Jason Voorhees vs The Demogorgon

[VersusJunkie54]

Canon compoistie Jason vs . The Demogorgon.

Speed equal. Both in character.

Victory by KO, Death, or Incap

Who wins and why?

Demogorgon 0

Jason 0

Inconclusive 0

 

[VersusJunkie54]

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[VersusJunkie54]

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[Derpyrebound]

Since the Demogorgon has the ability to retreat into the Upside Down to recover a bit. Its skin is practically impervious to a baseball bat that has nails hammered into it, resistant to bear traps, and being torched is the only way to really get the thing to leave for a period of time, and thinks of punches being as annoying as a fly landing on someone, the durability goes to the Demogorgon because of Jason's choice of weapon being a machete. The only canonical way of killing the Demogorgon is Eleven using her biokinesis-psychokinetic powers on it.

As for strength, they are pretty much matched as they are both Wall Class, this will only make this into a battle of who can last longer through stamina, durability, etc.

Also, I do not think Jason will ever gain control of the Demogorgon. The Demogorgon is controlled by the Mind Flayer, which spreads akin to a virus from wounds in space time that lead to the Upside Down. If the Demogorgon were to make a portal into the Upside Down that could last long enough for the Mind Flayer to have some influence, it would control Jason over time by spreading its infection to him. The Mind Flayer's version of mind control is pretty much a hive mind extra-dimensional virus. I do not see any form of dimensional resistance on Jason's profile (so feel free to point it out if I missed it), so mind control is a possibility if the Demogorgon calls for help from the brain of the hive.

So in the end, Jason is the Demogorgon's next meal in my perspective.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

I'd say inconclusive

Jason's Regenerationn makes him extremely difficult to put down, he's regenerated from having massive chunks and limbs blown off his body in seconds, and his tolerance for pain makes him nigh impossible to slow down

However, the Demogorgan's own regen is impressive, and though it is less potent than Jason's, he can escape into the Upside Down to heal if he needs (though the portal creation process does appear to take some time)

Their durability and AP appear to be even, though Jason can amp himself via rage, so he could potentially gain an edge.

Experience is tough to call. The Demogorgan has presumably been hunting around the Upside Down for awhile, and has taken down an entire group of trained government agents all by itself. Jason, however, has solo'd groups of trained soldiers and mercenaries who had knowledge on him, outsmarted a small team of government agents, fought Freddy Kreuger and Leatherface to a standstill, and even taken on Ash Williams and a group of horror movie survivors. So I'd say Jason takes it in combat experience and for fighting opponents equal to or greater than himself.

Intelligence goes to Jason easily. He already smart enough to set up traps for groups of people, and with his intelligence boost he gets from Freddy, he was easily able to recognize, understand and counter a trap set up for him by government agents. The Demogorgon is animalistic in mindset, and easily fell for a trap set up for it by Nancy and Jonathan.

Their abilities kinda counter each other.

Demogorgons. His electricity manipulation is useless for combat, and I don't remember it using telekinesis in battle (it only used it to open a lock iirc). Portal Creation is useful for escape, but it takes time to get going. However, his enhanced sense can probably counter Jason's stealth and illusions (Jason can only make himself appear as a little boy to my knowledge).

Jason has teleportation to easily gain an edge, and can use it to run away if he needs to (he is willing to run if his opponent outnumber or overpower him). Shift allows him to disappear from the area and quickly traverse it, making him completely undetectable.

Calling on the Mind Flayer is outside help, so that's a no go, and Jason has resistance to mind manipulation.

Don't think it's fair to compare a blow from a spiked bat from Steve (a normal human) to a blow/slash from Jason. Jason is blatantly superhuman, and has casually punched through steel and humans wearing body armor

However, Demogorgans ability to escape into the Upside Down and regen makes him hard to put down, and Jason's insane regen and teleportation make him hard to put down. So really it ends up with them beating the hell out of each other for days on end.

 

[Derpyrebound]

The Mind Flayer was there since day one in the Demogorgon. We have no idea what it is like without it. I am pretty sure it is part of the Demogorgon. Plus, the Demogorgon never called upon the Mind Flayer once in the series. The Mind Flayer called upon it and the adolecent Demogorgons. I only said that the Demogorgon could possibly spread the Mind Flayer's virus if Jason attempted to use his psionic powers on the Demogorgon, thus making Jason part of the hivemind. Big difference. Saying that Jason penetrating the Demogorgon's mind is calling upon the Mind Flayer is like some random person calling upon HIV, with it under his full control, when two people love each other so very much.

As for the telekinesis. The Demogorgon dragged away and mutliated a deer with said power. Plus, it takes more energy than what humans can produce to make an interdimensional portal. This means, that the Demogorgon has enough energy to potentially make a pretty devestating telekinetic attack if need be. From what we know through Eleven, the more energy used for psionic ablities, the bigger the feats. I am pretty sure the Demogorgon has enough mastery over its psionic powers to do some serious damages.

