More Warcraft upgrades and revisions.

[Man_from_Shadow]

Since we already had so many upgrades,we could have some more.I will post links if asked,but that isn't most important currently.

-In War of the Ancients,it was said Nozdormu holded and fought time of entire existence and it was said he holded "everything,absolutly everything".This would make Nozdormu atleast 4-D.This would scale to Archimonde and his tier(Deathwing,Dragon Soul and Kil'Jaeden).

This would also scale to Sargeras since 3-D being(Mannoroth) could open a portal for 4-D(Archimonde) and Archimonde couldn't for Sargeras.

Also,Nozdormu said Old Gods(who were sealed at the time) are as much above him as he is above slug.

So,my idea is:

Archimonde,Kil'Jaeden and Deathwing=Universal+(or Multiversal if we go by these Multiversal Warcraft interviews)

Thrall,Grom(scaling from Cenarius),Illidan and Arthas=abillity to affect higher dimensional beings

Sargeras=Atleast high Multiversal(5-D)

-Lot of Warcraft characters can manipulate real lightning and Malfurion has reacted to lightning bolt from Xavius.Also,in fight against Garrosh,Thrall didn't use lightning until Garrosh was restricted.

My idea:

Grom,Thrall,Deathwing,Illidan and Arthas at MHS or MHS+.

It should also scale to Archimonde and Kil'jaeden since Malorne was faster than Cenarius who said to be as fast as any of Elf trio(Tyrande,Malfurion and Illidan) and Archimonde went toe to toe with Malorne.

-Add time manipulation resistance to everyone on Archimonde's level and above since Nozdormu can't affect them(who can fly through time just like I would through river and has reversed time and sent people through diffrent points in time.Even regular Bronze Dragons could reverse it for little.

-When Sargeras attempted to enter portal that was crushing,portal was destroyed amd Sargeras ended in literal nothingness and it was said:"he ceased to be".

He is still going,meaning he regenerated from ceasing to be.

Also,I asked writer what happened to Xavius when he got in Sargeras's hands and he said Sargeras took his essence,so that is hax feat.


-Jaina Proudmoore should be atleast comparable to Thrall.She has been implied several times to be at same league.

-In Reign of Chaos intro,orc and human reacted to Infernal that was few meters in front of them(will post calc if needed) and those Infernals are actually meteors making them mach 32 IIRC.

Even ignoring that,they come from above clouds to land in moments.

Idea:


Jaina,Gul'dan and anyone of that level supersonic to hypersonic.


That's it for now,some may be wrong,but there is definatly some upgrades here.

 

[Aparajita]

I... need some time to digest this and go over them. Will post later.

 

[Man_from_Shadow]

I... need some time to digest this and go over them. Will post later.

What do you mean?

 

[Aparajita]

What do you mean?

Can you give me quotes for Nozodormu first off, i don't remember reading that in the books. If you could link page numbers, that would be fantastic.

That's Only 2-C.

Nothing in Warcraft, AFAWK is multi-dimensional. Infinite Timelines? Absolutely. Multiverse? Absolutely.

However, nothing in Warcraft is higher than that scale. The Void Lords and Avo (Aka the Great Darkness and the Holy Light respectively), which are the most powerful things in Warcraft, might only be High 2-A for being infinitely more powerful than Sargeras, who is 2-A for beating Aman'thul, who created the infinite timelines of the multiverse.

I could agree to some of the speed, but we need calculatuons for that.

For Thrall vs Garrosh, do you mean in Draenor? Because that's not calculable. If you mean during Wrath or Cata, i haven't seen those fights, so i will have to check and will edit post when i do.

The Calculation for the Infernal Rain would be fantastic, as i haven't seen that. The lightning Xavius conjured was magical, and thus can't be used for lightning timing.

I believe i have covered every point in this thread.

 

[Man_from_Shadow]

Nozdormu?You mean him holding whole existence?If yes,is imgur ok?

What is 2 C?Nozdormu?That would be upgrade from 5 B to 2 C for Archimonde and Kil'jaeden.

Multi dimensional as in space or character?

"Only 2 A".You say as that is bad.Anyway,Sargeras should be atleast 5-D from portal thingy and Nozdormu statement.

Not in Draenor.I think it is Cata.They fought and Thrall didn't use OHKO lightning until he restrained Garrosh with earth so that Garrosh can't move.

By taking as mach 32 as base?If yes,result is 1/3 of milisecond and I will post it if you meant that.Yes,but wizards,magicians etc. use elements to use their power,doesn't it mean lightning would be natural?

So,you agree with rest?

 

[Aparajita]

I... actually don't agree with most of it. I'd like to see the quote for Nozdormu, which will be justification for his tier upgrade, although i don't think he should be able to use it as destructive capacity.

He's able to interact and affect the timelines. Unlike Moruzond (his evil form), who can literally destroy the timelines.

