Kai (Ninjago) vs Grand Kai (DB Toei) [7-1-0] (GRACE ENDED)

[Lloydblitzed]

Kai vs Grand Kai, who will win?

Rules:
Staff of Elements key is used for Kai (Ninjago)
Grand Kai maintains his Star level+ ranking
Speed is equalized
Fight takes place a empty city
Starting distance: 10 m
SBA for the rest

Kai: @LifeRiderthe1 @RenderGK @TheOrangeGuy09 @EL_xWatcher1234x @LuffyRuffy46307 @TheReal7Cris @Lloydblitzed
Grand Kai: @Greatsage13th
Inconclusive/Idk:

 

[RenderGK]

bump

 

[LifeRiderthe1]

bump

 

[LifeRiderthe1]

wait does buddy only have resistance to cold? "Resistance to Cold, and Radiations" if thats the case can't kai just fire him to death? he can't resist fire according to the profile

 

[LifeRiderthe1]

wait does buddy only have resistance to cold? "Resistance to Cold, and Radiations" if thats the case can't kai just fire him to death? he can't resist fire according to the profile

if thats the case kai wins cause no resistance to most the elements the staff gives

 

[Lloydblitzed]

wait does buddy only have resistance to cold? "Resistance to Cold, and Radiations" if thats the case can't kai just fire him to death? he can't resist fire according to the profile

Ye true

 

[Greatsage13th]

Somebody forgotten to replace chi manipulation with ki manipulation in Grand Kai's profile.

What prevents him from using something like Kiai to nullify Kai's attacks?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Somebody forgotten to replace chi manipulation with ki manipulation in Grand Kai's profile.

What prevents him from using something like Kiai to nullify Kai's attacks?

He may be able to nullify blasts from Kai which can cause some trouble, but the Fire Ninja has power mimicry allowing him to copy any powers he wants as soon as he touch his opponent. He also has power absorption

 

[Greatsage13th]

He may be able to nullify blasts from Kai which can cause some trouble, but the Fire Ninja has power mimicry allowing him to copy any powers he wants as soon as he touch his opponent.

That's if he could touch the Grand Kai to begin with.

He also has power absorption

Does it absorb shockwaves from a punch?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Does it absorb shockwaves from a punch?

No, he just aim it at the victim and absorb his power

 

[Greatsage13th]

No, he just aim it at the victim and absorb his power

Doesn't it only absorbs elemental powers?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Doesn't it only absorbs elemental powers?

I specifically added SBA for a reason

Also, Kai can use his Mind hax to causes headaches to Grand and weaken him so he can blast him more easly

 

[Greatsage13th]

I specifically added SBA for a reason

Also, Kai can use his Mind hax to causes headaches to Grand and weaken him so he can blast him more easly

Kai can also passively intimidate Kai at the start due to being far more powerful than him. Allowing Kai to knock him out in that split second of intimidation.

 

[RenderGK]

Voting Kai FRA

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Two Kais fightning will be a fire battle
Either way vote for Ninjago Kai via outhaxing, although KI manipulation will cover most of it, but things like Durability Negation, Speed Boost, Power Absorption and Power Mimicry would carry

 

[Greatsage13th]

Two Kais fightning will be a fire battle
Either way vote for Ninjago Kai via outhaxing, although KI manipulation will cover most of it, but things like Durability Negation, Speed Boost, Power Absorption and Power Mimicry would carry

Wouldn't the haxes remain untouched if he feels overwhelmed due to the social influencing part of Ki manipulation that intimidates opponents far weaker than them?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Wouldn't the haxes remain untouched if he feels overwhelmed due to the social influencing part of Ki manipulation that intimidates opponents far weaker than them?

Kai still have a heavy Mind Hax advantage against Grand Kai tho, and he could probably use his speed boost to help him out

 

[Greatsage13th]

Kai still have a heavy Mind Hax advantage against Grand Kai tho, and he could probably use his speed boost to help him out

difference is that Grand Kai's intimidation debuff is passive. whereas Kai requires an action to use it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Wouldn't the haxes remain untouched if he feels overwhelmed due to the social influencing part of Ki manipulation that intimidates opponents far weaker than them?

Stuff would corrupt him quite quickly then so I don’t think it is going to be the case. Also how “weaker” should one be for KI to intimidate?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Stuff would corrupt him quite quickly then so I don’t think it is going to be the case. Also how “weaker” should one be for KI to intimidate?

1 point something is the absolute minimum required to leave one standing for quite a while in cold sweat just like Piccolo and Shin's first encounter with one another.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

1 point something is the absolute minimum required to leave one standing for quite a while in cold sweat just like Piccolo and Shin's first encounter with one another.

The staff constanly corrupts him and makes him bloodlusted, making this ability pretty useless

 

[Greatsage13th]

The staff constanly corrupts him and makes him bloodlusted, making this ability pretty useless

Really? It'd still affect him regardless even if he is bloodlusted. How does corrupting oneself make one immune to intimidation.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Voting Ninja for now

 

[Greatsage13th]

Voting Grand Kai

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Really? It'd still affect him regardless even if he is bloodlusted. How does corrupting oneself make one immune to intimidation.

