Kusuo Saiki Revisions…

[ShionAH]

Ability Additions

• Healing (He was able to heal Nendo's amnesia)
• Extrasensory Perception (Was able to see Nendo's Aura change)
• Mind Manipulation (Similar to his alternate version Saiki can mind control people to the point where humans wouldnt even notice the Saiki's erasing a entire city)
• Telepathy (1 Layer) and Reactive Evolution (Even though Saiki failed to read his alternate versions mind using telepathy he somehow overcame this resistance. Saiki can gain abilities from the "readers" who see him as fiction)
  • Saiki also stated that no attack or trick can work on him twice, this being supported by his alternate version, and with how he was able to come back from the Dream World where he cannot use any of his powers
• Instinctive Action (He instinctively moved out of the way from an incoming attack that was supposed to be hundreds time faster than him)
• Summoning (Can summon Nendo'd deceased father)
• Transmutation/Sealing (Was gonna fuse the other Saiki with the ground)
• Subjective Reality: (One of the reasons Saiki put on his limiters was his mind control, which reached a point where anything Saiki imagined would come into existence)
• Extreme Cold (Saiki has been in space many times and has not suffered any effects from radiation or cold)
• Curse and Probability Manipulation: (Saiki has the to make a curse that caused everything to always hit Kaido)
• Resistance, Limited Power Nullification (2 Layers)
• Power Nullification (3 Layers): (Even though Alternate was similar to our Kusuo, who resisted Kusuke's 2 limiters, which sought to eliminate his powers. Our Kusuo could cancel the telekinesis of his alternate version and prevent his alternate version from teleporting)
• For his ghost. Immortality (Type 1, 2, 3 and 7) (Similar to other versions of him, Saiki is able to return as a ghost even after death)
• Power Modification: Similar to his version of the popular world, which modified the appearance of his telepathy)
• Vector Manipulation: He removed the momentum of a meteorite, which he attracted, to avoid harming anyone

Stats

• Infinite Stamina (He stated that if he removed his limiters they would start to teleport and fight for eternity)
• Saiki should have 5-B durability since he took an attack from his alternate version even though his alternate version removed his own limiters

Metafictional Stuff

• Main Character
  • In the alternate universe Saiki Kusuo erased Nendo and did some actions that lead to his series being cancelled and forced him to go from being the protagonist to a side character
  • This caused Mikami to be the protagonist and give him some serious plot based powers...
    • The scenes will not end until Mikami enters them in a dramatic fashion
    • Everything Mikami says will always be the truth no matter what because he is the main character
    • Even when Mikami says something wrong eventually he will be in the position where he is "right"
  • Haganeno also has these main character powers since he was changing the literal plot and the classification of the novel itself into a hero novel
  • These abilities should be given to Saiki aswell since he is the main character
• Sight Energy
  • ‘Sight’ is an ability born out of a feeling of distress or uneasiness generated in this world’s supreme observers. In other words, it’s an energy transferred from the reader’s brain to the book the moment they get the feeling that something’s off. It’s energy that exists in a completely different dimension from superpowers.
    • Haganeno used the ‘sight’ energy to make the boundaries between universes hazy. And then put all of those worlds together once he had gathered enough energy.
      • The cosmology consist of infinite parallel universes with each having infinite probable future that branches off to different universes with each small decision made
    • He was planning on using this energy to completely change the series from "The Disastrous Life of Saiki Kusuo" to "My Hero Studies"
    • Haganeno was planning on taking over the novel and series using sight energy
  • Sight Energy is 5D. It comes from the "readers" mind
    • The "Readers" are always depicted as people who read and see the entire universe as a two dimensional paper, a manga, a novel, and as simple two dimensional text
• Psy Energy
  • Psy energy is the energy Saiki's have, they were able to fuse their powers because it is impossible for them to do it on their own even without limiters. They used this massive energy to create a distortion equal to one made by Sight Energy
• 5 Dimensional Hax
  • Saiki's all have Psy energy which is supposed to be the core of their powers
  • With enough energy Psy can make a distortion equal to one made by Sight Energy which would make it so Psy Energy at its peak can rival five dimensional power sources
  • Saiki already has shown that he can use his Telepathy, Psychometry on the readers themselves
    • He shows this 5D hax feats so many times
  • We also have an direct confirmation about how Saiki can gain abilities from the "readers" on fly

Canonity of the Novel

• The Readers show that the Manga and the Novel exists in the same continuity
• Saiki also shows that he knows the existence of the manga
• Most importantly, Nendo literally talks about a promise he did all the way in Volume 2 of the manga

Counter Arguments!

• "But we see that Saiki sees the novel as an actual novel in the manga so it means it isnt real?"