As i said before, nothing in Warcraft is upper dimensional at this point in time. Sargeras is 2-A, which is multiversal+, he casually stomped Aman'thul while weakened, and Aman'thul created infinite number of timelines throughout the multiverse.

Archimonde and Kil'jaeden haven't shown that level of power yet. Despite many sources stating that they're hugely superior to the aspects, their feats are just contridictory and i'm hesitant to support the upgrade for them as such.

Multidimensional (5D and beyond). The most anyone has shown to be able to interact with is the fourth dimension (Time), which is why the God Tiers are 2-A (I would know, i created the thread and the justifications for the upgrade.)

The Speed calculation, yes, please post it in a User Blog and allow us to look at it, post a link here when you do so.

I'll give an idea of how lightning timing feats work. If i create a lightning bolt and throw it from my hand, that's magical lightning, and cannot be used. If i use my magic to make a storm cloud that produces natural lightning, then that is acceptable, despite the cloud itself being magical.

Sargeras should have Absorption, i can agree to that.

 

[Man_from_Shadow]

http://m.imgur.com/a/3RxhJ

Why not?

He is able to hold them together and prevent them from being destroyed.Moruzond is literally same version of character.

Aren't you upper dimensional by being 4-D(Universal+)?

How are they contradictory?Only thing that could contradict it is 3-D beings affecting Archimonde,but that is irrelevant since those characters can draw powers from even higher sources of energy(WoE for example)


Yes,I know,but if Nozdormu is 4-D and he said diffrence between him and Old God is same as between him and 3-D,that means Old Gods are 5-D.

I will tomorrow when I do it correctly,but here is roughly done one

https://plus.google.com/111158530061726800546/posts/AqJc7JgocoT


Never mind,I just checked,Xavius isn't druid.It isn't cloud to ground.

 

[Man_from_Shadow]

Oh,since you have this much knoweldge on Warcraft,where did Sargeras fight Aman'Thul(name of novel or game)?

 

[Aparajita]

World of Warcraft: Chronicales. Will quote.

Agrammar sensed there was still a noble soul beneath Sargeras' madness, and walked up to him, unarmed, pleading for Sargeras to listen to reason. He said they had found a new world soul, of a titan named Azeroth, who would one day be strong enough to destroy the Void Lords. Sargeras used his sword to slice Agrammar in half vertically.The Pantheon was outraged over the murder of fellow titan, and fought a massive war with Sargeras.



His fel magic was too powerful and Sargeras killed them all with a massive storm of fel fire.

 

[Man_from_Shadow]

Are Void Lords Great Darkness and Holy Light?

So,that is novel?

 

[Aparajita]

Void Lords are the Great Darkness, while the Holy Light is what created everything as far as we know. It's a "God and Satan" relationship trope that's pretty common in fiction. It's a novel, yes.

Also, please create a blog. Click on your profile, go to "Blog" and copy/paste the stuff from Google+ for the calculation feat, so others can view it and it can be accepted by the community. I and another member haven't found anything wrong with it, but it needs to be accepted.

 

[Man_from_Shadow]

Never mind,found pdf.

Will read them,seem interesting.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

Has the thing been accepted yet OP?

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

Also, the whole thing with sargeras being weaker than the old gods is now non-cannon. He was able to destroy a world FULL of old gods without even trying. lol.

 

[Volundox]

Also, the whole thing with sargeras being weaker than the old gods is now non-cannon. He was able to destroy a world FULL of old gods without even trying. lol.

Ive not been following the lore for a while so was there a retcon? Last i heard individual old gods were superior to individual titans,

 

[Aparajita]

Also, the whole thing with sargeras being weaker than the old gods is now non-cannon. He was able to destroy a world FULL of old gods without even trying. lol.

Ive not been following the lore for a while so was there a retcon? Last i heard individual old gods were superior to individual titans,

This.

 

[Volundox]

On a complete side note should the weakness 'Can be injured by legendary wepons' be added to Sargeras, since during the shattering Broxigar the red was able to strike a small wound on the leg of Sargeras using the Axe of Cenarius which he'd have never been able to otherwise do. Added to this the fact which all players recieve a new legendary wepon in the upcoming expansion suggests that this weakness may come into the forefront of his defeat. This would apply to his first key but im not sure about his second key.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

Also, the whole thing with sargeras being weaker than the old gods is now non-cannon. He was able to destroy a world FULL of old gods without even trying. lol.

Ive not been following the lore for a while so was there a retcon? Last i heard individual old gods were superior to individual titans,

Read cronicles, Then you shall see. That, or look up nobbel87s youtube channel and see his cronicle videos. Aman'thul picked up the strongest old god like a twig and crushed him like dust in the wind. Howeverm that created the WoE, hurting the titan inside. So, they imprisoned the old gods as another way to defeat them.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

On a complete side note should the weakness 'Can be injured by legendary wepons' be added to Sargeras, since during the shattering Broxigar the red was able to strike a small wound on the leg of Sargeras using the Axe of Cenarius which he'd have never been able to otherwise do. Added to this the fact which all players recieve a new legendary wepon in the upcoming expansion suggests that this weakness may come into the forefront of his defeat. This would apply to his first key but im not sure about his second key.