Yeah, this fight will put Dragon Ball Z to shame on how long it will last. I think it would take one hundred 48 minute episodes just for any sort of conclusion.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Still, Jason has mind manipulation resistance, and Demogorgan has never tried spreading the Mind Flayers influence. That's a major out of character move for him. So it's a non-factor

Demogorgan has never used its telekinesis in battle though. He's only used it on inanimate objects. It had numerous opportunities to tk someone, and yet didn't, and instead chose to charge it's victims. So Demogorgan pulling out tk in battle is again, a non-factor, as it doesn't use it in character.

Jason also got a durability bump to Building level+, so Demogorgan has no change of harming Jason now.

Also, necro thread

 

[Promestein]

That's just Uber Jason, though. The Building level+ Durability.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Doesn't the Canon Composite Jason cover any and all Jason abilities and feats?

 

[Derpyrebound]

Still, Jason has mind manipulation resistance, and Demogorgan has never tried spreading the Mind Flayers influence. That's a major out of character move for him. So it's a non-factor
Demogorgan has never used its telekinesis in battle though. He's only used it on inanimate objects. It had numerous opportunities to tk someone, and yet didn't, and instead chose to charge it's victims. So Demogorgan pulling out tk in battle is again, a non-factor, as it doesn't use it in character.

Jason also got a durability bump to Building level+, so Demogorgan has no change of harming Jason now.

Also, necro thread

And I never said it being intentional. Jason trying to take over the Demogorgon COULD possibly cause the virus form of the Mind Flayer to spread. That would be completely accidental and thus neither out of character or in character as Jason would be the one initiating it 100% and the Demogorgon not having to do anything period in regards of spreading it. It would be just an unfortunate event that happened by sheer coincidence.

We have seen that the Mind Flayer virus spreads at any opportunity to anything that has not been corrupted by it already (the tunnels under Hawkins and Will's mental deterioration being prime examples in terms of spreading between complex life-forms (plants and hijacked pumpkins), non-living molecular substances (the soil as it became inhospitable for humans to use for farming and going as far to making it actually react via flying away from fire in a lab when it is typically non-sentient), and individual cells (how the virus spread rapidly throughout Will's brain according to brain scans over the course of a week, causing personality changes in less than 24 hours) are all results of the virus spreading).

No, the Demogorgon did use it on a deer. A deer that was still ALIVE. One that it already harmed and it tried to escape. Johnathan was going to do a mercy kill on it when the Demogorgon found it and dragged it away. It would be in character for the Demogorgon to use telekinesis on Jason.

As for the necro thread rule, according to my search on the rules pages, I brought good arguments for the Demogorgon, thus necro is null and void. If you disagree, bring it up with a mod and let them handle it from there.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

That's true, but that's assuming that the Demogorgan forced Jason to use his heart hypnotism, which only happens when he is reduced to chunks or his regen is overwhelmed. Keep in mind that Jason has an extremely potent healing factor, and assuming he has his building level+ dura from Uber-Jason, the chances of Demogorgan rescuing Jason to a heart is low.

Again, that's the Mind Flayer's powers. Demogorgan has never called upping it in combat, and it would technically count as outside help.

The deer was immobile and basically already dead. The most movement it ever performed was a few dying twitches. Deomogorgan has never used its tk in direct combat. It chooses to charge at its opponents and get up close. It had numerous opportunities to use its tk to attack his victims, but didn't. So to say it suddenly now use its telekinesis in combat is extremely out of character and unlikely.

Just saying that Jason has gotten several upgrades and changes to his profile since this match has been made.

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Honestly, Jason takes the vote for me, but in a very long fight. Not trying to break rules, but my rules state this would be a stomp in Jason's favor, but these rules state otherwise. Jason has the powers to put down the Demogorgon. His stealth, immortality, teleportation, and far more resistances by far. Also, he has better Regenerationn.

 

[Derpyrebound]

PTSOXMONKEY99:

How would Jason accidentally contracting a virus from trying to control the Demogorgon be outside help? From my knowledge, viruses are not called upon. The Demogorgon has never needed to call upon the Mind Flayer yet it is tainted by it through a hive mind. The Mind Flayer's hive mind is a virus in nature and it spreads to whatever it pleases and the only way for it to not to spread is for the Demogorgon not to be under the Mind Flayer's control.

And that leads to another problem, we have no idea what it is capable of outside of the Mind Flayer's control. It could be even smarter than we give it credit for. We only know that under the Mind Flayer's control, the Demogorgon acts the way we see in the show. If Will is anything to go by, the Demogorgon is unable to form new memories or access old ones as those two functions are supressed so that the Mind Flayer can have more effective control.

