering that move erased him despite him being unfazed by the Boundary's EE or even Phenomena Intervention from Amaterasu or Takamagahara, which includes EE and a lot, LOT more powers.
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Stuff that should probably be noted on his profile honestly. He has like twenty abilities without explanations.
Regardless, I can see three possible ways for Nuruko to win:
-Passive void manip (that ignores basic resistance) that erases the entire universe quickly. While that won't kill him, it might incap him if he's unable to get away if he's being constantly erased (Not sure how conscious he is when dead in this case)
-Passive Apoptosization, transforming him into an Apoptosis if he survives the EE.
-Active void manip, which can nullify Type 2 Abstract Existence, Type 8 immortality, Mid-Godly regen (considering that Yuki is 3-D, his High-Godly won't really count as high-godly against 4-D hax) and resistance (It even ignores resistance to her passive void manip)
Regardless, I can see three possible ways for Nuruko to win:
-Passive void manip (that ignores basic resistance) that erases the entire universe quickly. While that won't kill him, it might incap him if he's unable to get away if he's being constantly erased (Not sure how conscious he is when dead in this case)
-Passive Apoptosization, transforming him into an Apoptosis if he survives the EE.
-Active void manip, which can nullify Type 2 Abstract Existence, Type 8 immortality, Mid-Godly regen (considering that Yuki is 3-D, his High-Godly won't really count as high-godly against 4-D hax) and resistance (It even ignores resistance to her passive void manip)
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those 20 abilities are from PI, which is basically a swiss army knife of hax.
His void hax resistance is beyond baseline 2-A considering he has Noel, who can tank Doomsday, which is an infinite multiversal erasure.
He resists transmutation as well on a 2-A level so that won't work on him.
He's a type 1 Abstract, and has numerous type 8 immortalities, based on people hating/fearing him, Self Observation, and his numerous life links with Noel due to her being linked with Death itself, and God itself and likely Embryo itself. It's 4-D high godly since he came back from 2-A destruction.
He can do stuff even if he's nonexistant given how he's just a nonexistent ghost when he's not observing himself and can reactively evolve through resistances and hax on a massive 2-A level.
His void hax resistance is beyond baseline 2-A considering he has Noel, who can tank Doomsday, which is an infinite multiversal erasure.
He resists transmutation as well on a 2-A level so that won't work on him.
He's a type 1 Abstract, and has numerous type 8 immortalities, based on people hating/fearing him, Self Observation, and his numerous life links with Noel due to her being linked with Death itself, and God itself and likely Embryo itself. It's 4-D high godly since he came back from 2-A destruction.
He can do stuff even if he's nonexistant given how he's just a nonexistent ghost when he's not observing himself and can reactively evolve through resistances and hax on a massive 2-A level.
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Doesn't mean it shouldn't be noted.
That protects him from her passive, but not active EE, as it overpowered such resistance.
Coming back from 2-A destruction is still just Mid-Godly for 4-D beings. In a 4-D fght, he'd need to come back from 5-D destruction to have it. So for the purpose of this fight, it's no better than other Mid-Godlys and gets overpowered.
So in short, passive doesn't kill, apoptosis doesn't work (never worked on abstracts anyway) but still vulnerable to active erasure. Now it depends on what scope his Abstract Existence is. If it's on a universal scale, then Nuruko probably just erases from the start, in which case it depends on what Terumi does first. If it's on a multiversal+ scale, then it might take more time for Nuruko to figure it out, in which case it still depends on what Terumi does first.
That protects him from her passive, but not active EE, as it overpowered such resistance.
Coming back from 2-A destruction is still just Mid-Godly for 4-D beings. In a 4-D fght, he'd need to come back from 5-D destruction to have it. So for the purpose of this fight, it's no better than other Mid-Godlys and gets overpowered.
So in short, passive doesn't kill, apoptosis doesn't work (never worked on abstracts anyway) but still vulnerable to active erasure. Now it depends on what scope his Abstract Existence is. If it's on a universal scale, then Nuruko probably just erases from the start, in which case it depends on what Terumi does first. If it's on a multiversal+ scale, then it might take more time for Nuruko to figure it out, in which case it still depends on what Terumi does first.
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What stops Terumi from PI'ing her out of existence?
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The fact that it's a regular attack that can apparently be dodged and that as a result he can be killed before it lands.
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He's life linked to Noel, and his existence is deeply engraved into the world. I don't think it'll kill him. With his Reactive Evolution, I doubt he'll be down for long.
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PI is not a normal attack tho. That's like a thought based move at bare minimum and passive when used by the god tiers in BB.
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Yeah, voting Terumi via PI + Reactive Evolution + Ouroboros.
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Noel's resistance is far greater than other character's resistance. Doomsday bypassed basically everyone's resistance to 2-A erasure from the Boundary, and I can make the argument that it's infinitely above baseline 2-A given how it screwed with everyone that's not the successor to the azure, which practically all of them are able to resist the Boundary's erasure on a 2-A level.
But.... that's not really how you get High godly regen. You get it when the totality of your existence including the dimensional level you reside in is erased and you come back from it. him having survived 2-A erasure still gives him High godly on a 4-D scale since he came back from this thing destroying all of reality.