First of all Saiki breaks the fourth wall regurarly so him suddenly showing us the novel does not mean the entire novel was actually two dimensional, plus by this logic this would make Saiki High Hyperversal

• "Saiki needed powers of his alternate version to create the distortion!"

Which is why its not one of his base stats and will be stated that he can only do it if he is given enough power

• "Why would Saiki gain five dimensional hax if R>F does not give HDE?"

Well right now R>F page states

"For example, if a character were to view an entire space-time continuum as fiction, they would be superior to such an extent that finite, or even basic infinite, differences in power cannot overcome their superiority. Thus, they would be treated as more than infinitely greater, such as in this case Low 1-C. The gap between the higher world and the lower world would be strictly one of quality, not quantity."

and

"Potential mediums for viewing a cosmology as fiction include: written media (Books or stories), images (Paintings, comics, or movies), data (Simulations or video games), or mental constructs (thoughts or dreams). All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority."

So unless the page will be changed this would give five dimensional hax, though if the page changes then I will agree and remove the 5D hax.

Final Additions

New Power Additions: Healing, Extrasensory Perception, Instinctive Action, Summoning, Transmutation/Sealing
Stats: Inf Stamina and 5-B Durability

I think Saiki would gain passive Plot Manipulation for being the "Protagonist" which would give him similar passive abilities with Mikami. Plus this is supported by how Saiki said his first manga before serialization along with the novel were his own doing and that he was the one who wrote them

The 5D would only affect Telepathy, Psychometry, Reactive Evolution and Plot Manipulation.

At the very least Sight Energy feats would be 2-A for affecting infinite universes rather than being Low 1-C because they come from the readers depending on how the standarts work for "power sources"

Agree: 6 (@Eseseso (Neutral on 5D), @edutyn, @Abscoolguy, @TWILIGHT-OP (Neutral on 5D), @Benimōru (On 2-A but Disagree on 5D), @Vzearr (Disagrees on Inf Stamina), @DarkGrath (Neutral on 5D), @Antvasima (With Dark Grath), @Duedate8898 (Possibly 5D))

Disagree: 2 (@Georredannea15 (On 5D), @DontTalkDT (On 5D))

 

[Eseseso]

Neutral on 5-D/Low 1-C.

Rest looks solid, though. Good work!

 

[ShionAH]

Neutral on 5-D/Low 1-C.

Rest looks solid, though. Good work!

Thank you!

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Damn, gotta read em'all,

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Healing (He was able to heal Nendo's amnesia)

Would that really be healing ?

Telepathy (1 Layer)

Remove (1layer ) and add Enhanced ( it will look good ig) your choice.

Infinite Stamina (He stated that if he removed his limiters they would start to teleport and fight for eternity)

Don't really think that's infinite stamina, just a loop.

Saiki should have 5-B durability

The feat doesn't demonstrates 5-B durability tho.

Metafictional Stuff

This will take more time, but I think, u already proposed these stuff in other crt ?

"But we see that Saiki sees the novel as an actual novel in the manga so it means it isnt real?"

Filler? Or canon?

So unless the page will be changed this would give five dimensional hax, though if the page changes then I will agree and remove the 5D hax.

For some reason I can feel u pain here, when u wrote this .

 

[ShionAH]

Would that really be healing ?

I mean. Why not? I am kinda confused what you think doesnt make sense here

Remove (1layer ) and add Enhanced ( it will look good ig) your choice.

Layer is way more different than Enhanced stuff.

Enhanced just means its stronger, layers mean they can negate resistance with their sheer hax power

Don't really think that's infinite stamina, just a loop.

If someone can fight for eternity thats kind of Inf stamina

The feat doesn't demonstrates 5-B durability tho.

The other saiki who hit him didnt have his limiters on.

Without limiters Saiki is 5-B.

This will take more time, but I think, u already proposed these stuff in other crt ?

No

Filler? Or canon?

What?

 

[Edutyn]

I agree

And I would like to add some abilities like:

With Limiters:​

Immortality (Type 7) (Similar to other versions of him, Saiki is able to return as a ghost even once dead. As a ghost it obtains Type 1 and 3 since once dead time does not pass and it can regenerate from extremely small pieces and like a gas cloud)

Power Nullification (3 Layers): (Even though Alt was similar to OG Kusuo, he resisted Kusuke's 2 limiters, which sought to eliminate his powers. OG Kusuo could cancel the telekinesis of his alternate version and prevent his alternate version from teleporting)

Resistance:

Limited Power Nullification (2 Layers) (Although some of his powers had disappeared when he put on his limiters, he did not lose all his powers. Even after putting on the device that would eliminate his powers, they ended up returning)

Cosmic Radiation and Extreme Cold (Saiki has been in space many times and has not suffered any effects from radiation or cold)

Damaged Limiter:​

Probability Manipulation: (Saiki has the ability to make something always hit Kaido)

Without Limiters:​

Subjective Reality: (One of the reasons Saiki put on his limiters was his mind control, which reached a point where anything Saiki imagined would come into existence)

 

[ShionAH]

I agree

And I would like to add some abilities like:

With Limiters:​

Immortality (Type 7) (Similar to other versions of him, Saiki is able to return as a ghost even once dead. As a ghost it obtains Type 1 and 3 since once dead time does not pass and it can regenerate from extremely small pieces and like a gas cloud)

So this only adds Type 7 to his soul? Sure.