And going back to outside help, by your definition of the Mind Flayer virus, the Demogorgon as is, already has outside help. So by your logic, this thread cannot be argued over due to that limitation. The Demogorgon has always been under the control of the Mind Flayer since episode one and that makes this fight, by what you have said, invalid altogether.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

In order for Jason to become infected by the Mind Flayer, the Demogorgan would need to do to Jason what it did to Will and Barbra (when they were tied up and trapped in the Upside Down), which is not something that is gonna happen because a) it isn't an instantaneous process and needs time to occur, and it requires that the Demogorgan overpower and pin down Jason, which isn't happening for a plethora or reasons and b) as we saw with Will, the larva thing can be physically removed, and we have no idea what effect it will have on Jason's mystically undead corpse of a body

The Demogorgan, even under the Mind Flayer's orders, was animalistic and simple minded at best, which is leagues below what Jason has down, even without Freddy's intelligence boost

The Demogorgan can still act and fight on its own. The Mind Flayer let the Demogorgan go out and gather victims under its command, but it never once interfered in any of its battles. It literally let it fall into a trap and die, even though we know it can view events from the Upside Down. The virus that infected the town was literally just the Mind Flayer, the Demogogs were just the guardians of the tunnels to make sure no one interfered.

 

[Derpyrebound]

I still believe that there is more to the Demogorgon outside of the possession. When Will was nearing 100% possessed, he was almost completely silent outside of screaming "HE'S LYING!" under the Mind Flayer's orders and the few moments where he was able to by pass commands and use his fist to knock morse code. Outside of that he was just sitting there as a spy camera and freaking out to anything hot or whenever any of the vines got burnt. Until the Mind Flayer's virus fled his body, Will, close to 100% possession, was incapable of doing things he could do fine on his own before like starting and maintaining a conversation. That tells me it is the Mind Flayer who has the limited intelligence, not the Demogorgon.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

We also know that the Demodogs can develop their own relationships (i.e. Dart and Dustin), but its really too hard too tell just how they function and think atm

 

[Derpyrebound]

That's what I am thinking now. We don't know how much of the Demogorgon's actions were its own and how they would function on their own. Maybe we should wait for more of that 32 page manuscript of the Upside Down and its inhabitants to make it into the show before we can make more accurate assumptions about the Demogorgon when it has no Mind Flayer virus inside it. Right now, we are very much in the dark about the Demogorgon... I blame the Duffer Brothers. Those guys know how to make us fight over the details and theories.

As for telekinesis, I am mostly going into hypothetical territory based on the fact it requires more energy than the Earth produced in 1983 to create a portal, and the Demogorgon created dozens after the initial one was made by Eleven. Also, these battles tend out be all out and use whatever is in the bag from my experience. I assumed all powers were fair game and used a form of dimensional analysis. It went like this in my head:

If this much energy is used in opening a portal, how powerful would this make telekinesis? Would it hypothetically be enough to crush a coke can? Flip a van? Would I be able to crush this many brains at once?

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Still, we only have its current showings to go off of, and its displayed intelligence doesn't stack up compared Jason

Again, it doesn't use TK on enemies in character. Even when Eleven was telekinetically ripping it apart, it didn't use it telekinetic power to defend itself and tried to muscle its way out.

Also, Jason has mid level Regenerationn, so he can probably survive having his brains damaged.

 

[Derpyrebound]

But the Demogorgon did use its powers on her while she ripped it apart. Just which ones is not clear as the result of trying was sending her to the Upside Down with no trace of a temporary Gate. And there was no explaination at this time due to the kids not knowing much. We learn what the kids learn. Plus, there was a white light from inside the Demogorgon that spread to Eleven.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

We've still never seen it use its tk on enemies the same way El has. When it was pinned to the wall, it only tried to break out with physical strength. All it ever did was chase down its enemies and overpower them physically. The white light came from Eleven ripping it apart.

 

[Derpyrebound]

Still, the moment was not very clear. And we never really saw the Demogorgon on screen long enough to see everything prior to the season final as it stuck to the shadows.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

But we have to use what we have, and from what we do have, it doesn't us telekinesis in character.

I still say inconclusive. Both have means of surviving attacks and Regenerationn, and can escape the battlefield should they feel like it

 

[Derpyrebound]

Yeah, I will settle on inconclusive as well. Not enough information to make accurate guesses and what we have being unclear.

I want to see more of the manuscript right now. I hope they release the whole thing after the show is completed. We would get so much from it.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

I heard its gonna be awhile due to some stuff going on with the actors

 

[Derpyrebound]

I know. Puberty and other shows. Season 3 is going to be partly about them going through puberty as they deal with a suspicious mayor from the articles I have been reading. No mention of the Upside Down's inhabitants really so far. I will hazard we will get more information as the creators do want to give us more content. And then there are theories going around Hopper will contract an illness from being sprayed by an Upside Down flower's spores.

Just hopefully all of this gives us more clues on the Demogorgons as a whole species. They are so mysterious and their "brain" (Mind Flayer) is even more so. Maybe then we can restart this thread. For now, I think this thread should be locked and the Demogorgon vs Jason be listed as an inconclusive battle. Too little information and no else has joined in to give their two cents. It's only really been the two of us.

Results:

Demogorgon - 0

Jason - 1

Inconclusive - 2