Because the effects of bloodlust will continusly kicks in to corrupt Kai, cancelling off the intimidation powers. And how is Kai "far weaker" then Grand Kai for intimidation to work on him at all

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Really? It'd still affect him regardless even if he is bloodlusted. How does corrupting oneself make one immune to intimidation.

Isn’t Intimidation Mind Manipulation?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Isn’t Intimidation Mind Manipulation?

If so, Kai is immune to it, so it ain't gonna work

 

[Greatsage13th]

Isn’t Intimidation Mind Manipulation?

Social influencing.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Because the effects of bloodlust will continusly kicks in to corrupt Kai, cancelling off the intimidation powers. And how is Kai "far weaker" then Grand Kai for intimidation to work on him at all

Star level vs Star level+. That in dragon ball is equivalent to being stun locked for over a minute by merely feeling a massive power difference. Like Cell after amping himself far beyond Piccolo after absorbing Kami he was left gobsmacked. A benefit of Ki manipulation.

Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Star level vs Star level+. That in dragon ball is equivalent to being stun locked for over a minute by merely feeling a massive power difference. Like Cell after amping himself far beyond Piccolo after absorbing Kami he was left gobsmacked. A benefit of Ki manipulation.

Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed.

Even if he paralyze Kai, what is he going to do once Kai use his Gravity Manipulation (which is thought based) and make him move however he wants to? He can simply use it, make him touch Kai, amps himself up and later outhax him or absorb all of his powers

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed.

"Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence"
Yet Kai does not have Enhanced Senses, so he won't be able to feel the power of his aura

 

[Greatsage13th]

Even if he paralyze Kai, what is he going to do once Kai use his Gravity Manipulation (which is thought based) and make him move however he wants to? He can simply use it, make him touch Kai, amps himself up and later outhax him or absorb all of his powers

Gravity manipulation isn't even that big of a deal when over half of the characters are capable of shrugging it as if it were just a Sunday stroll. Besides that Kiai is also thought based and would knock Kai out in a pinch.

 

[Greatsage13th]

"Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence"
Yet Kai does not have Enhanced Senses, so he won't be able to feel the power of his aura

Enhanced Senses are for the physical stuff, Extrasensory Perception on the other hand is what allows user to feel the non-physicals to begin with it which is on Kai's profile.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Gravity manipulation isn't even that big of a deal when over half of the characters are capable of shrugging it as if it were just a Sunday stroll. Besides that Kiai is also thought based and would knock Kai out in a pinch.

He can't sense his aura, he can't get affect at all
And Grand Kai got 0 resistances to Gravity Manip, same for Mind hax. Also, Kai can simply teleport away using the Shadow Element, and Mind hax him from afar, as he got planetary range with Mind hax

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Enhanced Senses are for the physical stuff, Extrasensory Perception on the other hand is what allows user to feel the non-physicals to begin with it which is on Kai's profile.

Kai's Extrasensory Perception is based on Enhanced Sigh, not Power Reading, so no, its not gonna work

 

[Greatsage13th]

He can't sense his aura, he can't get affect at all
And Grand Kai got 0 resistances to Gravity Manip, same for Mind hax.

The strength of Gravity Manipulation is dependant on one's lifting strength and when anyone sees a Superhuman LS up against Class P LS. It's clear that Gravity Manipulation ain't doing jack.

Also, Kai can simply teleport away using the Shadow Element, and Mind hax him from afar, as he got planetary range with Mind hax

That's never in-character with him to begin with.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Kai's Extrasensory Perception is based on Enhanced Sigh, not Power Reading, so no, its not gonna work

Vegeta couldn't even detect the power of someone without the use of a scouter back in the Saiyan Saga yet he was intimidated when Goku used Kaioken x 3 when he didn't even have the scouter on.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Star level vs Star level+. That in dragon ball is equivalent to being stun locked for over a minute by merely feeling a massive power difference. Like Cell after amping himself far beyond Piccolo after absorbing Kami he was left gobsmacked. A benefit of Ki manipulation.

Social Influencing: Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras, bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing an sensation of being crushed and paralyzed.

First of all I have no idea how that is Social Influencing to be honest, if it works the way you describe (those who are weaker will automatically fear and get paralyzed). It is more of Passive Fear Aura, Mind Manipulation, Passive Paralysis Inducement/Status Effect Inducement, etc.

But from what I read, it says "can sense their presence through the power of their auras…” which I assume is why it is Social Influencing, because the person should sense their presence by extraordinary means (just like KI users do to each other). Well, the problem is. Ninjago Kai has nothing like that to begin with.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Vegeta couldn't even detect the power of someone without the use of a scouter back in the Saiyan Saga yet he was intimidated when Goku used Kaioken x 3 when he didn't even have the scouter on.

Then it is Passive Fear Inducement/Mind Manipulation/Status Effect Inducement/Paralysis Inducement. Also why that detail is missed on the profile/page then? It is VERY important in versus match-ups.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Vegeta couldn't even detect the power of someone without the use of a scouter back in the Saiyan Saga yet he was intimidated when Goku used Kaioken x 3 when he didn't even have the scouter on.

Kai can't sense his aura at all, making this hax useless.
Vegeta's scouter is used to mesure power levels, that doesn't mean he can't detect the power of someone/his aura without it