My Little Pony: Upgrades are Magic - Part 3

[Lightbuster30]

These revisions are twofold, not only do I discuss speed revisions for the top tiers, but I also plan on adding some new abilities, mostly from Legends of Magic.

The first thing is speed. I wanted to do a calculation for the Alternate Pony of Shadow's consuming all light in his world. I believe we may have grounds to believe he went around and destroyed every Star in his world. He intended to turn every reality empty and corrupted (implying he destroyed the things within it). He explicitly brings up outright Destruction and was mentioned by Starswirl to have already destroyed the light of his world. Since Starswirl is talking about parallel Universes in the first scan I posted, he must be talking about the Stars. What else in the Universe could possibly be producing light beyond Stars? This is also consistent with him threatening to "extinguish the light" of his world within the cartoon and we see in the cartoon that he was actively affecting the stars as seen here (Skip to 1:54).

Star Swirl & the Pillars imprison the Pony of Shadows-2

Now while it's true he was absorbing the light of the stars instead of outright blasting them, he brings up in the comic active destruction and threatened to turn other realities empty. Absorbing the light of a Star isn't going to really destroy it, and emptying the Universe of every Star definitely isn't going to involve basic light absorption. And whats more: He intends for Celestia and Luna to destroy alongside him, who notably don't have light absorption powers, and he praises them for their ability to destroy, not absorb light sources. I think outright destruction is a very huge possibility here.

The next issue is timeframes. Darkanine suggested a 3 year timeframe since Alternate Stygian operated when Celestia and Luna were in their teenaged years, but we can find alternative timeframes if needed.

The reason I'm bringing this up instead of making a calculation blog is because of how complicated the calculation is and I wanted to know if my method for calcing this would be acceptable and if not, adjust it and try to discuss it.

The last part is a couple ability editions for the ponies.

Portal Creation for Luna (and possibly Celestia in her later years). Definitely for Starlight Glimmer and Twilight (The former opened portals to the Moon and Discord's realm in the chapter books, and Twilight should be able to do the same)

Resistance to Probability Manipulation for Starlight when casting wards (In that same book, she cast a spell to shield against a bad luck spell. Said spell works by finding the worst possible event and making it happen)

Extrasensory Perception for Starswirl (Not only is he able to track the magic signatures of the Sisters and his team, but he was able to tell that they were in combat despite being far away from them.)

Resistance to Purification for the Pony of Shadows (Mistmane was unable to purify creatures influenced by his magic)

Also, Corruption for the Pony of Shadows for attempting to corrupt Celestia and Luna into Daybreaker and Nightmare Moo.

Multiversal+ Range for anyone able to cast the Dimensional Doorway spell (There are an infinite number of universes and the spell can open portals to them)

Interstellar Range + Multi-Stellar Lifting Strength for Celestia and anyone who scales to her via this Tweet from Lauren Faust:

https://twitter.com/Fyre_flye/status/1220940739795795968?s=19

I'd also like to remove the "slight" from Pinkie Pie's precognition and another bit, specifically, the bolded bit: "(Pinkie Sense allows her to predict unexpected moments that will happen soon after, but only specific things and after specific body movements such as her tail twitching)". The thing is: She was able to dodge and maneuver falling rubble of a collapsing building with her Pinkie Sense. To use her Pinkie Sense in such rapid succession and to save peoples lives while moving about through rubble is very useful. Absolutely useful enough to be applied in combat.

https://streamable.com/qj9x8

Also, I'd like to make her gag teleportation combat applicable as she used it to dodge blasts from Chrysalis the whole time, even when she was seemingly hit already.

https://streamable.com/rtds4

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Wouldn't making the universes "empty" imply far more than merely stars though ?

 

[Js250476]

Well afaik stars are the main source of light in the universe right? So logically they'd have to all be ravaged and gone for no light to exist

 

[CinnabarManx421]

How exactly does this apply to speed is my question, the ability additions look fine to me though.

 

[Lightbuster30]

How exactly does this apply to speed is my question, the ability additions look fine to me though.

Well obviously either him or his magic would have to travel to the stars to destroy them.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Bump.

 

[Js250476]

Hoof Bump.

 

[Js250476]

Bump

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks okay from a glance.

 

[Antvasima]

The new abilities seem fine, but I strongly doubt that he would go around the universe extinguishing stars one-by-one, rather than using a pure magic range feat to extinguish them all at once. The interpretation that he did extinguish them in the first place is also based on speculation, rather than something that we were shown outright.