Cosmic Radiation and Extreme Cold (Saiki has been in space many times and has not suffered any effects from radiation or cold)

This is already on the profile

 

[Edutyn]

So this only adds Type 7 to his soul? Sure.

What about the rest?

This is already on the profile

Only Cosmic Radiation is on the profile

 

[ShionAH]

What about the rest?

Seems okayish.

Only Cosmic Radiation is on the profile

Ooh

I added the abilities to the OP.

 

[Benimōru]

• Saiki's all have Psy energy which is supposed to be the core of their powers
• With enough energy Psy can make a distortion equal to one made by Sight Energy which would make it so Psy Energy at its peak can rival five dimensional power sources
• Saiki already has shown that he can use his Telepathy, Psychometry on the readers themselves
  • He shows this 5D hax feats so many times
• We also have an direct confirmation about how Saiki can gain abilities from the "readers" on fly

I thought we went over this. These energies are no longer considered as 5-D. And what you are saying is exactly the same old rejected arguments, nothing extra.

So, yeah count me as disagree for 5-D stuff.

 

[ShionAH]

I thought we went over this. These energies are no longer considered as 5-D.

This argument is literally “This was downgraded so you cannot upgrade it” tf?

And what you are saying is exactly the same old rejected arguments, nothing extra.

Blatant lying.

Sight Energy is 5D. It comes from the "readers" mind

• The "Readers" are always depicted as people who read and see the entire universe as a two dimensional paper, a manga, a novel, and as simple two dimensional text

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

This argument is literally “This was downgraded so you cannot upgrade it” tf?

There isn't but u ignoring the rule

° When creating content revisions, it is essential to ensure that the topic has not been addressed previously. Rejected content revisions cannot be resubmitted within a short period of time (typically defined as within 3 to 4 months), except in cases where a staff member has a good reason to do so

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

So technically u breaking the rule

 

[ShionAH]

There isn't but u ignoring the rule

So technically u breaking the rule

Are you blind? I literally showed why its not the same argument. None of these feats were shown in that CRT.

Sight Energy is 5D. It comes from the "readers" mind

• The "Readers" are always depicted as people who read and see the entire universe as a two dimensional paper, a manga, a novel, and as simple two dimensional text

I am gonna ask this to not be derailed and also kindly ask @Benimōru to not ignore these extra context.

 

[Edutyn]

• For his ghost. Immortality (Type 1 and 7) (Similar to other versions of him, Saiki is able to return as a ghost even after death)

You forgot Type 3, since it should be comparable to other ghosts that can regenerate from this

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Are you blind? I literally showed why its not the same argument.

Well i was giving u the information, i am not saying u can argue with new stuff that wasn't shown previously, but idk but I think u already mentioned sight energy somewhere else too and it still got rejected.

 

[Benimōru]

This argument is literally “This was downgraded so you cannot upgrade it” tf?

If you re-present something that was rejected in the "same" way, then yes.

Blatant lying.

1. You used the first scan in the previous thread.

2. Second scan is not working.

3. For the third and fourth scans: In this kind of case, Sight Energy will not be 5-D again without extra context. The only thing about the Readers is that they're called "readers". There is nothing else about their powers, the statement you mentioned is all about their existence, not their powers. And people who are knowledgeable in Tier 1; DT, Pein, etc. have also confirmed that this cannot grant you 5-D hax and AP.

 

[ShionAH]

Well i was giving u the information, i am not saying u can argue with new stuff that wasn't shown previously, but idk but I think u already mentioned sight energy somewhere else too and it still got rejected.

Tf you mean? Sight Energy is the main thing yes but I added two more scans. If you do not know the context I suggest you stop lol

If you re-present something that was rejected in the "same" way, then yes.

Thankfully that did not happen. You are literally contradicting yourself here by talking about the third and fourth scans.

1. You used the first scan in the previous thread.

I used it sure, was it on the OP? No.

2. Second scan is not working.

Works for me.

3. For the third and fourth scans: In this kind of case, Sight Energy will not be 5-D again without extra context. The only thing about the Readers is that they're called "readers".

You are again ignoring how they see the universe as a novel/manga, see it as simple text and implied to see it like two dimensional drawings.

