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Naruto & Sasuke are both stronger than Madara

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Prime Naruto & Sasuke are on a whole different level from when they fought Madara. Prime Sasuke has chakra & power which rivals Hagoromo's, after absorbing a massive ammount of senjutsu Naruto has chakra roughly on par with Sasuke's.

Madara's strongest attack has a DC of roughly 30 exatons of tnt, Hagoromo's dc is moon level+ . Moon level+ starts at 4 zettatons of tnt, which is equal to 4000 exatons of tnt. Hagoromo is 133 times stronger than Madara so,

Hagoromo >>> Madara

Hagoromo >= Sasuke = Naruto >>> Madara

Naruto and Sasuke both fought on-par with Kaguya. Kaguya's chakra & power massively transcends Madara's as Sasuke said "This chakra is on a completely different level from Madara, for someone like this to exist..."To further back this up, Kakashi said "This is on a completely different level than anything we have encountered it's as if she were a god".

IE, Naruto & Sasuke both fought on par with Kaguya who is massively stronger than Madara, hence Naruto & Sasuke are both stronger than Madara.
 
I removed it, iv seen people saying Madara is stronger than Naruto and Sasuke which is dead wrong, so i thought people should see this.
 
madara was fighting the two of them almost evenly with 1 rinnegan and when he got the second rinnegan he was on another level it took both of them to destroy his chibaku tensei, i don't think naruto and sasuke are stronger than him even if kaguya is stronger than madara unless i miss something .
 
Naruto and Sasuke were winning against Madara during the first part of their fight, and then when Madara got his second Rinnegan they were fighting evenly. They were both destroying his meteors and Naruto's clones were matching his Limbo clones.
 
when madara got his second rinnegan he didn't even start to show his full power, he was just buying time to do the infinite tsukuyomi which he successful did.
 
@Valar Melkor 2

Lol, how was double rinnegan Madara fighting evenly with Naruto & Sasuke.

Litterally what happened was

- Madara got his second rinnegan

- Sakura charged at Madara

- Naruto & Sasuke easily saved Sakura

- Four of Naruto's clones easily dealt with the four limbo clones of Madara

- Madara flew into the air, which made it so Naruto & Sasuke could not engage him

- Naruto & Sasuke easily dealt with Madara's strongest attack, Chibaku Tensei

- The fight then abruptly ended

How is this an even fight for Madara?
 
Naruto and Madara's clones seemed to be fighting evenly but yeah I guess Naruto and Sasuke did easily deal with Chibaku Tensei, although it was just a distraction for Madara to set up the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Either way Naruto and Sasuke can definitely be powerscaled from Madara.
 
i won't say they deal with his Chibaku Tensei easily because sasuke said,"dam it there is no end to these" well atlease thats what he said in the anime and madara didn't fly to the air so naruto and sasuke could not engage him, he flew to do his Infinite Tsukuyomi.
 
"where did it state Hagoromo >>> Madara. Madara could probably be stronger'

Madara's strongest justu the Chibaku Tensei resulted in roughly 30 Exatons of TNT. Moon level starts at 20 Exatons. So Madara's CT is 10 Exatons above Moon level.

Hagoromo is listed as Moon level+ on his profile . Moon level+ starts at 4 Zettatons of TNT. 4 Zettatons is equal to 4000 Exatons. So Hagoromo is 133 times stronger than Madara.

Madara is far, far weaker than Hagoromo.
 
SwordSlayer99 said:
"where did it state Hagoromo >>> Madara. Madara could probably be stronger'
Madara's strongest justu the Chibaku Tensei resulted in roughly 30 Exatons of TNT. Moon level starts at 20 Exatons. So Madara's CT is 10 Exatons above Moon level.

Hagoromo is listed as Moon level+ on his profile . Moon level+ starts at 4 Zettatons of TNT. 4 Zettatons is equal to 4000 Exatons. So Hagoromo is 133 times stronger than Madara.

Madara is far, far weaker than Hagoromo.
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thanks for the explaination
 
Madara was a team effort and they never actually beat him once he got both his Rinnegan. Also Madara lost most of his goudama thanks to Minato so there's that.

Also Hagoromo is still much stronger than both Naruto/Sasuke combined let alone individually.
 
Kurama was referring to Sasuke's chakra control in that scan by using his Susanoo as a vessel. Sasuke doesn't have that level of power on his own which is why he used the biju: http://www.**********.com/naruto/696/8. Furthermore Madara had the exact same power plus the Shinju.

Also Madara has both of their abilities which is closer to Hagoromo who is stronger than Naruto&Sasuke combined. Plus Hagoromo had access to a complete Juubi so he would still be beyond both of them.
 
... never use a ********** translation to back yourself up, the *********** translation is always a superior translation. In the *********** translation it has nothing to do with Sasukes "chakra control". Also Madara does not have Six Paths Yin & Yang chakra, those are Hagoromo's powers which he passed on to Naruto & Sasuke. Further proof of this is that Madara never used Six Paths Sage Mode, which is what Six Paths Yang Chakra grants you.

Regardless, Madara's strongest attack, Chibaku Tensei has a DC of roughly 30 exatons of tnt. Hagoromo has moon level+ DC. Moon level+ starts at 4 zettatons of tnt or 4000 exatons of tnt. Hagoromo is 133 times stronger than Madara.
 
Madara had that exact same power plus the Shinju. Also Sasuke used the chakra extracted from the biju to get that power which is what's stated in the scan and shown here http://i.imgur.com/DIYoeHT.png?1: something that Sasuke doesn't have access to on his own. The seals are Hagoromo's however the power of the Six Path Sage was seen with Obito, Madara, and Naruto. Also ********** is closer to the Viz media translations so I go with those.

Hagoromo would be more powerful than Naruto/Sasuke combined as well considering its his power that they have. Not only that but he had access to the complete set of biju which is something Madara was far closer to since he had access to the Mazo, all of the biju save for 1/2 of Kurama, and two Rinnegan.
 
Hagoromo's only combat feat is defeating Kaguya with his brother. We already know Hagoromo is more powerful that Madara and considering he gave Naruto/Sasuke half of his respective power at best they would be equal to Hagoromo with their combined power not individually. Also the Yin/Yang seals doesn't grant them their respective powers as they still maintain both after loosing them. Hagoromo also stated that he was approaching Kaguya's power here :http://i.imgur.com/WygrZGr.png
 
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