Michael Myers (Rob Zombie Timeline) Downgrade

[09Kayson09]

I think Michael from Rob Zombie Timeline should be downgraded for ''9-C'', there are Michael's feats that place him as Wall Level, being: Ripping a door off its hinges, tackled Loomis through a wooden wall and Broke out of handcuffs with its sheer strength

If I'm right, Broke out of handcuffs wouldn't come close to being Wall Level, The second feat of tackling Loomis through a wooden wall could indeed be Wall Level. However, the house he passed through was in precarious condition and was made of wood. Also, I do not think Loomis would have survived a Wall Level hit. In Durability he is also at Wall Level, another thing I disagree with, Michael in this timeline is normally affected by 9-C weapons such as revolvers or pistols, the head shot scene could be a feat of Immortality (type 2 ).

Note: His Speed which is classified as Athletic Human and Class 5 Lifting Strength should remain the same since they are right.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Comiphorous]

If I'm right, Broke out of handcuffs wouldn't come close to being Wall Level

Correct.

The second feat of tackling Loomis through a wooden wall could indeed be Wall Level. However, the house he passed through was in precarious condition and was made of wood. Also, I do not think Loomis would have survived a Wall Level hit. In Durability he is also at Wall Level, another thing I disagree with

get it calced, that would work better than downgrading him without looking into it. He scales to 9-B in durability since his AP is 9-B, and needs to be able to handle the energy he outputs.

Michael in this timeline is normally affected by 9-C weapons such as revolvers or pistols, the head shot scene could be a feat of Immortality (type 2 ).

Guns have piercing damage, which would 100% harm Michael even with 9-B durability.

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

Correct.

get it calced, that would work better than downgrading him without looking into it. He scales to 9-B in durability since his AP is 9-B, and needs to be able to handle the energy he outputs.

Guns have piercing damage, which would 100% harm Michael even with 9-B durability.

The "wall level" feats presented in his profile are evidently nonsense. The "wall" he shattered down in the RZH were made of extremelly thin and propably old woods that literally collapsed from the weight of Laurie (a teen girl) in the same movie. Ripping a grate door off it's hinges has no calc of being wall level and this is a LS feat. The wooden barricade he shattered in RZH2 was also visibly low qualitt and old, with Loomis a normal human surviving it. In fact we have legit evidence of RZ Michale not being able to kool aids man his way through legit, non-shitty wooden structures, such as when in RZH2 he had a hard time to break a regular wooden house door that you could easily do the same with a sledgehammer. RZ Michael is very consistently a 9-C mild superhuman character both in dura and especially AP. He had to hit multiple times to crush someones skull, he needed to spent a near minute of effort to break down a wooden door into 2-3 pieces, baseball bats and other 9-C melee weapons to face stuns him, he had to use a shard of glass to slowly behead a man (if he was 9-B he could simply slap the mans head off of his face), he gets knocked out from a 5-6 meter fall (in all fairness he weighs several hundred lbs so if calculated it would propably result baseline 9-B or close, but it knocked him out for a long time), he had to strike multiple times to open two closed ambulance doors and etc.


Bullets propably wouldn't bounce off of someone in Michael's tier but they would do extremelly little damage to a point they would be irrelevant. Look at how materials like solid rock and steel ressist bullets with little damage. The fact that bullets entirely punch holes on him shows that he visibly isn't in 9-B range. If he was that durable he would treat bullets like his curse of thorn contiunity counterpart does

 

[Nami_Kami]

I agree with this.

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

Forgot to mention...



The Class 5 LS should be downgraded. flipping a car is a far cry from lifting one. Peak humans or 3-4 average human can absolutelly flip small cars and there are videos you can find about it (example). He should be class 1 based on him ripping someones throat, him snapping necks and him off screen carrying a tombstone that weighs half ton.



About the headshot, i think the bullet just grazed Michael, or at least retconned to graze him. In second movie we see Michael's mask and there was a huge hole on the cheek part of the said mask, implying that bullet didn't hit to his forehead

 

[AThe1412]

Agree for Hank's reasons.

 

[Employe]

The reasonig for downgrade seems to be correct

 

[09Kayson09]

Another Michael who will be downgraded to 9-C

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

Yes and both by me lol (well, ur the one who proposed RZ Michael downgrade but i bumped the thread)

 

[Hank_J._Wimbleton_69]

You should adress the LS thing too

 

[09Kayson09]

You should adress the LS thing too

okay

 

[Qawsedf234]

The Class 5 LS should be downgraded. flipping a car is a far cry from lifting one. Peak humans or 3-4 average human can absolutelly flip small cars and there are videos you can find about it (example). He should be class 1 based on him ripping someones throat, him snapping necks and him off screen carrying a tombstone that weighs half ton.

Well it should be easy to just like, do some math there

Michael lifting the car is working on a fulcrum method. In this case the fulcrum is the wheels on the opposite side, the load (the car) is the center and the force is lifting it up. So its a 2nd Class level, which you can find mechanical advantage is at the least a 1:1 ratio.

With all that said I think the advantage is a 2 or 3:1 ratio, so for every 1 pound of lift you generate, 2-3 pounds are lifted in the car. Additionally not the entire car needs to be lifted, since you have center of gravity to consider.

Anyways to get back on the point, with the above in mind, Michael would still need to generate like 600-700 kilograms of lift to move a car with a person in it to a position where gravity will then flip it over. But I don't think he would have to lift >75% of the cars weight to get Class 5. At least not in the position where he did it. You'd need to lift a car like this or this to get a class 5 rating afaik. So I agree that he should be Class 1, but the car lift is still a solid justification for that rating.