Note: I will be posting this before going to bed so I'll be able to reply bare minimum 10 hours if anyone responds to this
So before I go to bed, I've been rereading lookism recently for the 100 time (making notes on mastery, signature moves and such) and I was wondering if somebody could lay out the arguments for CQC being a multiplier to stats (I've read the CRT, I've also read Manager Kim and lookism)
I'll probably eventually reread both series and compile my thoughts (might even make a CRT tbh) since currently my reasoning will probably seem like an assumption so please do keep that in mind that I will eventually write out an indepth explanation of my thoughts with ciations,
With that out of the way, contrervisal opinion but I don't think CQC is a multiplier, or at least not a multiplier to base (to clarify the current view of CQC is that its a 3x to base, so if base is 1 CQC is 3, and if base increases to 2, CQC increases to 6, in my view intially unlocking CQC has an increase to base but eventually CQC just becomes your full base power)
I'll try to explain using an example from lookism, for eg signature moves get treated like special moves above the person's base (eg base Taesoo strenght punch < Ultimate fist taesoo and given the strenght differece, going from not being able to even hit your opponent to one shooting them you can kind of view it as a multiplier/massive linear increase similar to CQC) however they only get treated like special moves because the fighters can only use them as such, but the story multiple times states with signature moves that with training and proper endurance they can be used multiple times (both Taesoo and Jageyon state that they can't use ultimate fist/death kick at full power more than once per day, compare that to Pacheon or other top tiers who can spam their signature move, which if you think about it logically it makes sense, a signature move is just a normal move with mastery added to it, once you get strong enough you should be able to use it the same as a normal move or the same as normal mastery, with the eventual end goal being that the signature moves becomes like a normal move, think of the difference between Jake and Gap, Jake uses conviction like a special move, Gap uses conviction like a normal move)
The reason I bring this up is because the same difference is true for how CQC is portrayed in lookism compared to manager Kim, in lookism it gets used as a special move that amps the person's base (mainly Warren, but we have seen Johan can also amp himself with it)
However if you go over to manager Kim, for eg the fight against manager Nam, there CQC is treated less like a special move/technique similar to a signature move from lookism, but more like a conventional martial art that is constantly 'on' (not sure how to word this but its not something they activate) both Nam and Jincheol fight using CQC but neither of them need to take up a stance, I can probably find more examples of this
In manager Kim the unique CQC styles (like knife, sword, steel thread, gun) CQC are the ones that get treated the same way as CQC from looksim from what I have observed, war mode is something that Jincheol has to activate on his own but otherwise his base CQC seems to be constantly on, MK is the same way with his 3 unique CQC styles, though from lookism we can infer that he can chose not to use it
To further support this in HFW we saw Warren use partial CQC and he stated that preventing someone from using CQC by preventing them from getting into the right stance only works on beginners, implying that with sufficient skill an CQC practitioner can use CQC without needing a stance, which is what we see in Manager Kim, as I said I'll reread the whole series and try to compile as many examples as I can possibly find
To tldr my thoughts, I think at least for the military dad trio, their CQC is not a multiplier to base but rather their base full power, as we saw against manager Nam that Jincheol had his CQC constantly on (manager Nam stated Jincheol was also fighting using CQC and that his range was much larger)
We also see that when Warren first uses his unique CQC (CQC + Jeet kune do) against manager Kim and later against Jerry, his sleeves tear and his arms start bleeding, however by the time HFW takes place Warren can not only spam it with no recoil he can even use a partial version of it
We see something similar in MK where ares manager Nam using Jincheol's war mode is kind of in the middle, where its not quite a burst special move but its also not quite a normal move as by the time he defeats his opponent he passes out from the strain of using it
We also see in lookism that the stronger a person's base is the larger the CQC becomes and the more rings it gains, 2A Warren only had a single 3ft circle, 1A Warren post king hunt had 3 (and even 5 in one panel!) and HFW Warren can spam 4 circle unique CQC and seemingly even use 5 rings at will, which would be weird if CQC is meant to be a multiplier to base, because it also clearly reflects how powerful the person using it is (based on the range and number of rings)
There is a very clear progression that as the person's base power increases their CQC profiency (range of their CQC and how much they can use it as well as how easily they can use it indicated by the size and number of rings and the strain from using it) increases, especially now with partial CQC, I wouldn't be surpised if EOS Warren's final power up is going to be being able to use CQC nonstop with no stance similar to how Manager Kim does
As I said I'll eventually make a post with WAY more evidence, but from all the times I've read both lookism and manager Kim, I don't understand why we are treating CQC like a kaioken multiplier, Ik about the statments from MK but you can just as easily intepret it as a permanent ginormous increase to base rather than a constant multiplier (basically changing the stance gives a permanent increase to your base power across the board assuming you can master using it with no stance)
Especially since we already have a calc for S2 white knight Manager Kim and if we use the 3x logic that would mean base MK is slower than the Busan kings
Anyhow, I apologize if this ends up sounding stupid or is a bad/hot/controversial take QwQ
Good night(or ig good day lol) yall :3
. It was revealed afterwards, like Taiki’s CQC, or had an entire pep talk about War Mode like White Night.