As for the abstract, it's connected to the god of Blazblue, which is 2-A in its nature. Not only that but that abstract can withstand very potent EE.
Terumi has precognition on the level of seeing infinite realities that allowed him to outsmart a Nigh omniscient god by finding the ONE in infinite possibilities that they wouldn't notice him. And yes he does use it in character, so right off the bat he'd know what she's gonna do.
But.... that's not really how you get High godly regen. You get it when the totality of your existence including the dimensional level you reside in is erased and you come back from it. him having survived 2-A erasure still gives him High godly on a 4-D scale since he came back from this thing destroying all of reality.
As for the abstract, it's connected to the god of Blazblue, which is 2-A in its nature. Not only that but that abstract can withstand very potent EE.
Terumi has precognition on the level of seeing infinite realities that allowed him to outsmart a Nigh omniscient god by finding the ONE in infinite possibilities that they wouldn't notice him. And yes he does use it in character, so right off the bat he'd know what she's gonna do.
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What is PI? I guess I somehow confused it with Time Killer, which ca be dodged.
How is the Boundary "2-A erasure" exactly? I somehow doubt that two different events resulted in the destruction of the multiverse. Also I'm not sure if resistance against erasure for his physical form would help much when in his Abstract form.
A 3-D being doesn't get High-Godly from regenerating from all 3-D stuff being destroyed, but from the 4-D world they are in being destroyed. Having everything around you be destroyed doesn't give you more regen than just being entirely destroyed you alone. What matters is the entire space-time of the universe you're in being destroyed, leaving you nothng to come back from.
I don't really get it. Is Yuki himself an abstract over the multiverse or is he just connected to an abstract?
How is the Boundary "2-A erasure" exactly? I somehow doubt that two different events resulted in the destruction of the multiverse. Also I'm not sure if resistance against erasure for his physical form would help much when in his Abstract form.
A 3-D being doesn't get High-Godly from regenerating from all 3-D stuff being destroyed, but from the 4-D world they are in being destroyed. Having everything around you be destroyed doesn't give you more regen than just being entirely destroyed you alone. What matters is the entire space-time of the universe you're in being destroyed, leaving you nothng to come back from.
I don't really get it. Is Yuki himself an abstract over the multiverse or is he just connected to an abstract?
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PI, or Phenomena Intervention, is a power that can do the following:
Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Time Manipulation, BFR, Information Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Quantum Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Precognition, Possession, Subjective Reality, Power Suppression, Spatial Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Duplication, Creation, Information Analysis, Illusion Creation, Power Mimicry, Telepathy and Body Puppetry
As for the whole **can be dodged** that's a non issue for Terumi since his precog will alert him on what's going to happen ahead of time to the point that he'll find the one point where he can Time Killer Nuruko to oblivion.
The Boundary is 2-A due to it essentially having the edge where it erased anything across a 2-A range given that the Boundary can connect to the infinite possibilities that exist in the Blazblue universe.
Ok, and Terumi came back from the entire BB multiverse being erased from reality. Which is beyond normal 3-D erasure.
He's fused with an abstract concept. Who's connected to the most powerful god in Blazblue.
Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Time Manipulation, BFR, Information Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Quantum Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Precognition, Possession, Subjective Reality, Power Suppression, Spatial Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Duplication, Creation, Information Analysis, Illusion Creation, Power Mimicry, Telepathy and Body Puppetry
As for the whole **can be dodged** that's a non issue for Terumi since his precog will alert him on what's going to happen ahead of time to the point that he'll find the one point where he can Time Killer Nuruko to oblivion.
The Boundary is 2-A due to it essentially having the edge where it erased anything across a 2-A range given that the Boundary can connect to the infinite possibilities that exist in the Blazblue universe.
Ok, and Terumi came back from the entire BB multiverse being erased from reality. Which is beyond normal 3-D erasure.
He's fused with an abstract concept. Who's connected to the most powerful god in Blazblue.
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Here's the draft for PI page we're going to make.
Just saying, if Nuruko wants to kill Terumi, she needs to get rid of every single strand of hatred in the world to him, this machine, this girl, concept of death, and the fact that he is Susano'o AND Terumi because his existence is too deep in the world to be killed. And to get rid of Noel, you need to get rid of Hazama and Hades Izanami, the former needs to be killed with Noel at the same time and the latter also having the shit of the former plus she is also has immortalities from concept of death, Amaterasu and the fact that she PI herself to negate the damage whenever she dies. Isn't this fun?
Just saying, if Nuruko wants to kill Terumi, she needs to get rid of every single strand of hatred in the world to him, this machine, this girl, concept of death, and the fact that he is Susano'o AND Terumi because his existence is too deep in the world to be killed. And to get rid of Noel, you need to get rid of Hazama and Hades Izanami, the former needs to be killed with Noel at the same time and the latter also having the shit of the former plus she is also has immortalities from concept of death, Amaterasu and the fact that she PI herself to negate the damage whenever she dies. Isn't this fun?
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Yeah, there's no way Nuruko even has a chance.
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Bump for Saikou-san!
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