The artifacts are nothing towards sargeras at full might. And even in legion, our artifacts can only stand against guys like kil'jaeden or sargeras' avatar, but that's it. Also, broxigars axe was at full might when it struck sargeras, and all it did was give sargeras a 0.000000001 damage hit, and sargeras didn't even even look, flinch, or do shit. He just stood there, looked at the guy like "...really?", and stabbed his ass.

 

[Volundox]

^^ aight well apparently Chronicles changed some things cause its gone from Old Gods > Titans to Titans >>>>>>> Old Gods. Apparently Aman'thul plucks Y'Shaarj like a weed so i was definately mistaken and not upto date.

^ I understand that they would be in no way comparable to his full might but his first tab isn't his full might thats only his 3-B form. And i know it wasn't a major wound but striking a wound however minor on a 3-B being when at the very most according to profiles Brox was probably only 5-C with the axe (comparable to Grom at full power with the Axe) is still wounding a being which is billions of times stronger than a 5-C character. Other characters also focused magic on this wound to draw his attention from the portal allowing them to close it. Not much but its definately something.

 

[Aparajita]

The Axe of Broxigar was reinforced by Malorne and Elune herself. Malorne and Elune are literally the anthema of the Burning Legion. It's Hax why Broxigar was able to wound (even slightly) Sargeras.

 

[Volundox]

The Axe of Broxigar was reinforced by Malorne and Elune herself. Malorne and Elune are literally the anthema of the Burning Legion. It's Hax why Broxigar was able to wound (even slightly) Sargeras.

Ah thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Aparajita]

Elune, being speculated as the "missing Old God" should be on par with the leaders of the old gods, namely C'thun, Yogg'Saron, and N'zoth. Those three, the "named" Old Gods were too powerful for the titans to kill.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

No no no....I have cronicles. And it litterally states how Y'sharrj was the strongest old god, and how aman'thul easily ****** him up. The old gods were too powerful for only the keepers, not the titans themselves.

 

[ThePerpetual]

I'm... kind of confused, to be honest.

Could someone summarize what should be changed, and why?

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

Idk...I think none should be changed'. i see nothing wrong with the changes NOW! But...this list seems all sorts of wrong.

 

[Aparajita]

I don't support most of these, Perp, except for the ones about the speed upgrade. It was calculated at like Subsonic Standard orcs.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

I only support the speed thing as well. Everything else is just stupid.

 

[Man_from_Shadow]

Also, the whole thing with sargeras being weaker than the old gods is now non-cannon. He was able to destroy a world FULL of old gods without even trying. lol.

I know.

Really?When?

 

[Man_from_Shadow]

When was it said Elune had anything to with ax?

Also,how was any Old God too powerful to be killed by Titan?Titan easily killed Old God,but it damaged World Soul too much.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

When was it said Elune had anything to with ax?
Also,how was any Old God too powerful to be killed by Titan?Titan easily killed Old God,but it damaged World Soul too much.

This. Thank you for finally admitting this info. Really helps. Also, during the legion novel, illidan saw a vision as to how poweful the legion was and all that. In every universe that popped, the legion would attack and destroy. So, in a sense, they're multiverse destroyers. And in another vision from vandel in the illidan novel, he saw sargeras destroy countless worlds easily with his planet 1 moment at a time, he saw sargeras destroy everything in that part of the universe by himself, galaxies, planets, stars, systems. And in all seriousness, if he wanted to, he could destroy his legion (But he doesn't, since it is his only way of cleansing the ENTIRE cosmos easily).

So, if we could count the entire legion as a whole, they'd equal 2-A easily. And, if we're going to see sargeras in power, it'd be at 2-A

 

[Aparajita]

Snip

Citations please.

 

[Man_from_Shadow]

When was it said Elune had anything to with ax?
Also,how was any Old God too powerful to be killed by Titan?Titan easily killed Old God,but it damaged World Soul too much.

This. Thank you for finally admitting this info. Really helps. Also, during the legion novel, illidan saw a vision as to how poweful the legion was and all that. In every universe that popped, the legion would attack and destroy. So, in a sense, they're multiverse destroyers. And in another vision from vandel in the illidan novel, he saw sargeras destroy countless worlds easily with his planet 1 moment at a time, he saw sargeras destroy everything in that part of the universe by himself, galaxies, planets, stars, systems. And in all seriousness, if he wanted to, he could destroy his legion (But he doesn't, since it is his only way of cleansing the ENTIRE cosmos easily).
So, if we could count the entire legion as a whole, they'd equal 2-A easily. And, if we're going to see sargeras in power, it'd be at 2-A

Uhm...admiting what info?

I never claimed anything I didn't before.