If you keep ignoring these and say “our only context is that they are readers” YOU will be the one breaking the debate rules.

There is nothing else about their powers, the statement you mentioned is all about their existence, not their powers. And people who are knowledgeable in Tier 1; DT, Pein, etc. have also confirmed that this cannot grant you 5-D hax and AP.

And thats all that matters! Their existence is 5D! Which automatically also gives them 5D AP because of R>F.

Kusuo can affect 5D beings = 5D hax.

Simple as that.

 

[Benimōru]

Kusuo can affect 5D beings = 5D hax.

Beings are not 5-D.

Simply viewing 3-dimensional objects, entities, or constructs as fiction does not qualify them as Higher-Dimensional, as they are still portrayed as regular 3-dimensional beings.

And no. I have repeated this more times than I can count. You can't use statements out of context and give them higher dimensional existence, hax and AP at the same time.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Why don't u guys wait for mods,

 

[ShionAH]

Beings are not 5-D.

the statement you mentioned is all about their existence, not their powers.

Seeing a 4D universe and multiverse as simple stories on a two dimensional manga should be 5D.

I dont see what else it can be.

 

[Benimōru]

Why don't u guys wait for mods,

Fair for me

 

[Benimōru]

Seeing a 4D universe and multiverse as simple stories on a two dimensional manga should be 5D.

DT responded to this in the previous revision as well.

If the canon Saiki in any way interacts with the novel, then it wouldn't be R>F transcendence, but Immersion or something, as he interacts with a world that is fiction from his universe's main world of regular humans (See Reality Equalization).

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Seeing a 4D universe and multiverse as simple stories on a two dimensional manga should be 5D.

Yk there is literally countless saiki kusuo in that manga pannel where saiki holding his own manga, so that means 1B saiki ? Damn , cuz each saiki holding his own manga and the loops goes on.

Idk what tf am I saying at this point
Anyways peace out, waiting for mods.

 

[Edutyn]

I will look for more abilities for Saiki, wish me luck.

 

[ShionAH]

DT responded to this in the previous revision as well.

Which I responded above… in the CRT…

• "But we see that Saiki sees the novel as an actual novel in the manga so it means it isnt real?"

First of all Saiki breaks the fourth wall regurarly so him suddenly showing us the novel does not mean the entire novel was actually two dimensional, plus by this logic this would make Saiki High Hyperversal so it cannot be used to counter this.

 

[ShionAH]

Yk there is literally countless saiki kusuo in that manga pannel where saiki holding his own manga, so that means 1B saiki ? Damn , cuz each saiki holding his own manga and the loops goes on.

It does but its likely a scretch and a gag feat. But it does destroy that one counter argument for it made by DT

 

[Benimōru]

Which I responded above… in the CRT…

And it doesn't mean anything.

The fact that he can still interact with that manga just makes it immersion. Not R>F

You just think you are right by presenting the scan you used before back to DT, that's all.

 

[ShionAH]

And it doesn't mean anything.

The fact that he can still interact with that manga just makes it immersion. Not R>F

Him interacting with the manga is not a feat that gives 5D. The implication that Readers also see it that way is why it supports R>F. Plus like I said its not immersion its just an gag for Kusuo but its an feat for the readers.

 

[Benimōru]

Plus like I said its not immersion its just an gag for Kusuo but its an feat for the readers.

Hmm, it's a gag and a feat at the same time...

Nice contradiction. Anyway, I will not deal with this ignorance any longer. I still have a long text to write for the Ben 10 revision. I'm just gonna let the staff decide

 

[ShionAH]

It's a gag and a feat at the same time.

Nice contradiction

its just an gag for Kusuo but its an feat for the readers.

I am so done with your shit.

 

[ShionAH]

You proved my point about not reading, yet you called ME ignorant. Very hypocrite like behavior...I am gonna completely ignore you now and wait for people who genuinly want to discuss this. or people who can read and understand english sentences unlike you…

 

[Edutyn]

Yk there is literally countless saiki kusuo in that manga pannel where saiki holding his own manga, so that means 1B saiki ? Damn , cuz each saiki holding his own manga and the loops goes on.

And with this, Low 1-A

 

[Edutyn]

I still have a long text to write for the Ben 10 revision.

Good Luck

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

And with this, Low 1-A

Just a 3D movie ong

 

[ShionAH]

Dont derail.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Dont derail.

That's why I removed already, @edutyn plz delete that post of urs

 

[Shadow-Ragna]

By the way Shion what LN is it where Saiki's main character spot light was taken?

I wanna read it before knowing the conversation.

 

[Georredannea15]

The arguments for 5-D, which were already rejected and downgraded by DT in the previous thread, are still the same and I strongly disagree, no. You're still misinterpreting the scans