 

[Lightbuster30]

The theoretical calculation actually assumes he's extinguishing at least as many stars at once as can be seen by the naked eye (2000 according to google) instead of one by one. Also, he couldn't have extinguished them all in one go, otherwise the planet he's currently on would be gone.

He praises the sisters for their capacity to cause destruction and there're multiple statements that he made his universe empty; at least of all light, which he equates to destruction. It's not really speculation when the narrative is strongly implying it.

This is no more speculation than all the verses we allow for light speed lasers as long as they are described as light and don't have anti-light feats, even though light speed isn't outright claimed. Actually, this is even less speculatory than that imo.

 

[Antvasima]

It is very speculatory to assume anything other than that he used his full power and range to full capacity/efficiency. That particular guesswork part of this revision is extremely unreliable, and is not going to be accepted. My apologies.

 

[Lightbuster30]

It is very speculatory to assume anything other than that he used his full power and range to full capacity/efficiency. That particular guesswork part of this revision is extremely unreliable, and is not going to be accepted. My apologies.

It still isn't speculation because; yet again, that would mean the planet he is currently on would be caught in the blast radius and destroyed along with the stars.

 

[Antvasima]

Not really. He is a reality-warping magical entity, not a blunt force Dragon Ball character.

 

[Lightbuster30]

He explicitly brings up destruction and destroying and whatever reality warping he has is incredibly vague and undefined. He's obviously talking about destruction in the traditional sense. Why would we default to whatever vague reality warping he might have over what he practically tells us to our faces?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

It isn't guesswork if we are literally told he is going to destroy them. Whether it be through reality warping generally doesn't matter because usually reality warping translates to AP for most combatants, and shouldn't deduce from the feat's value. It is told he eventually makes an Universe empty by means of destruction, and we see how he does it both in comic and in show as destroying stars over a set period of time.

 

[Antvasima]

It is always guesswork to derive speed from destructive feats, unless it has been explicitly clarified that travel was involved.

You should ask several other administrators and discussion moderators to comment here.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Bump, but updated OP with some new additions. I'll try talking to some calc members about the speed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Okay.

While I'm at it, what are your thoughts on the extra additions (Pinkie Pie and Interstellar Range + Lifting Strength)?

 

[Antvasima]

I have my Twitter blocked to not get distracted from work. What does the tweet say?

The Pinkie Pie additions seem fine.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

It basically says that Celestia moved the stars to free Nightmare Moon which would mean she can move multiple stars and reach them when they are much farther than the sun.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine then.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Okay. That seems fine then.

To give you a more exact version:

"Watch the episode again ---- the stars aligned in a perfect pattern that allowed her escape. And who controls the sun and the moon and the stars...? "

Copy-pasted directly from the tweet.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems straightforward enough. The question is if we can use a tweet as evidence.

 

[Lightbuster30]

That seems straightforward enough. The question is if we can use a tweet as evidence.

If it makes sense within the context of the series it should be perfectly fine. We use tweets all the time as long as they are sensible. Lauren is basically saying Celestia freed Luna by deliberately moving the Stars in the position they were because she herself has control over the Stars..

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, I understood that, but don't know if our Editing Rules and Discussion Rules allow it.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Yes, I understood that, but don't know if our Editing Rules and Discussion Rules allow it.

It says we don't use statements that are phrased in uncertainty like "maybe" or "possibly". Lauren is being pretty straightforward here.
In addition, based on what I'm reading of the rules, we do allow WoG via social media. It's just considered more reliable to use interviews. However, we don't automatically outright ban all statemnts from social media. We just treat them with more scrutiny.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Then it is probably fine.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

So... should we get to applying this then?

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose so.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Okay then, how does one even begin to try to calc something like this ?

 

[CinnabarManx421]

I was referring to the PP stuff and the tweet. Lightbuster did a calc for it but idk if it's been evaluated yet.

 

[Lightbuster30]

So excluding speed (Have a full plate for the next few months so even trying to find a proper way to calc this is too time consuming), is everything else fine to add?

 

[Antvasima]

What I accepted earlier can probably be applied.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Forgot to ask, but would The Piny of Shadows absorbing light from the Stars qualify for light manipulation, absorption, or both?

 

[Antvasima]

Just absorption, I think.